Package options - what would you like bundled?

[R1TVT]

Yes, context is also important, since this will be Scout Motors first drop. Some considerations that come to mind:

1. Scout will leverage VW's massive buying power, which should result in strong value
2. Scout has set a bar around ~$60K for entry (and there has been no talk of that being a stripped-down model)
3. Scout will likely offer ~3 or so "packages" at launch and they will all be HIGHLY scrutinized and reviewed, don't see corners being cut
4. Scout would be following other OEM's by providing ~$10K or so pricing tiers between packages
5. Scout can sell all the accessories they want (and offer to have some of them factory-installed) on top of each tier
5. Launch vehicles don't always need generate maximum margins to be successful for the OEM - they can build in more margin after launch perhaps offering products with even more "mass appeal" in the future (think Rivian R2).

My guess is that we will see very high value and compelling vehicles wherever final pricing lands.

 

[Hedrock]

My guess is that we will see very high value and compelling vehicles wherever final pricing lands.

100%.

 

[chucchinchilla]

From a content perspective, I continue to say Scout must meet or exceed what's offered on the cheaper 4Runner. A $55K 4Runner comes with a power liftgate, a $49K 4Runner comes with heated front seats, and a $40K 4Runner comes with a hitch. I expect Traveler to have all these things at the $60K level.

The only package I'll add to this thread is one I've suggested before aka "Scout Community Package." In Volkswagen world I'd call this a Wolfsburg Edition aka a parts-bin special to move more units with an "everything you need, nothing you don't" mantra. What's in the bundle would be voted on by this community via polls, 1:1 discussions, etc. This would be an industry first in bundling and the grassroots nature of how it's put together would add to the appeal.

 

[cyure]

Happily? No, I remember when you could get a basic 4x4 v8 Tahoe for 41k (2010) and it wasn’t the lifted minivan that it is today, had an actual rear axle.

But realistically? 60k seems pretty sensible given the whole “body on frame EV with a solid axle and rear locker”. Base Tahoe today is 63k.

Okay but hear me out. They have said $20k less than their direct competitors. If the Chevy Tahoe was their direct competitor then the Scout would be in the $40s for base.

I see their director competitor as the Rivian R1s. So a dual standard is their base at $77,000.

It comes standard with
270 miles - I know it’s less than the 350 but this model is the closest in price
Silver paint
Bright badging
Vegan leather seats
Dark ash wood trim
20” wheels with all season tires
Heated front and second row seats
Ventilated front seats.

I’m sure there’s more but that’s the highlights.

In my opinion, that’s a good place for scout to start then different colors, wheels and tires and roofs and packages can go from there.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Exactly. And when I was at Nats someone specifically asked about price. Their answer has been consistent. They will be $20,000 less than their competitors. I’m thinking of the BEV. So what do you get in a Rivian R1s for $77,000? Rivian is one of their competitor.

So a Traveler compared to a Rivian R1s

If SM succeeds in bringing in a Traveler similarly equipped for $20K less, they will be buried in orders.

 

[J Alynn]

If SM succeeds in bringing in a Traveler similarly equipped for $20K less, they will be buried in orders.

That is 100% true. I also feel like Scout wants to be a slightly higher tier in appearance-much like Rivian. Solid and capable but also a step up so I kinda agree with @R1TVT that these will be dressed up a bit more. These aren’t Jeans and a T-shirt and sneakers, but jeans, a dress button down shirt and a good pair of boots

 

[LastDayScout]

I will likely pick the highest trim package and check all the option boxes. That said, I do hope that the top trim does not have just one large wheel option. I do hope to get something in the 20" size range with really nice all season tires. I also hope that I do not have to choose an offroad package to get air suspension. I also hope that heated, ventilated or actually cooled seats, and heated steering wheel would be great. My BMW iX has radiant heating too which is amazing. That means that the armrests on the door and console as well as the dash are heated. It uses less energy to heat that way than forced air through the vents. I know that is a different price point vehicle, but maybe the price of that technology will come down by the time the Scout is ready for delivery.

 

[J Alynn]

I will likely pick the highest trim package and check all the option boxes. That said, I do hope that the top trim does not have just one large wheel option. I do hope to get something in the 20" size range with really nice all season tires. I also hope that I do not have to choose an offroad package to get air suspension. I also hope that heated, ventilated or actually cooled seats, and heated steering wheel would be great. My BMW iX has radiant heating too which is amazing. That means that the armrests on the door and console as well as the dash are heated. It uses less energy to heat that way than forced air through the vents. I know that is a different price point vehicle, but maybe the price of that technology will come down by the time the Scout is ready for delivery.

Always a fan of radiant heat

 

[cyure]

I will likely pick the highest trim package and check all the option boxes. That said, I do hope that the top trim does not have just one large wheel option. I do hope to get something in the 20" size range with really nice all season tires. I also hope that I do not have to choose an offroad package to get air suspension. I also hope that heated, ventilated or actually cooled seats, and heated steering wheel would be great. My BMW iX has radiant heating too which is amazing. That means that the armrests on the door and console as well as the dash are heated. It uses less energy to heat that way than forced air through the vents. I know that is a different price point vehicle, but maybe the price of that technology will come down by the time the Scout is ready for delivery.

Radiant heat in a vehicle. Okay how does that work? What’s in the console etc that’s giving off heat?

 

[J Alynn]

Radiant heat in a vehicle. Okay how does that work? What’s in the console etc that’s giving off heat?

