What is one feature you hope Scout will include that has not yet been shown?

[cyure]

Just as a general principle, I would say “don’t get distracted.” Make the basic platform as solid and high quality as possible, and let the aftermarket take care of accessories- that’s what’s going to happen, anyhow. To do this, you need an open design approach. I have a Grenadier - as long as you have a torx set and panel tools, you can do pretty much anything you want with it. You want to make sure the factory doesn’t get too hung up on customization to the point that it hurts production output. That’s one of the things Lynn Calder has acknowledged- so Ineos is trying to move to a couple of platforms (offroad and more the bougie horse crowd) and letting owners go from there.

There are a couple of essentials that I think you need to option from factory. One is auxiliary power and having pre-run hot ports. Don’t have to drill holes or set up a SwitchPro. I have 9 hot leads on my Grenadier - 4 on the roof, 2 in the engine bay, 2 inside, and 1 in back (high amp). That’s in addition to the 12v leads (one in front, one in back).

Second is diff locks - much better to have this OEM. That would be a big project for an owner, so you can option that with the “offroad package.” But please don’t make the offroad package too expensive - diff locks and sway bar disconnect, maybe different tire selection - but if you throw in all the goodies (eg air compressor etc), you’ll price people out of that option and they can’t work their way up to a full build.

Owner options from factory is fantastic. But be careful with it - if you go too far, you’ll jam up production and then quality will take a hit. It’s important to identify the foundation options that really need to be OEM - and then design it in a way that is easy to configure in the aftermarket.

Welcome to the community! I completely agree with that. Heck have an accessories shop on site so after your Scout is built it can go to the accessory shop and get things added before you pick up but it’s not the factory dealing with the fiddly things.

Now I have questions about your Grenadier experience. You are the first owner on here that I can think of. I really considered one. Test drove them twice and even printed the owners manual. I couldn’t get past the steering and gas mileage and my husband really didn’t like there was no gauge cluster. But oh how I love how they look. That hood that you can put the checker panels on and the ladder in the back! And don’t get me started on how much I love love those safari windows.

How long have you had yours and what has your owner experience been like? Are you replacing your Grenadier with a Scout or adding a Scout to your garage?

Welcome again!!

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Don’t know if shown Dual zone heated seats where you can select lumbar or seat separately or both. I can drive all day with lumbar on but not necessarily my butt.

I dunno, the first few minutes on my cold butt feels pretty nice.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Welcome to the community! I completely agree with that. Heck have an accessories shop on site so after your Scout is built it can go to the accessory shop and get things added before you pick up but it’s not the factory dealing with the fiddly things.

Now I have questions about your Grenadier experience. You are the first owner on here that I can think of. I really considered one. Test drove them twice and even printed the owners manual. I couldn’t get past the steering and gas mileage and my husband really didn’t like there was no gauge cluster. But oh how I love how they look. That hood that you can put the checker panels on and the ladder in the back! And don’t get me started on how much I love love those safari windows.

How long have you had yours and what has your owner experience been like? Are you replacing your Grenadier with a Scout or adding a Scout to your garage?

Welcome again!!

The Global Grenadier forum is talking a lot about the Scout - a lot of enthusiasm esp from US owners. That’s what actually got me interested in the Scout - I was completely ignoring it. We are clearly a community that has a fair amount of nostalgia and laments capability that has been REMOVED in the interest of volume sales. The relaunch of the Defender and Land Cruiser are 2 examples. I am one of the earlier US deliveries, had a chance to drive test series pre-production, had a chance to talk to the heads of marketing and R&D - so I am very familiar with what you guys are going through, right now.

To answer your questions, no, I don’t intend to replace my Grenadier. My Grenadier is a Nov’23 build and I picked it up Q1’24. I have about 28,000 miles on it. I put in a reservation for a Scout as an option for my wife. She’s a mountain girl from Montana, we like to ski, snowshoe, camp, etc. We WOULD have gone for the Ineos Fusilier, but they paused that project (EU restrictions on any combustion engine production - they were going to have a range extender option identical to the Scout). The Scout is more similar to the Fusilier - like kind of splitting the difference between the new Honda Passport and the Grenadier, but on an EV platform. In terms of the steering, the Grenadier is “dreamy offroad” - it’s more about trail work than Baja racing, and for that, you want “as boring as possible.” On the test series drives, I actually yawned at one point on a really difficult section and thought “crap - this is fantastic!” On-road is more like a throwback to the 70’s, since you have a solid front axle with recirculating ball steering and kingpins - no independent front suspension, no rack and pinion. But much less to break. It also has play in the wheel on center - by design - and it’s 4 turns lock to lock on the wheel. So I love it and abuse it and it’s pulled me out of plenty of scrapes with a very British “pish posh.” But my wife does not. She does a lot of town driving and running errands and I could see that this would be somewhat tiresome. And it’s so tall that it will not fit in a parking garage lower than 81” (that’s stock - no bigger tires, rack, etc). I did swap out the OEM steering damper for a Fox damper -$280 from Agile Offroad and a 15 minute job. Seemed to help a little but it could also just have been me adjusting to a more old-school steering feel.

