Intuitive D/B Mode Switching - A Must-Have for Scout!

[tuvok]

I wanted to share my thoughts on a feature that I believe is crucial for any compelling EV: the ability to easily and intuitively switch between Drive (D) and regenerative braking mode (B) while driving, with minimal distraction. I really hope the design team at Scout considers this carefully for their upcoming vehicles.

VW has implemented this exceptionally well in their e-Golf, which I own and greatly appreciate. The traditional placement of the gear lever in the center console allows for a comfortable hand position and effortless toggling between D and B. This makes it second nature to switch between coasting and regen deceleration at various levels, enhancing the driving experience and efficiency.

Interestingly, even though newer VW models like the ID.7 (which isn't available in the U.S. market) have moved the gear selector to a side stalk, they have still managed to implement a smooth and intuitive way to switch between D and B. I'm attaching a photo of the stalk in ID.7.

Given that VW Group is behind Scout, I'm optimistic that this excellent design philosophy for D/B mode switching will trickle down to the Traveler and Terra models. It would be a significant factor for me, and I believe for many other EV enthusiasts, in seriously considering a Scout vehicle.

What are your thoughts on the importance of easily accessible D/B toggle?

 

[JesseS]

That would be great, I live in the hills, and use 'B' mode a lot in our Pirus, works great for decal as the thing won't slow down when you let off the gas. I find myself not driving my truck much as gas is closing in on $4 a gallon.

 

[dreamweaver]

I wanted to share my thoughts on a feature that I believe is crucial for any compelling EV: the ability to easily and intuitively switch between Drive (D) and regenerative braking mode (B) while driving, with minimal distraction. I really hope the design team at Scout considers this carefully for their upcoming vehicles.

VW has implemented this exceptionally well in their e-Golf, which I own and greatly appreciate. The traditional placement of the gear lever in the center console allows for a comfortable hand position and effortless toggling between D and B. This makes it second nature to switch between coasting and regen deceleration at various levels, enhancing the driving experience and efficiency.

Interestingly, even though newer VW models like the ID.7 (which isn't available in the U.S. market) have moved the gear selector to a side stalk, they have still managed to implement a smooth and intuitive way to switch between D and B. I'm attaching a photo of the stalk in ID.7.

Given that VW Group is behind Scout, I'm optimistic that this excellent design philosophy for D/B mode switching will trickle down to the Traveler and Terra models. It would be a significant factor for me, and I believe for many other EV enthusiasts, in seriously considering a Scout vehicle.

What are your thoughts on the importance of easily accessible D/B toggle?

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[MasterSpam]

That would be great, I live in the hills, and use 'B' mode a lot in our Pirus, works great for decal as the thing won't slow down when you let off the gas. I find myself not driving my truck much as gas is closing in on $4 a gallon.

Exactly as I live in the mountains of NM.

 

[FernandoR211]

I dont understand why you would ever not want to run in regen mode? I own a Tesla so there is no other option for me, but why would ever not want to be generating juice for your battery pack?

 

[cyure]

I dont understand why you would ever not want to run in regen mode? I own a Tesla so there is no other option for me, but why would ever not want to be generating juice for your battery pack?

Welcome to the community.

 

[LastDayScout]

I wanted to share my thoughts on a feature that I believe is crucial for any compelling EV: the ability to easily and intuitively switch between Drive (D) and regenerative braking mode (B) while driving, with minimal distraction. I really hope the design team at Scout considers this carefully for their upcoming vehicles.

VW has implemented this exceptionally well in their e-Golf, which I own and greatly appreciate. The traditional placement of the gear lever in the center console allows for a comfortable hand position and effortless toggling between D and B. This makes it second nature to switch between coasting and regen deceleration at various levels, enhancing the driving experience and efficiency.

Interestingly, even though newer VW models like the ID.7 (which isn't available in the U.S. market) have moved the gear selector to a side stalk, they have still managed to implement a smooth and intuitive way to switch between D and B. I'm attaching a photo of the stalk in ID.7.

Given that VW Group is behind Scout, I'm optimistic that this excellent design philosophy for D/B mode switching will trickle down to the Traveler and Terra models. It would be a significant factor for me, and I believe for many other EV enthusiasts, in seriously considering a Scout vehicle.

What are your thoughts on the importance of easily accessible D/B toggle?

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BMW iX does it well too. Just double click the drive selector on the console. I live on flat ground and use it all the time to aid in one pedal driving…my preferred mode.

