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Hey I just realized the Hummer EV didn't make the list. I know its huge, but it is surprisingly easy to drive thanks to the rear steer. It has tons of storage, all the physical buttons you need, switches on the side of the driver seat, a key fob, but no car play/android auto. Was it ever a consideration?
No. It's too big. This would be my partner's daily driver and she's not even convinced the R1S isn't too big.
 
Hey I just realized the Hummer EV didn't make the list. I know its huge, but it is surprisingly easy to drive thanks to the rear steer. It has tons of storage, all the physical buttons you need, switches on the side of the driver seat, a key fob, but no car play/android auto. Was it ever a consideration?
The Hummer is also ridiculously inefficient, in fact it is the least efficient EV truck on the market:
  • Energy Usage: The Hummer EV uses approximately 63-72 kWh to travel 100 miles.
  • Massive Battery: To achieve a roughly 300-mile range, it requires 217.7 kWh battery pack.
  • Poor Aerodynamics: A high drag coefficient (0.5) and huge frontal area contribute to low efficiency.
  • Heavy Weight: The vehicle weighs over 9,000 lbs, requiring immense energy to accelerate.
  • Comparison: It is roughly half as efficient as other electric trucks like the Rivian R1T or Ford F-150 Lightning
 
The Hummer is also ridiculously inefficient, in fact it is the least efficient EV truck on the market:
  • Energy Usage: The Hummer EV uses approximately 63-72 kWh to travel 100 miles.
  • Massive Battery: To achieve a roughly 300-mile range, it requires 217.7 kWh battery pack.
  • Poor Aerodynamics: A high drag coefficient (0.5) and huge frontal area contribute to low efficiency.
  • Heavy Weight: The vehicle weighs over 9,000 lbs, requiring immense energy to accelerate.
  • Comparison: It is roughly half as efficient as other electric trucks like the Rivian R1T or Ford F-150 Lightning
I read the battery in that thing weighs as much as a Honda Civic. That’s crazy.
 
The Hummer is also ridiculously inefficient, in fact it is the least efficient EV truck on the market:
  • Energy Usage: The Hummer EV uses approximately 63-72 kWh to travel 100 miles.
  • Massive Battery: To achieve a roughly 300-mile range, it requires 217.7 kWh battery pack.
  • Poor Aerodynamics: A high drag coefficient (0.5) and huge frontal area contribute to low efficiency.
  • Heavy Weight: The vehicle weighs over 9,000 lbs, requiring immense energy to accelerate.
  • Comparison: It is roughly half as efficient as other electric trucks like the Rivian R1T or Ford F-150 Lightning
True the Hummer is just ridiculous in pretty much every way but its looks like a beast, is a lot of fun to drive with the tops out, rear window down, and its hilarious how much it squats on acceleration. Other than the fun factor it serves little to no purpose, but boy do you see a lot of them in the carpool line :ROFLMAO:
 
True the Hummer is just ridiculous in pretty much every way but its looks like a beast, is a lot of fun to drive with the tops out, rear window down, and its hilarious how much it squats on acceleration. Other than the fun factor it serves little to no purpose, but boy do you see a lot of them in the carpool line :ROFLMAO:
And yet I’ve seen three different ones here in town.
 
We have a friend with the Solterra, and they mostly love it. There are a couple of issues they have with it, only one of which is a big deal. I don’t know if we could handle the slower charge rate. We do a lot of road tripping and we’d like to be able to take either vehicle. We have several times taken both the Lightning and the Mustang for various reasons (one of us had to head home earlier than the other, one of us couldn’t leave at the same time, we needed two vehicles, etc).

The upgraded versions are more interesting to us.

I would def stay away from the 2023 Solterra then. I am actually headed to the dealership tomorrow to look at the new ones while getting my '23 serviced (recalls). My understanding is the charging on the newest 2026 model is vastly improved including in the cold. My understanding is it does 10-80% on Level 3 fast DC charging in just 28 minutes now.
 