I quickly got used to the center cluster gauge - now I find gauges behind the wheel to be highly distracting, especially at night - but it took me a few days to adjust in the beginning. Gas mileage is not much of a concern for Grenadier owners - 15-18 mpg is great, all things considered.

I love the look, love the tank aspect of the chassis and components, love how easy it is to modify and work on it - but there are trade-offs. The software is only accessible to dealers, and there are only about 25 in the US. That is annoying for things like oil change warnings. They’re working on it to open it up. I feel sorry for the poor bastards in Canada - they only have 2 dealers with a 3rd on the way. Steering takes some getting used to. There were a few kinks to work out - had a recall on door buttons that stuck, door seals needed new 3M adhesive tape, some owners with safari windows reported leaks, there was some AC-related condensation leaks, and owners who did 2” lifts quickly found out the angle on the front drive shaft quickly wore out the CV boot, so they had failures. That’s pretty small stuff for year 1 production, but remember the factory was pre-existing and they purchased it from Mercedes. Their production employees were highly experienced.

But yeah, I plan to be buried in mine, I know my wife will never be thrilled about it, and that’s OK by me. I expect most people who bought it mostly for the look and to flex in their neighborhood will sell within 2-3 years (some have already done so), so there will be plenty of good deals for those who will use as intended. The PRIMARY challenge for Ineos, in my opinion, is trying to run this as a global platform and manufacturing in Europe. US Grenadier customers account for the total volume of the rest of the world, combined. That’s why BMW and Volvo have migrated so much production to the US (South Carolina) - and Scout won’t have that problem. Non-US customers are just gravy to them. They know where their customers are. And the VW backing and experience is going to be critical.

 

[cyure]

The Global Grenadier forum is talking a lot about the Scout - a lot of enthusiasm esp from US owners. That’s what actually got me interested in the Scout - I was completely ignoring it. We are clearly a community that has a fair amount of nostalgia and laments capability that has been REMOVED in the interest of volume sales. The relaunch of the Defender and Land Cruiser are 2 examples. I am one of the earlier US deliveries, had a chance to drive test series pre-production, had a chance to talk to the heads of marketing and R&D - so I am very familiar with what you guys are going through, right now.

To answer your questions, no, I don’t intend to replace my Grenadier. My Grenadier is a Nov’23 build and I picked it up Q1’24. I have about 28,000 miles on it. I put in a reservation for a Scout as an option for my wife. She’s a mountain girl from Montana, we like to ski, snowshoe, camp, etc. We WOULD have gone for the Ineos Fusilier, but they paused that project (EU restrictions on any combustion engine production - they were going to have a range extender option identical to the Scout). The Scout is more similar to the Fusilier - like kind of splitting the difference between the new Honda Passport and the Grenadier, but on an EV platform. In terms of the steering, the Grenadier is “dreamy offroad” - it’s more about trail work than Baja racing, and for that, you want “as boring as possible.” On the test series drives, I actually yawned at one point on a really difficult section and thought “crap - this is fantastic!” On-road is more like a throwback to the 70’s, since you have a solid front axle with recirculating ball steering and kingpins - no independent front suspension, no rack and pinion. But much less to break. It also has play in the wheel on center - by design - and it’s 4 turns lock to lock on the wheel. So I love it and abuse it and it’s pulled me out of plenty of scrapes with a very British “pish posh.” But my wife does not. She does a lot of town driving and running errands and I could see that this would be somewhat tiresome. And it’s so tall that it will not fit in a parking garage lower than 81” (that’s stock - no bigger tires, rack, etc). I did swap out the OEM steering damper for a Fox damper -$280 from Agile Offroad and a 15 minute job. Seemed to help a little but it could also just have been me adjusting to a more old-school steering feel.