 

[cyure]

BMW iX does it well too. Just double click the drive selector on the console. I live on flat ground and use it all the time to aid in one pedal driving…my preferred mode.

Do we think one pedal drive will work when the Harvester is running? Would the Harvester change anything with regen as far as driving goes? And this may just be a question we don’t know the answer to yet.

 

[LastDayScout]

Do we think one pedal drive will work when the Harvester is running? Would the Harvester change anything with regen as far as driving goes? And this may just be a question we don’t know the answer to yet.

Great question! I don’t think it has been asked yet. I have no idea.

 

[J Alynn]

I wanted to share my thoughts on a feature that I believe is crucial for any compelling EV: the ability to easily and intuitively switch between Drive (D) and regenerative braking mode (B) while driving, with minimal distraction. I really hope the design team at Scout considers this carefully for their upcoming vehicles.

VW has implemented this exceptionally well in their e-Golf, which I own and greatly appreciate. The traditional placement of the gear lever in the center console allows for a comfortable hand position and effortless toggling between D and B. This makes it second nature to switch between coasting and regen deceleration at various levels, enhancing the driving experience and efficiency.

Interestingly, even though newer VW models like the ID.7 (which isn't available in the U.S. market) have moved the gear selector to a side stalk, they have still managed to implement a smooth and intuitive way to switch between D and B. I'm attaching a photo of the stalk in ID.7.

Given that VW Group is behind Scout, I'm optimistic that this excellent design philosophy for D/B mode switching will trickle down to the Traveler and Terra models. It would be a significant factor for me, and I believe for many other EV enthusiasts, in seriously considering a Scout vehicle.

What are your thoughts on the importance of easily accessible D/B toggle?

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[R1TVT]

Do we think one pedal drive will work when the Harvester is running? Would the Harvester change anything with regen as far as driving goes? And this may just be a question we don’t know the answer to yet.

Yes, Harvester is just generating electricity and sending it to the battery - has no impact on one pedal driving.
The only time regen may be impacted is if the battery is full, then there would likely be a message like "regen limited"...

 

[oldgeeksguide]

I wanted to share my thoughts on a feature that I believe is crucial for any compelling EV: the ability to easily and intuitively switch between Drive (D) and regenerative braking mode (B) while driving, with minimal distraction. I really hope the design team at Scout considers this carefully for their upcoming vehicles.

VW has implemented this exceptionally well in their e-Golf, which I own and greatly appreciate. The traditional placement of the gear lever in the center console allows for a comfortable hand position and effortless toggling between D and B. This makes it second nature to switch between coasting and regen deceleration at various levels, enhancing the driving experience and efficiency.

Interestingly, even though newer VW models like the ID.7 (which isn't available in the U.S. market) have moved the gear selector to a side stalk, they have still managed to implement a smooth and intuitive way to switch between D and B. I'm attaching a photo of the stalk in ID.7.

Given that VW Group is behind Scout, I'm optimistic that this excellent design philosophy for D/B mode switching will trickle down to the Traveler and Terra models. It would be a significant factor for me, and I believe for many other EV enthusiasts, in seriously considering a Scout vehicle.

What are your thoughts on the importance of easily accessible D/B toggle?

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Welcome!
There’s a lot of discussion about paddles/regen/one pedal driving in other threads, you might find those discussions interesting. The way Hyundai/kia has implemented paddles, it covers “D”, “B” and several levels in between, I find it very convenient and intuitive.

 

[tuvok]

I dont understand why you would ever not want to run in regen mode? I own a Tesla so there is no other option for me, but why would ever not want to be generating juice for your battery pack?

The short answer, for me, boils down to "maximizing momentum". Coasting is the most efficient form of driving an EV since it never uses electricity.

Think about it: when you're coasting, the car uses its kinetic energy to keep rolling without drawing power from the battery and without the sometimes tricky balancing act between the regen brake and the accelerator pedal that you find in some EVs (like Teslas). There are situations where this pure coasting (no regen braking) not only feels much better but also can even be more efficient:

• Smooth Highway Cruising: On open highways with light or no traffic, simply letting the car glide in a "D" mode with no regen feels much more natural and can be more efficient for maintaining speed.
• Effortless Downhill Travel: Imagine approaching a long, gentle downhill. Coasting will carry you all the way down with ease. If regenerative braking kicks in, it slows you down, and you'd need to use more energy later to get back up to speed.
• Familiar Feel for New EV Drivers: For those of us coming from traditional automatic transmission cars, the feeling of the car just rolling when you lift your foot off the accelerator is what we're used to. Having that coasting option can make the transition to EVs feel more intuitive.

