I watched it this morning, I hate that these are the podcasts that are now starting to come out… I think Scout Motors need to drop a hot piece of exciting information to grab everyone’s attention, because it seems people are starting to get bored.
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Yeah, I’m concerned with all this “software defined vehicle” stuff that the limiting factor for how long you can keep your car going will depend on the attention span of the manufacturer. Ie, you can upgrade batteries and motors, but if the car os stops getting updates you’ll get stuck.
Yup. That’s why I hope Scout, doesn’t do that, and that they will allow for power train upgrades. If they want to make a true family oriented and community oriented society. Keeping the 2028 Scouts on the road with let’s say the 2035 scouts. That would be huge. And it would sure put a smile on someone’s face. Like when people in newer f150s see my f150.
What's inside keeping it real with on howmuch batteries actually degrade. Really helps me solidify my choice for reserving the Harvester.
I have a suspicion @SpaceEVDriver is going to totally debunk this in regard to believing all EV’s have these issues. I suspect this is just a Teslas shortcoming but since I’m still new to EV I’ll wait to see what the knowledgeable folks on this forum know about these shortcomings
I’m also curious why this guy keeps buying these if he keeps seeing all these issues. Seems like a biased presentation of Tesla issues but what do I actually know?
9 tesla is about ten years is crazyz
I came to the video expecting to have my negative bias against brand-T confirmed. Instead, there's very little negative in the video, IMO.
The Roadster battery had NCA chemistry, which has a 500-1000 cycle lifetime. And he drove it for less than 800 miles in five years. So that lower battery lifetime doesn't surprise me. I don't know of any automotive manufacturers who use NCA chemistry anymore. And any vehicle you neglect so badly that it's only being driven 160 miles a year is likely to have issues after 5 years.
Not sure we have enough information about the other two. Most EVs have a modular battery pack so only one cluster of cells should need replacing in an instance of bad cells. I know some brand-T batteries are not modular, but I don't know which. I hope Scout sticks to modular batteries.
Note that neither of those two failures were degradation issues. They were manufacturing issues that led to instantaneous failure. We don't have enough information to know why.
A Harvester isn't going to be any more immune to battery issues and it'll have an extra complication with the engine. If you don't trust Scout's engineering team, I'm not sure why you would choose to add a second potential failure pathway.
To me the main thing to take away is that the battery swap on the Model S was done in less than a day. Try that with an ICE failure. And try getting the engine covered after 5 years/60k miles. A powertrain replacement in an ICE would take a week or more to complete once the engine was in the shop and would run north of $20k for a vehicle with 150k miles.
Another thing to take away is the inconvenience of not having a locally-capable service center. I still hope Scout will extend its service tech training to independent garages throughout the country, will offer the training for free, and will allow warranty/recall work and billing.
The Roadster battery had NCA chemistry, which has a 500-1000 cycle lifetime. And he drove it for less than 800 miles in five years. So that lower battery lifetime doesn't surprise me. I don't know of any automotive manufacturers who use NCA chemistry anymore. And any vehicle you neglect so badly that it's only being driven 160 miles a year is likely to have issues after 5 years.
Not sure we have enough information about the other two. Most EVs have a modular battery pack so only one cluster of cells should need replacing in an instance of bad cells. I know some brand-T batteries are not modular, but I don't know which. I hope Scout sticks to modular batteries.
Note that neither of those two failures were degradation issues. They were manufacturing issues that led to instantaneous failure. We don't have enough information to know why.
A Harvester isn't going to be any more immune to battery issues and it'll have an extra complication with the engine. If you don't trust Scout's engineering team, I'm not sure why you would choose to add a second potential failure pathway.
To me the main thing to take away is that the battery swap on the Model S was done in less than a day. Try that with an ICE failure. And try getting the engine covered after 5 years/60k miles. A powertrain replacement in an ICE would take a week or more to complete once the engine was in the shop and would run north of $20k for a vehicle with 150k miles.
Another thing to take away is the inconvenience of not having a locally-capable service center. I still hope Scout will extend its service tech training to independent garages throughout the country, will offer the training for free, and will allow warranty/recall work and billing.
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Nissan recalled 444,000 vehicles for engine failures
www.wardsauto.com
VW / Audi recall 74,000 vehicles for engine failures
Toyota recall another 127,000 vehicles after a first round of recalling 102,000 for engine failures
GM is recalling a second round after a 721,000 vehicle recall for engine failures
Ford recall 125,000 vehicles due to engine fire risk
haagglobal.com
Nissan recalls nearly 444K vehicles for engine failures
The powerplants may have manufacturing defects that can lead to failure, according to the NHTSA.