I would def stay away from the 2023 Solterra then. I am actually headed to the dealership tomorrow to look at the new ones while getting my '23 serviced (recalls). My understanding is the charging on the newest 2026 model is vastly improved including in the cold. My understanding is it does 10-80% on Level 3 fast DC charging in just 28 minutes now.
That's my understanding too.
 
Even the long-term rentals in big cities (Flex Car, for example) don’t have a Rivian.

This seems like a great business model that’s missing from the world: 1 to 11 month lease of an EV so people can get a feel for the vehicle before they commit.

Anyone have a few tens of millions of dollars they can angle invest in my new company?
Volvo tried this and it flopped. It was called "Care by Volvo." It was effectively a regular lease that included insurance and maintenance (negligible for EVs obviously but the program covered all of their models) that you could cancel after 5 months with no penalty. I picked up an XC40 Recharge while I was waiting for my Model X Plaid. The flexibility was awesome as Tesla was famous for missing date targets.

I'm guessing they chose 5 months on purpose. Any shorter and you're taking the new car depreciation hit with only a single month of lease payments to show for it. But as I said, they shut the program down after a few years.
 
Volvo tried this and it flopped. It was called "Care by Volvo." It was effectively a regular lease that included insurance and maintenance (negligible for EVs obviously but the program covered all of their models) that you could cancel after 5 months with no penalty. I picked up an XC40 Recharge while I was waiting for my Model X Plaid. The flexibility was awesome as Tesla was famous for missing date targets.

I'm guessing they chose 5 months on purpose. Any shorter and you're taking the new car depreciation hit with only a single month of lease payments to show for it. But as I said, they shut the program down after a few years.
I believe our S60 was one of these lease turn-ins... only had 3680 miles and was 6 months old - bought it for $5800 under sticker!
 
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The lack of a built-in way to directly interface with the two most popular phones in the country is also short-sighted. We listen to a lot of audiobooks while on road trips and the extra nonsense required to get the Libby app to work could make this vehicle a non-purchase.
I've never used the Libby app for audiobooks but can't it be controlled via the bluetooth audio controls? I often listen to Youtube podcasts in my Tesla and I just choose bluetooth audio and can control everything from the steering wheel. I can pause/play, jump forward and backwards chapters, etc. I assumed this was table stakes for audio systems today?
 
Volvo tried this and it flopped. It was called "Care by Volvo." It was effectively a regular lease that included insurance and maintenance (negligible for EVs obviously but the program covered all of their models) that you could cancel after 5 months with no penalty. I picked up an XC40 Recharge while I was waiting for my Model X Plaid. The flexibility was awesome as Tesla was famous for missing date targets.

I'm guessing they chose 5 months on purpose. Any shorter and you're taking the new car depreciation hit with only a single month of lease payments to show for it. But as I said, they shut the program down after a few years.
Our local dealership group used to have a program where you could swap cars regularly under a single monthly payment. BMW sedan for a month, swap out for a Range Rover for a weekend trip, oh, wife is out of town for a week?, sports car it is. Cool program, reasonably priced, but now gone. It would've been a good way to let customers try EVs out as well.
 
I've never used the Libby app for audiobooks but can't it be controlled via the bluetooth audio controls? I often listen to Youtube podcasts in my Tesla and I just choose bluetooth audio and can control everything from the steering wheel. I can pause/play, jump forward and backwards chapters, etc. I assumed this was table stakes for audio systems today?
It can be controlled via bluetooth audio controls for start/stop/next/etc, but if I’m driving alone and want to start a different book, switch to podcasts, etc., then without the apps on the vehicle screen I’d either have to pull over and make the selection or (dangerously) fumble with the phone. I don’t even like using the big touch screen while I’m driving, much less using the phone.
 
