What's it like to take a road trip in a truck like the Terra (F-150 Lightning)?

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Ok, I will bite. I agree that BMW maintenance costs increase as they age. But, I compare BMWs to airplanes. They will last a very long time with meticulous, planned and preventative maintenance. No, they are not Corollas and are not intended to be.
Good Comparison.

The family car, the MINI Countryman 2019. I guess it developed a small oil leak in the turbo, but since it's a very well-maintained car, BMW actually said don't worry about it since its operating at factory spec, and that next maintained they will be replacing it. So, it will stop losing a quart of oil every 800 miles. Which we were told should be consuming a drop of oil, because it's being serviced eveyr 6k miles.
 
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Wow.

2mpg is bad. Like, almost not believably low.

I can’t recall hearing anything with near that bad of mpg coming out in ages.

Does your buddy have an incredible lead foot? Or like… tow uphill, everywhere?
He uses a pedal commander. And an onboard tuning system that RAM installed on it. the truck is wild.
 
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I haven’t tracked every fill-up for gas in a long, long time, and I’ve stopped paying attention to the cost of gas, so I can only estimate. I estimate that we’ve done about 50% road trips and 50% local driving, but I’m not certain of that—I’d have to go back through my logs. This is not perfectly specific to my experience, but your local cost of electricity, cost of gas, etc., will have an impact on whether you see similar results.
The tl;dr is that we have saved around $10k in fuel costs since going EV in early 2022.

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Lightning miles: 23,686 miles
Mustang: 52,709 miles

The Lightning replaced a Tacoma. I was getting 16 mpg on the freeway and 12 around town, about 14 mpg combined. I got 8 mpg when I towed, but I won’t count that even though many of the miles we had driven in the Tacoma were towing a travel trailer—we sold that before we bought the Lightning.
We would have purchased something like a Rav4 if we didn’t get the Mustang. Let’s use the Rav4’s combined mpg from the EPA: 30 mpg. I don’t believe we would get anywhere near that, but I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt.

Tacoma: 23,686 miles / 14 mpg = 1691 gallons.
Rav4: 52,709 miles / 30 mpg = 1757 gallons.

Local average cost of gas over the past years (estimated): $3.50
Road trip average cost of gas (estimated, but most of our road trips were in CA where prices along the highways can easily top $6.00/gal): $5.00
Average cost of gas (assuming we did 50% road trips and 50% local driving): $4.25/gal.

Cost to drive the Tacoma would have been: 1691 gallons * $4.25/gal = $7,186.75
Cost to drive the Rav4 would have been: 1757 gallons * $4.25/gal = $7,467.25
Total to drive ICE vehicles since early 2022 would have been: $14,654.00

Our average efficiency in the Lightning is 2.3 miles/kWh.
Our average efficiency in the Mustang is 4.1 miles/kWh.
Lightning: 23,686 miles / 2.3 miles/kWh = 10,298 kWh
Mustang: 52,709 miles / 4.1 miles/kWh = 12,856 kWh

Until this year, we were paying $0.32/kWh for DCFC. The last several road trips were at the higher prices of about $0.60/kWh. But not all of them were at that price. We get lower prices at EA and we prefer EA. But let’s say the past year or so (20%) of road trips have been at $0.60/kWh, which is higher than reality, but that’s okay. The total energy use for higher-cost road trips was about 2,315 kWh. At $0.60/kWh, that’s $1389.24

The rest of our road trip miles were at the $0.32/kWh or less (these have been free: hotels, friends and family giving us “free charge,” RV parks and campgrounds, and a tiny bit of solar during boondocking). Let’s just use $0.32/kWh for simplicity. That’s about 9262 kWh at $0.32/kWh = $2963.71.

Locally, we charge our EVs at home at a price of $0.035/kWh. That's 11,577 kWh * $0.035/kWh = $405.20

Total electricity cost: $1389.24 + $2963.71 + $405.20 = $4758.15

Since going EV, we’ve saved $9895.85 in fuel costs. More to be sure, because I’m not discounting our road trip costs by the “free” or lower cost charging at hotels, RV parks, campgrounds, or friends’ or family's homes.

