Want a Scout. Don't want the Drama!

[tanktheram]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

 

[Logan]

I wouldn't use the word concern, but I definitely consider deprecation when buying a vehicle. No matter how much I love a car, at some point I'm going to move on to something different, and there's always hope to at least recoup some degree of the cost when that time comes.

In an ideal world, your value is absolute minimum because you've held onto the car through years and thousands of miles and it's provided every cent of value it could, but I know that usually isn't the case.

EV's run into this issue more than ICE because the technology has improved by leaps and bounds over a very condensed timeframe, so a 2 year old vehicle truly does not have the same "value" as a current day one. My guess is that we'll get to a point pretty soon when that is no longer the case and deprecation will be less on an issue.

Same here.

Even if I don't plan on selling, knowing the resale, does provide a sort of "safety net" for me. It might just be psychological for me. But I do like knowing that "if" I needed/wanted to, I'm not in a horrible position.

I did just buy a new EV though (not lease). I know that depreciation will be a big deal.

However, most of the time I see EV depreciation discussed, its talking about value drop from MSRP. But, the problem with that is, that "no one paid MSRP" for the EV's, due to the tax credit.

When I did the math on what the projected value of the vehicle was (the depreciated value), using the price we actually were going to pay for it, it was a lot more normal. It looks like its projected to be about the same as any other normal mainstream brand/vehicle.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

If this happened I would absolutely feel a way about it! Doubling the range and charging in half the time in 2 years is a major leap!

It's a much bigger timeframe, but that's almost exactly what you're looking at when you compare a Model S from 2012 to present. Larger battery, huge range jump, faster charging.

Actually the Model S from 2012's battery is not all that different from newer ones. Sure there are newer Model S's with bigger batteries but you could also still get them with similar-sized batteries. The charging times are likewise very similar. Maybe the new ones are a tad faster but in practical terms I doubt any average person would notice. I know all this because I'm part of an EV group and we have members with both old and new Model S's and have compared them side by side. They're fundamentally similar and the differences aren't all that noticeable to most people despite the cars being about a decade apart in age.

 

[Scoutsie]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

Can I practice my grasp of Gen Z slang on you? I am solid Gen X and I am ever closer to age 50, so this is kind of unnatural for me:

YOU ARE DELULU, NO CAP
Scout is not going to make an all-gas Scout because no matter what Andrew Tate says (especially because of what Andrew Tate says) gas IS CHEUGY, bet.
Salty NPC post, be so for real.
LMS

 

[bakdraft8231]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

would love a all gasses I have a 1978 SSI restoration,Anything Scout,, would love to have a new one as well....I think time will tell, they are building the Big Beautiful factory, they will have plenty of room down the line, just not a Gm 6.2l L87

 

[dreamweaver]

Can I practice my grasp on Gen Z slang on you? I am solid Gen X and I am ever closer to age 50, so this is kind of unnatural for me:

YOU ARE DELULU, NO CAP
Scout is not going to make an all-gas Scout because no matter what Andrew Tate says (especially because of what Andrew Tate says) gas IS CHEUGY, bet.
Salty NPC post, be so for real.
LMS

I'm Dead!

 

[Scoutsie]

I'm Dead!

I know, I got a preposition wrong, I used “on” where I should have used “of,” so cringe.

 

[dreamweaver]

I know, I got a preposition wrong, I used “on” where I should have used “of,” so cringe.

It's all good fun.

 

[mattbrew]

I think the Scout is going to be a flop. It has a group of forums to decide features and the future, it has a direct to consumer model, and it is entering into an EV market that is in decline - it spells disaster.



Make the Scout available at all VW/Audi dealers - maybe even International dealer. All these dealers are all ready geared up for High Voltage Energy vehicles.



Provide an all-gasoline version of the Scout to compete with Bronco, Wrangler/Gladiator, Tacoma, etc. VW/Audi already has excellent gasoline powertrains that would drop in place.