VW / Audi recall 74,000 vehicles for engine failures
Engine Failure Risk in Volkswagen, Audi Brands Leads to Recall 74K Vehicles
A Volkswagen recall due to engine failures affects 2021-2023 Audi Q5 and Q5 Sportback and 2022-2023 Volkswagen Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport.
californialemonattorneys.com
Toyota recall another 127,000 vehicles after a first round of recalling 102,000 for engine failures
GM is recalling a second round after a 721,000 vehicle recall for engine failures
NHTSA opens fresh investigation into GM vehicles over possible engine failures
The new engineering analysis covers 286,000 vehicles that were part of NHTSA’s original investigation but weren’t covered under an earlier recall.
www.usatoday.com
Ford recall 125,000 vehicles due to engine fire risk
Ford Motor Company Recall Due to Compartment Fire Risk
Ford recalls specific 2020-2023 Escape, 2022-2023 Maverick, and 2021-2023 Corsair vehicles with 2.5L HEV or PHEV engines due to engine failure risk.
haagglobal.com
The average age of vehicles on the road today is more than double what it was in the 1960s.
The Average age of a vehicle on the road today is 12.8 years. But that's because cars are more expensive and people are keeping their sh*t boxes on the road. And that leads to people not maintaining them #cheapo!, and car accidents due to unsafe cars trying to be driven the extra mile.
In the 1960s people were keeping their cars for ten years or more until they reached 100,000miles when they would scrap them.
In the 1960s people were keeping their cars for ten years or more until they reached 100,000miles when they would scrap them.
Let's consider facts vs. dubious sources, clicks and $$$...
Here are the FACTS:
US Dept of Energy: on average .5% of EV's had a battery failure from 2016-present
Top 5 Leading causes of accidents
Here are the FACTS:
US Dept of Energy: on average .5% of EV's had a battery failure from 2016-present
Top 5 Leading causes of accidents
- Distracted driving
- Speeding
- Impaired driving
- Drowsy driving
- Reckless driving
Well launch already delayed from 2026 to (late-) 2027. Such things happen.
Do my eyes deceive me or are there no Honda recalls currently. Maybe they are coming out of their slumpNissan recalled 444,000 vehicles for engine failures
Nissan recalls nearly 444K vehicles for engine failures
The powerplants may have manufacturing defects that can lead to failure, according to the NHTSA.
VW / Audi recall 74,000 vehicles for engine failures
Engine Failure Risk in Volkswagen, Audi Brands Leads to Recall 74K Vehicles
A Volkswagen recall due to engine failures affects 2021-2023 Audi Q5 and Q5 Sportback and 2022-2023 Volkswagen Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport.californialemonattorneys.com
Toyota recall another 127,000 vehicles after a first round of recalling 102,000 for engine failures
GM is recalling a second round after a 721,000 vehicle recall for engine failures
NHTSA opens fresh investigation into GM vehicles over possible engine failures
The new engineering analysis covers 286,000 vehicles that were part of NHTSA’s original investigation but weren’t covered under an earlier recall.www.usatoday.com
Ford recall 125,000 vehicles due to engine fire risk
Ford Motor Company Recall Due to Compartment Fire Risk
Ford recalls specific 2020-2023 Escape, 2022-2023 Maverick, and 2021-2023 Corsair vehicles with 2.5L HEV or PHEV engines due to engine failure risk.
I think much of the initial delay was due to building the plant and infrastructure. They are moving at an incredible pace so I think initially they didn’t realize the time it would take to get the production facility up and running for the testing phases
You first stated that people don't keep their cars as long as they used to. The average age of a vehicle in 1965 was about 5 years, not 10; today it's about 13 years. Then you changed the goal to be something about safety. Which is also inaccurate. The deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled is significantly (almost 5x) lower today than it was in the 1960s. Despite the higher average age of cars. And today's fatality rate has little to do with vehicle age, it's to do with the things @R1TVT noted.
Cars in the 1950s–60s used less corrosion protection (bare steel, thinner galvanizing, fewer coatings). Rust and body rot often made vehicles unsafe or uneconomical to repair well before modern mileage thresholds.
Major parts wore out quicker and were more expensive to repair relative to vehicle value.
Aftermarket parts and availability had much more variability and repair cycles were more frequent.
Buying new was often cheaper than doing repairs.
Road quality was not as good.
Trade-in incentives and dealer practices favored earlier replacement.
Major parts wore out quicker and were more expensive to repair relative to vehicle value.
Aftermarket parts and availability had much more variability and repair cycles were more frequent.
Buying new was often cheaper than doing repairs.
Road quality was not as good.
Trade-in incentives and dealer practices favored earlier replacement.
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