Let’s say the next 75,000 miles will also be about 50% road trips and 50% local, but that the price of DCFC is all the way up to $0.60/kWh. And let’s say we get the same average efficiency.
DCFC: 11577 kWh * $0.60/kWh = $6946.20
Local: 11577 kWh * $0.035/kWh = $405.20
Total: $7,351.40

That’s still only half the cost of gas.

Even if all the charging was done on DCFC, the cost of charging would be less than our cost of fuel:
$0.60/kWh * 23,154 kWh = $13892.40

And I’m not counting the time saved every week we used to spend to go refuel. I’m not counting the convenience of always having a “full” or nearly full tank every morning.

I’m not counting the cost of maintenance. We’ve paid a total of about $350-$400 for maintenance on the EVs, and that includes me buying a software subscription to do some updating for things I wanted to have that wouldn’t be considered part of regular maintenance. The local Toyota dealer was charging me $200-$500 per maintenance visit every six months. I didn’t have time or desire to do my own maintenance, so I would have continued to pay that. With two ICE vehicles, we were paying at least $800/year in maintenance and more when it was a major maintenance event; we would have had several with the miles we’ve put on the EVs.
Thanks for this information! That's amazing!
 
Looks like the town of Vulcan, Alberta won’t be too far out of your way. Never been there, but saw it on the Canadian series “still standing” : https://www.vulcantourism.com/
I added Vulcan to our list of destinations.

We’ve cut out some of eastern Alberta and all of Saskatchewan and will likely head to Billings, MT to visit with friends instead. Vulcan is on the drive from Calgary to Great Falls, so it’s perfect. It even has a charger at the Star Trek visitor center. It would be fun if they shaped it like a dilithium reaction chamber.
 
i do have to say as bad as my trucks MPG is. Its not as bad as my friend who has a TRX. He gets anywhere from 1.8-2.4MPG. Mind you it's a brand new truck. And my 50 year old truck has better MPG. But my Harvester will be a game changer!
That is bad mileage for a gas bus. That said, I have hit the 8's before - towing an RV with a gas F150. That sucked. But towing with a Scout is something I don't really think about. My F150 did a 1000 mile tow last year - probably averaged close to 14. Sure, that still sucks - but lot better than 8. I did get a lot better on the first 1000 miles of that trip w/o the trailer. But this is a Scout forum. I don't see myself driving 1/2 way across the US to pick up a trailer and towing it back with the Scout - especially when trying to do it in under 4 days (managed 3, it was not fun - would have been epic if I had a week though-it was rough driving past the exits for all my favorite beaches. Pensacola, Panama, Destin, Miami...). Nothing like getting stuck on a bridge at midnight for 3hrs - 10 miles from the hotel for the night (I forget the names, but past Gulf Port). That said, great Buckees trip - almost got all my gas from S. Central Texas to Miami at Buckees (at least on the way there, lower gas mileage made me deal with other places on the way back. Plus all those Buckees have Superchargers now.
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Looking forward to the first 1k+ road trip picking up the Scout - no trailer involved.
 
Yes the temperature outside and how it affects your range. Being here in Illinois that’s the one worry I have is losing range at cold temperature and not being able to heat the cabin because I’m worried about my range.

The weather is going to be raining and cold-ish, but not really cold (highs in the 40s).
It’ll be difficult to extract the difference between lower efficiency/range because of the rain vs lower efficiency because of the cold.
I’ll do my best.
 
Yes the temperature outside and how it affects your range. Being here in Illinois that’s the one worry I have is losing range at cold temperature and not being able to heat the cabin because I’m worried about my range.
Not a 1:1, but when I drove the EDVs for Amazon in the winter months, I would run the heater for the first half of the day, and if I got to 50% by lunch, I would lower the fans and max the seat and wheel heat. Those van had a 100% range around 150 miles, and the lowest SOC I ever returned with was 5% because I had to return up the interstate at 60MPH, max outside temperature that day was 14F, but I never feared the van would die on me, unlike the Ram Promasters.
 
Also, the Lightning uses a resistive cabin heater, which has a Coefficient of Performance of no better than 1.0.
The Scout will almost certainly use a heat pump for heating. It’ll have a coefficient of performance of 3.0 to 5.0.

For cold trips when you need to heat the cabin, the Scout will outperform the Lightning at least with respect to energy use heating the cabin.

When it’s very, very cold, that’s going to matter. When it’s above 20 F, it’s not going to make much difference, I don’t think.
 