It can be controlled via bluetooth audio controls for start/stop/next/etc, but if I’m driving alone and want to start a different book, switch to podcasts, etc., then without the apps on the vehicle screen I’d either have to pull over and make the selection or (dangerously) fumble with the phone. I don’t even like using the big touch screen while I’m driving, much less using the phone.
Got it. Yeah, I generally build playlists before I go so I can just roll from one to the other. I'm not a fan of self-driving but I will use it for short periods when I need to fumble with my phone to queue something up.
 
It can be controlled via bluetooth audio controls for start/stop/next/etc, but if I’m driving alone and want to start a different book, switch to podcasts, etc., then without the apps on the vehicle screen I’d either have to pull over and make the selection or (dangerously) fumble with the phone. I don’t even like using the big touch screen while I’m driving, much less using the phone.
Makes sense, but when I need to fumble with the phone or when using the big touch screen I just put on the self drive system, and let the computers do the work lol!
 
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Our local dealership group used to have a program where you could swap cars regularly under a single monthly payment. BMW sedan for a month, swap out for a Range Rover for a weekend trip, oh, wife is out of town for a week?, sports car it is. Cool program, reasonably priced, but now gone. It would've been a good way to let customers try EVs out as well.
This is actually becoming more common, and a few companies are venturing into a subscription service. Granted most of lower budget cars, but believe it or not Porsche offers one that is actually quite impressive if your pockets are deep enough that is.

 
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Makes sense, but when I need to fumble with the phone or when using the big touch screen I just put on the self drive system, and let the computers do the work lol!
I don’t trust self-drive (I’ve worked in the software/hardware realm where this was originally developed for low-speed planetary robots and I’ve seen it go wrong at high speeds). I’ll use it to rest my hands/arms/shoulder or open a drink, but not to take my eyes off the road for the amount of time needed to fiddle with an app. There are no self-drive software/hardware combinations in the US that can detect a road hazard and safely navigate around it at highway speeds or safely brake in time not to hit it.
 
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This is actually becoming more common, and a few companies are venturing into a subscription service. Granted most of lower budget cars, but believe it or not Porsche offers one that is actually quite impressive if your pockets are deep enough that is.

I liked that the dealership group was doing it since it allowed for different makes and models. It's one of the few dealership groups that's actually really good on both sales and service. I know I'm not allowed to say that around here, but it is what it is, haha.
 
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I don’t trust self-drive (I’ve worked in the software/hardware realm where this was originally developed for low-speed planetary robots and I’ve seen it go wrong at high speeds). I’ll use it to rest my hands/arms/shoulder or open a drink, but not to take my eyes off the road for the amount of time needed to fiddle with an app. There are no self-drive software/hardware combinations in the US that can detect a road hazard and safely navigate around it at highway speeds or safely brake in time not to hit it.
In fairness to the cars, there are less and less people capable of doing the same, so we're approaching parity before long. :ROFLMAO:
 
I don’t trust self-drive (I’ve worked in the software/hardware realm where this was originally developed for low-speed planetary robots and I’ve seen it go wrong at high speeds). I’ll use it to rest my hands/arms/shoulder or open a drink, but not to take my eyes off the road for the amount of time needed to fiddle with an app. There are no self-drive software/hardware combinations in the US that can detect a road hazard and safely navigate around it at highway speeds or safely brake in time not to hit it.
Yeah I wouldn't trust Blue Cruise, or Super Cruise, but I trust the Rivian system and use it daily in my Rivian on my highway commute (roughly 30 miles continuously one way), but when I had my Tesla I used FSD to drive from Atlanta GA, to Norfolk VA, (over a 9 hr trip with charging stops) and only took over driving to back into superchargers. I would even let it drive at night while I was eating my chicken sandwich and dipping my fries in ketchup lol! It was literally like flying, so much in fact that I use to call it flying Air Tesla. On second thought maybe I'm a little too trusting. 😅

But yes, you're correct there is no self-drive systems that safely navigate road hazards at highway speeds but this is exactly why they are still referred to as driver assist systems. This is clearly demonstrated as my Rivian system annoyingly alerts me seconds after I look down at the big touch screen. :rolleyes:
 
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