Decide on 3 trim levels, good better best. Give it three powertrain options; EV, Hybrid and Gas. Make it available it at VW/Audi/International Dealers. Enough with the Forum back and forth stuff.



The best selling truck in North America is the F150. The best selling EV truck? The F150. Hybrid Truck - well F150 is also up there. Why? Its available to anyone at any Ford Dealer and servicing is a breeze.



I am rooted in the International Brand, and Scout is historically a no-nonsense vehicle that got the job done. I want one, but am not sure I want the nonsense associated with the brand so far.

Hopefully you like surprises then.

 

[Mousehunter]

Had to look up CHEUGY, and the general feel I got is even the internet is not certain what it means. It was coined in 2013 to reference early 2010 trends - but isn't 2013 essentially early 2010;s? So I will right it off as something I grew up with - where we were about one trend late in being current. With things already being out before we knew they actually existed - and when we were trying to be "trendy" with stuff the trend setters had already gotten rid of years earlier.

But here is the kicker with Scout. Legacy auto makers shot themselves in the foot trying to take legacy products and make them into EV's. They simply were not optimized for that. Doing the reverse is probably bad. Making what could be a good EV into a horrible and overpriced ICE vehicle.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

The new Charger was an objectively terrible EV sold to a customer base that has an irrational hate of EVs. It was always destined to be a flop. People who understand that EVs are better didn't buy it because it was and overpriced, limited range, slow charging EV that made dumb combustion car noises. It was a bad EV.

The Dodge faithful didn't buy it because it was an EV and Fox News told them to hate EVs.

Crappy EV plus high price equals poor sales. It's simple math.

The Jeep Recon will see the same fate for the exact same reasons.

The new Charger EV was a terrible vehicle full of electronic glitches when first released. Dodge did a piss poor execution of the EV. It’s not an ugly car (I prefer the outgoing model looks), and the interior is actually pretty nice. Dodge faithful skipped on the new Charger EV because it was a turd, simple as that.

 

[J Alynn]

Same here.

Even if I don't plan on selling, knowing the resale, does provide a sort of "safety net" for me. It might just be psychological for me. But I do like knowing that "if" I needed/wanted to, I'm not in a horrible position.

I did just buy a new EV though (not lease). I know that depreciation will be a big deal.

However, most of the time I see EV depreciation discussed, its talking about value drop from MSRP. But, the problem with that is, that "no one paid MSRP" for the EV's, due to the tax credit.

When I did the math on what the projected value of the vehicle was (the depreciated value), using the price we actually were going to pay for it, it was a lot more normal. It looks like its projected to be about the same as any other normal mainstream brand/vehicle.

Actually the Model S from 2012's battery is not all that different from newer ones. Sure there are newer Model S's with bigger batteries but you could also still get them with similar-sized batteries. The charging times are likewise very similar. Maybe the new ones are a tad faster but in practical terms I doubt any average person would notice. I know all this because I'm part of an EV group and we have members with both old and new Model S's and have compared them side by side. They're fundamentally similar and the differences aren't all that noticeable to most people despite the cars being about a decade apart in age.

Always appreciate your educational input

 

[Scoutsie]

Had to look up CHEUGY, and the general feel I got is even the internet is not certain what it means. It was coined in 2013 to reference early 2010 trends - but isn't 2013 essentially early 2010;s? So I will right it off as something I grew up with - where we were about one trend late in being current. With things already being out before we knew they actually existed - and when we were trying to be "trendy" with stuff the trend setters had already gotten rid of years earlier.

But here is the kicker with Scout. Legacy auto makers shot themselves in the foot trying to take legacy products and make them into EV's. They simply were not optimized for that. Doing the reverse is probably bad. Making what could be a good EV into a horrible and overpriced ICE vehicle.