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Not a 1:1, but when I drove the EDVs for Amazon in the winter months, I would run the heater for the first half of the day, and if I got to 50% by lunch, I would lower the fans and max the seat and wheel heat. Those van had a 100% range around 150 miles, and the lowest SOC I ever returned with was 5% because I had to return up the interstate at 60MPH, max outside temperature that day was 14F, but I never feared the van would die on me, unlike the Ram Promasters.
I'll add, this is the first year I've done a lot of miles in my own car in some time, and the first time in a BEV of my own. I started in the fall with my car averaging 5.0 efficiency (240~ miles from 80%). 3 weeks ago, we had our first cold snap from the 60s down to the 30s, and my efficiency dropped to 2.9 (190~), and last week we had a second snap down to the 10s, efficiency down to 2.7 (176~) My average milage in a day is around 150-200 so if I'm going to be out later I up my SOC to 85-90% getting back up to the 190s, for the majority of the day my car indicates green so slightly better range than estimated. My car doesn't have a heated wheel or seats, and not once have I worried about my car's climate. I keep it comfortable for me (72-74 F). However, last year I drove to meet family for Christmas, started with 80% SOC, 160 miles round trip, I forgot my charger at home, so I couldn't add any charge while I was there, and left too late from there to visit a DCFC before heading home. I drove home 5-10MPH under the limit, set my heat to 72, and made it home with 3% it was the only time I felt anything close to range anxiety, and that was less to do with my range and more that once you hit 10% in my car, it stops giving an estimate and just says "low", but the My Chevrolet app still gives range and % if it ever updates.
 
Going to take a ~2000 mile road trip soon.

Any data tracking requests?
I’m curious when you stop to charge and you take meal break do you look for a desired place or try local restaurant or do you just compromise on eating whatever is within walking distance. I don’t want to do road trips and eat McDonalds.
Oh-and BTW I stopped last night for a McDonald’s Coke and splurged on a large fry - haven’t eaten at a McDonalds in probably 2 or 3 years and was desperate . Fries are now $4.89 for a large fry and I swear the container is smaller and it wasn’t filled full. So that’s why I’m asking about meal stops.
 
I’m curious when you stop to charge and you take meal break do you look for a desired place or try local restaurant or do you just compromise on eating whatever is within walking distance. I don’t want to do road trips and eat McDonalds.
Oh-and BTW I stopped last night for a McDonald’s Coke and splurged on a large fry - haven’t eaten at a McDonalds in probably 2 or 3 years and was desperate . Fries are now $4.89 for a large fry and I swear the container is smaller and it wasn’t filled full. So that’s why I’m asking about meal stops.
The only thing I can eat at McDonald’s is the oatmeal. Even the fries have gluten in them.
 
I’m curious when you stop to charge and you take meal break do you look for a desired place or try local restaurant or do you just compromise on eating whatever is within walking distance. I don’t want to do road trips and eat McDonalds.
Oh-and BTW I stopped last night for a McDonald’s Coke and splurged on a large fry - haven’t eaten at a McDonalds in probably 2 or 3 years and was desperate . Fries are now $4.89 for a large fry and I swear the container is smaller and it wasn’t filled full. So that’s why I’m asking about meal stops.

I don’t think we’ve eaten at McDs in five or more years. When we’re looking for a place to eat, we do look for a good place, usually something not chain. I think one charging stop that we skip these days had a McD across the road, but there were many, many better restaurants near there—the charging station is overly busy, though, so we skip it now.

That said, if the situation dictates it, we might have to stop where we’d prefer not to. That hasn’t really happened yet, but I’m okay with the possibility…
 
I don’t think we’ve eaten at McDs in five or more years. When we’re looking for a place to eat, we do look for a good place, usually something not chain. I think one charging stop that we skip these days had a McD across the road, but there were many, many better restaurants near there—the charging station is overly busy, though, so we skip it now.

That said, if the situation dictates it, we might have to stop where we’d prefer not to. That hasn’t really happened yet, but I’m okay with the possibility…
Thanks for the share
 
Oh, I just remembered, there is a McDs at one of our semi-regular charging stops, but we don’t buy lunch there, we use the restroom and sometimes buy whatever it is that passes for a milkshake there. We also usually skip that charging stop now unless we can’t wait to use the restroom.
 
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