Ultimately, it comes down to giving the driver a convenient way to choose between a traditional "D" mode with full coasting and a "B" mode with regenerative braking. If you love having regen on all the time, you can just leave it in "B"!

 

[cyure]

The short answer, for me, boils down to "maximizing momentum". Coasting is the most efficient form of driving an EV since it never uses electricity.

Think about it: when you're coasting, the car uses its kinetic energy to keep rolling without drawing power from the battery and without the sometimes tricky balancing act between the regen brake and the accelerator pedal that you find in some EVs (like Teslas). There are situations where this pure coasting (no regen braking) not only feels much better but also can even be more efficient:

• Smooth Highway Cruising: On open highways with light or no traffic, simply letting the car glide in a "D" mode with no regen feels much more natural and can be more efficient for maintaining speed.
• Effortless Downhill Travel: Imagine approaching a long, gentle downhill. Coasting will carry you all the way down with ease. If regenerative braking kicks in, it slows you down, and you'd need to use more energy later to get back up to speed.
• Familiar Feel for New EV Drivers: For those of us coming from traditional automatic transmission cars, the feeling of the car just rolling when you lift your foot off the accelerator is what we're used to. Having that coasting option can make the transition to EVs feel more intuitive.

Ultimately, it comes down to giving the driver a convenient way to choose between a traditional "D" mode with full coasting and a "B" mode with regenerative braking. If you love having regen on all the time, you can just leave it in "B"!

Welcome to the community!

 

[Cranky Canuck]

I dont understand why you would ever not want to run in regen mode? I own a Tesla so there is no other option for me, but why would ever not want to be generating juice for your battery pack?

Regen is still available on the brake pedal, B mode just increases the amount of "engine braking" you feel when you release the accelerator pedal. Not all EVs for drivers to use one-pedal driving. Some let users customize the feel of the car so you can coast, or make it feel like an automatic, or have one-pedal driving.

Personally I hate one-pedal driving which is one of the many reasons I did not buy a Tesla.

"B-mode" is a similar concept to the paddle discussion in another thread. It's just a different way of letting drivers customize the amount of deceleration when they take their foot off the go-pedal.

 

[LastDayScout]

Regen is still available on the brake pedal, B mode just increases the amount of "engine braking" you feel when you release the accelerator pedal. Not all EVs for drivers to use one-pedal driving. Some let users customize the feel of the car so you can coast, or make it feel like an automatic, or have one-pedal driving.

Personally I hate one-pedal driving which is one of the many reasons I did not buy a Tesla.

"B-mode" is a similar concept to the paddle discussion in another thread. It's just a different way of letting drivers customize the amount of deceleration when they take their foot off the go-pedal.

And I like "B", max regen...yet @Cranky Canuck and I are still friends even though we like different things and have different opinions

 

[J Alynn]

And I like "B", max regen...yet @Cranky Canuck and I are still friends even though we like different things and have different opinions

How is that possible-some might ask??? How do you each feel about bacon??? There’s a good debate between a southerner and a Canadian!
You each get 100 word count——DEBATE!

 

[LastDayScout]

How is that possible-some might ask??? How do you each feel about bacon??? There’s a good debate between a southerner and a Canadian!
You each get 100 word count——DEBATE!

Bacon is not the same thing as ham. Mic drop.

 

[J Alynn]

Bacon is not the same thing as ham. Mic drop.

And so it begins -hahahaha!

 

[strider]

Here we go again. This is needless complexity to emulate a stick shift ICE vehicle that has no use/place in an EV. Please have all regen on the accelerator. I don't want to be fumbling with 26 different hand controls to adjust my speed. Put motor control on the right pedal and brake control on the left pedal. This way I have access to all of the regen i need at any time without having to move my eyes or hands. KISS.

I am open to very small paddles behind the wheel as it seems people like them but do not make them mandatory. Please make full regen OPD available as a driver profile setting that is maintained for all drives until changed.

Please also do not put regen on the brake pedal. When towing I want to know when the friction brakes are being used so I can ensure I don't overheat them. Also, I have yet to see anyone seamlessly blend the transition - there is always a bump when the friction brakes engage.