I quickly got used to the center cluster gauge - now I find gauges behind the wheel to be highly distracting, especially at night - but it took me a few days to adjust in the beginning. Gas mileage is not much of a concern for Grenadier owners - 15-18 mpg is great, all things considered.

I love the look, love the tank aspect of the chassis and components, love how easy it is to modify and work on it - but there are trade-offs. The software is only accessible to dealers, and there are only about 25 in the US. That is annoying for things like oil change warnings. They’re working on it to open it up. I feel sorry for the poor bastards in Canada - they only have 2 dealers with a 3rd on the way. Steering takes some getting used to. There were a few kinks to work out - had a recall on door buttons that stuck, door seals needed new 3M adhesive tape, some owners with safari windows reported leaks, there was some AC-related condensation leaks, and owners who did 2” lifts quickly found out the angle on the front drive shaft quickly wore out the CV boot, so they had failures. That’s pretty small stuff for year 1 production, but remember the factory was pre-existing and they purchased it from Mercedes. Their production employees were highly experienced.

But yeah, I plan to be buried in mine, I know my wife will never be thrilled about it, and that’s OK by me. I expect most people who bought it mostly for the look and to flex in their neighborhood will sell within 2-3 years (some have already done so), so there will be plenty of good deals for those who will use as intended. The PRIMARY challenge for Ineos, in my opinion, is trying to run this as a global platform and manufacturing in Europe. US Grenadier customers account for the total volume of the rest of the world, combined. That’s why BMW and Volvo have migrated so much production to the US (South Carolina) - and Scout won’t have that problem. Non-US customers are just gravy to them. They know where their customers are. And the VW backing and experience is going to be critical.

Thanks for the details! Yeah i remember the dealer saying it’s great over rocks and I was thinking I don’t go over rocks. I do have a Wrangler so I was used to the play in the steering and I only get 14 mpg in my Wrangler so I was used to that too. I remember waiting for the announcement on that Fusilier and was disappointed. I have been car shopping forever. Before the Grenadier came out I found it online, along with the Scout, by googling things that look like a Wrangler and both those came up. We are lucky being in Illinois that the dealer is only about 150 miles from us so that wasn’t the issue. I kept saying I wasn’t going to make a decision until I saw the Scout reveal. I counted the number of cars I have test driven in this process. I’m up to 19.

I’m glad you are enjoying it so much, but I’m with your wife, for around town the Scout is where it is for me! I’m so excited. I went to Nationals this past June and saw the concepts. I can hardly wait!! I plan to be buried in my Scout too!

I love the offroad look but don’t need the offroad chops. I’m hopeful they have an offroad appearance package. I have to have my tire carrier and at least 33s. I’m BEV, which version are you thinking of getting?

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Thanks for the details! Yeah i remember the dealer saying it’s great over rocks and I was thinking I don’t go over rocks. I do have a Wrangler so I was used to the play in the steering and I only get 14 mpg in my Wrangler so I was used to that too. I remember waiting for the announcement on that Fusilier and was disappointed. I have been car shopping forever. Before the Grenadier came out I found it online, along with the Scout, by googling things that look like a Wrangler and both those came up. We are lucky being in Illinois that the dealer is only about 150 miles from us so that wasn’t the issue. I kept saying I wasn’t going to make a decision until I saw the Scout reveal. I counted the number of cars I have test driven in this process. I’m up to 19.

I’m glad you are enjoying it so much, but I’m with your wife, for around town the Scout is where it is for me! I’m so excited. I went to Nationals this past June and saw the concepts. I can hardly wait!! I plan to be buried in my Scout too!

I love the offroad look but don’t need the offroad chops. I’m hopeful they have an offroad appearance package. I have to have my tire carrier and at least 33s. I’m BEV, which version are you thinking of getting?

We’re in Wisconsin so Knauz is my dealer. I reserved the range extender version - is that called the “Harvester?” I think you are making the right choice - and we all know FIB’s don’t really need the offroad chops, since you all come to Wisconsin and Michigan to play ;o). Scout is probably going to gobble up some of the share from Ineos that wants something with an old-school look but doesn’t want to take the hit on other aspects. Ineos needs to focus on the service network, opening up diagnostics, and spare parts access to 3rd parties. To do that, they have to renegotiate their dealer contracts. Tricky business. Scout shouldn’t repeat those mistakes. They are in a good spot to get it right from Day 1. I say more competition is good. The big guys made bad choices and left the market wanting the very things that had been abandoned. Scout gets it. Ineos as well - just at a more extreme end of the spectrum. Both of them are building something great, with a respect for tradition, prioritizing an authentic experience and not just “a look,” and have integrity and innocence in their design. They aren’t trying to be “bad-ass” in their design, and they’re not going to put 22” rims with low profile tires on their trucks. We all are tired of shallow looks and cheap tricks.