Cheugy, as I am to understand, means something gross, out of style, trying too hard, outdated, past its expiration date, etc. Stuff that is not on trend is cheugy, like stuff with chevron designs and overly-calligraphic script a la Etsy marketplace shabby chic that says “Live Laugh Love” printed out on adhesive vinyl with your Silhouette (as opposed to your Cricut, ya rube) and put on your wall or something.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

The charger EV failed because Dodge does not appeal to the EV crowd. They appeal to the loud crowd the V8 only hemi crowd, those are not the type of people that want an electric car because they are scared of electric cars, pure hatred, and most of them unwilling to change. Also to drop an ICE into EV is not as simple as swap and go because ICE requires a transmission, which needs a Gear tunnel

As a Dodge/Ram owner with a Scout Traveler Harvester reservation, I’m not sure if I should be proud, offended, or indifferent?

 

[RodorW]

As a Dodge/Ram owner with a Scout Traveler Harvester reservation, I’m not sure if I should be proud, offended, or indifferent?
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I did say most but it's largely true, they made crowd that loves loud V8s with commercials full of smoke and middle fingers, then instead of a slow introduction to EV they killed the challenger, resigned the charger (which I dont hate as much as I thought I would) and brought it out as a BEV first. They objectively shot themselves in the foot with that one, then after fire issues with 4xE and a community that had a large distaste for all things not HEMI. That's not everyone but its played a large part in dodges decisions, and rams EV canceling (that somehow made it to matchbox) like I watched Rick's video on the pre launch of the charger and while I love a V8 American car but I couldn't agree with them on there takes on some things. My family is majority mechanics (they loved to own dodger and ram but not work on them) so its always fun when im around in my "fancy future car" and they ask the same questions everytime.

All this to ramble my way though saying I mean disrespect to doge owners and enjoyed, I traded my charger for my Bolt, and while I loved my charger I wouldn't go back

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I did say most but it's largely true, they made crowd that loves loud V8s with commercials full of smoke and middle fingers, then instead of a slow introduction to EV they killed the challenger, resigned the charger (which I dont hate as much as I thought I would) and brought it out as a BEV first. They objectively shot themselves in the foot with that one, then after fire issues with 4xE and a community that had a large distaste for all things not HEMI. That's not everyone but its played a large part in dodges decisions, and rams EV canceling (that somehow made it to matchbox) like I watched Rick's video on the pre launch of the charger and while I love a V8 American car but I couldn't agree with them on there takes on some things. My family is majority mechanics (they loved to own dodger and ram but not work on them) so its always fun when im around in my "fancy future car" and they ask the same questions everytime.

All this to ramble my way though saying I mean disrespect to doge owners and enjoyed, I traded my charger for my Bolt, and while I loved my charger I wouldn't go back

My favorite power plant to this day is the Hellcat (in every platform). The sound of the supercharger and the cold start exhaust are intoxicating. That said, a 500 mile range with a Harvester optioned Scout and a little quieter ride for long distance trips has an appeal to it. I’m just excited to see what the final product is. I’m fully aware that I’m not Scout’s target when they come to market, but they have my attention.

 

[LastDayScout]

My hope for long-term scout owners from launch would be if solid state batteries become a reality that Scout can use, and they make the batteries for scouts that older, possibly even launch addition scouts could have their batteries upgraded, but even without that older EV’s are still running very strong on their original batteries

This is such a great point about being able to possibly upgrade the battery in the future. I certainly hope so. It would help the Scout hold value and future proof it so to speak.

 

[LastDayScout]

My favorite power plant to this day is the Hellcat (in every platform). The sound of the supercharger and the cold start exhaust are intoxicating. That said, a 500 mile range with a Harvester optioned Scout and a little quieter ride for long distance trips has an appeal to it. I’m just excited to see what the final product is. I’m fully aware that I’m not Scout’s target when they come to market, but they have my attention.

And you are a very important buyer for Scout. If they produce what they have shown us with prototypes and on paper, you will love it. You will probably tell others that love Hellcats you love the Scout and what it offers. And a natural progression of people buying better vehicles and technology will take place. Here's to hope!