I’m assuming it’s under the floor, just like in a house

 

[cyure]

I’m assuming it’s under the floor, just like in a house

He said armrest console and dash. So those are giving off heat. I’m
Curious how that works.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Radiant heat would also help with cabin noise, both from lowering the need/use of fans and from the insulation I’d expect to have wherever the system is installed. I’ve never had a vehicle with it, nor even seen the internals of such a system. Lots to ponder there.

 

[LastDayScout]

Radiant heat in a vehicle. Okay how does that work? What’s in the console etc that’s giving off heat?

How Radiant Heating Works
Panel Heating: Hidden heating elements are integrated into the interior surfaces, including the instrument panel, door trim, and console.
Surface Warmth: This creates a radiant heat effect, warming the cabin from all angles without using a blower motor.
Efficiency: Radiant heat is more efficient for an electric vehicle, as it consumes less battery power than a fan-based system, helping to preserve driving range.
Components of the Radiant Heating Package
Heated front seats
Heated rear seats
Heated armrests (front and center console)
Heated instrument panel
Heated door panels
Heated steering wheel
Benefits
Rapid Heating: The system provides quick and rapid heating to the seats and other surfaces.
Enhanced Comfort: It creates a cozy and plush overall cabin experience with consistent warmth.
Increased Efficiency: By warming panels directly, the system is more energy-efficient, which is crucial for EV range.
Control and Adjustments
Automatic Control: The heating elements are controlled by the iX's intelligent automatic climate control system.
My BMW App: Drivers can manage the radiant heating remotely using the My BMW app on their smartphone.
iDrive/Voice Control: Individual settings can also be made via the BMW Curved Display or through voice command to the BMW Intelligent Personal Assistant.

 

[cyure]

How Radiant Heating Works
Panel Heating: Hidden heating elements are integrated into the interior surfaces, including the instrument panel, door trim, and console.
Surface Warmth: This creates a radiant heat effect, warming the cabin from all angles without using a blower motor.
Efficiency: Radiant heat is more efficient for an electric vehicle, as it consumes less battery power than a fan-based system, helping to preserve driving range.
Components of the Radiant Heating Package
Heated front seats
Heated rear seats
Heated armrests (front and center console)
Heated instrument panel
Heated door panels
Heated steering wheel
Benefits
Rapid Heating: The system provides quick and rapid heating to the seats and other surfaces.
Enhanced Comfort: It creates a cozy and plush overall cabin experience with consistent warmth.
Increased Efficiency: By warming panels directly, the system is more energy-efficient, which is crucial for EV range.
Control and Adjustments
Automatic Control: The heating elements are controlled by the iX's intelligent automatic climate control system.
My BMW App: Drivers can manage the radiant heating remotely using the My BMW app on their smartphone.
iDrive/Voice Control: Individual settings can also be made via the BMW Curved Display or through voice command to the BMW Intelligent Personal Assistant.

That’s amazing.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I have heated seats and steering wheels in both of our vehicles. I don’t know if I’d find it useful to have it in the armrests, instrument panel, or door panels. But I would find it useful in the footwells—that would help keep feet warm when just using the heating elements rather than the full HVAC.

 

[cyure]

I have heated seats and steering wheels in both of our vehicles. I don’t know if I’d find it useful to have it in the armrests, instrument panel, or door panels. But I would find it useful in the footwells—that would help keep feet warm when just using the heating elements rather than the full HVAC.

Oh footwells would be great

 

[LastDayScout]

That’s amazing.

It really is. Very quickly you are warm and cozy.

 

[LastDayScout]

Oh footwells would be great

It still has conventional vents too. So, those blow from the dash as well as the footwell and defroster.

 

[Chaz26]

Okay but hear me out. They have said $20k less than their direct competitors. If the Chevy Tahoe was their direct competitor then the Scout would be in the $40s for base.

I see their director competitor as the Rivian R1s. So a dual standard is their base at $77,000.

It comes standard with
270 miles - I know it’s less than the 350 but this model is the closest in price
Silver paint
Bright badging
Vegan leather seats
Dark ash wood trim
20” wheels with all season tires
Heated front and second row seats
Ventilated front seats.

I’m sure there’s more but that’s the highlights.

In my opinion, that’s a good place for scout to start then different colors, wheels and tires and roofs and packages can go from there.

I'm hoping since I've ordered the Terra that something like the F-150 Lightning would be considered the competitor for that. Looking at Fords website and using the configurator for the Lightning, the base price is $54,780 for the pro, and if we ignore that as the work truck trim then $63,345 is the base XLT price. If I spec up the top spec Platinum trim (which is probably more than I'd really need) and include extra for paint, tonneau cover, and spray in bedliner I get an MSRP of $90,282 and with current Ford incentives a net price of $83,285.

If a maxed out Terra matches this kind of price point or slightly lower then I'll be happy, and if they can get $4,000 under the XLT as the base then that would be the $60k starting price. Then I'd hopefully be able to get something in the middle and be happy with that.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I'm hoping since I've ordered the Terra that something like the F-150 Lightning would be considered the competitor for that. Looking at Fords website and using the configurator for the Lightning, the base price is $54,780 for the pro, and if we ignore that as the work truck trim then $63,345 is the base XLT price. If I spec up the top spec Platinum trim (which is probably more than I'd really need) and include extra for paint, tonneau cover, and spray in bedliner I get an MSRP of $90,282 and with current Ford incentives a net price of $83,285.

If a maxed out Terra matches this kind of price point or slightly lower then I'll be happy, and if they can get $4,000 under the XLT as the base then that would be the $60k starting price. Then I'd hopefully be able to get something in the middle and be happy with that.

I really think this is the right cross-shopping for the Terra. The other comparison is the Silverado/Sierra EV truck. I know some will cross-shop the R1T, but there are compromises (in both directions) to that comparison.