So Scout - PLEASE focus on how this will get (easily) serviced. That’s key.

 

[cyure]

We’re in Wisconsin so Knauz is my dealer. I reserved the range extender version - is that called the “Harvester?” I think you are making the right choice - and we all know FIB’s don’t really need the offroad chops, since you all come to Wisconsin and Michigan to play ;o). Scout is probably going to gobble up some of the share from Ineos that wants something with an old-school look but doesn’t want to take the hit on other aspects. Ineos needs to focus on the service network, opening up diagnostics, and spare parts access to 3rd parties. To do that, they have to renegotiate their dealer contracts. Tricky business. Scout shouldn’t repeat those mistakes. They are in a good spot to get it right from Day 1. I say more competition is good. The big guys made bad choices and left the market wanting the very things that had been abandoned. Scout gets it. Ineos as well - just at a more extreme end of the spectrum. Both of them are building something great, with a respect for tradition, prioritizing an authentic experience and not just “a look,” and have integrity and innocence in their design. They aren’t trying to be “bad-ass” in their design, and they’re not going to put 22” rims with low profile tires on their trucks. We all are tired of shallow looks and cheap tricks.

So Scout - PLEASE focus on how this will get (easily) serviced. That’s key.

Yes the range extender is the EREV so 150 miles from the battery and 350 miles from the gas generator. The BEV is 350 miles. Those are the numbers we have been given so far.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Yes the range extender is the EREV so 150 miles from the battery and 350 miles from the gas generator. The BEV is 350 miles. Those are the numbers we have been given so far.

Very respectable- both of them - also opens up markets where people are in apartments, condos etc. We all remember a couple winters ago during that brutal cold snap - Teslas abandoned in the streets of Chicago because nobody could get to the charging stations, they were parked outside overnight, and the temp crushed their range.

 

[cyure]

Very respectable- both of them - also opens up markets where people are in apartments, condos etc. We all remember a couple winters ago during that brutal cold snap - Teslas abandoned in the streets of Chicago because nobody could get to the charging stations, they were parked outside overnight, and the temp crushed their range.

That’s why I am glad they are making both. I’m lucky with a garage and work from home. BEV will be prefect. But I did start with a Harvester reservation and the more I learned on here the more I realized for me, I didn’t need it.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

That’s why I am glad they are making both. I’m lucky with a garage and work from home. BEV will be prefect. But I did start with a Harvester reservation and the more I learned on here the more I realized for me, I didn’t need it.

Keep in mind there are a ton of EV’s in the Nordics - but also a high % of the population with private garages. It’s genuinely not a problem for them. 350 miles is plenty - Scout is nailing it on both fronts. Again, would have loved the Fusilier but the Bozo’s in Brussels made it impossible. Scout is smart to build in the US - they won’t have tariff exposure in their biggest market, and they have flexibility to meet both EV market segments.

 

[cyure]

Keep in mind there are a ton of EV’s in the Nordics - but also a high % of the population with private garages. It’s genuinely not a problem for them. 350 miles is plenty - Scout is nailing it on both fronts. Again, would have loved the Fusilier but the Bozo’s in Brussels made it impossible. Scout is smart to build in the US - they won’t have tariff exposure in their biggest market, and they have flexibility to meet both EV market segments.

A couple good follows on here are @Jamie@ScoutMotors and @CP1@scoutmotors. They keep us updated around here from the manufacturer side and where they are going to be on display. Have you voted in the various color polls and things yet?

 

[Mick O'Kelly]

I favor a solid roof option on the Traveler -- no cabana, no glass, nothing that opens -- just solid metal overhead, please.

 

[cyure]

I favor a solid roof option on the Traveler -- no cabana, no glass, nothing that opens -- just solid metal overhead, please.

Welcome to the community. There will be 3 roof options. Glass, cabana and solid. They just haven’t shown the solid yet, but there will be a solid roof.

 

[J Alynn]

I favor a solid roof option on the Traveler -- no cabana, no glass, nothing that opens -- just solid metal overhead, please.

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