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Exactly.

In 2000, the average age of cars and light trucks was 8 years. That average age has grown by 50% to about 12 years for both and by 75% to 14 years for cars alone. And yes, cars are more reliable now than they’ve ever been in the past, but they're also significantly more expensive relative to wages now than they ever were before. In relative-to-wages terms, their cost is creeping up to the cost of a house compared with the 1980s and earlier.
My first house was $132,000 in 1991. That’s the cost of a loaded R1S. Thats just nuts to me.
 
The US is falling further behind.
Nine!!!!!

It turns out Lucid disputes this number.

 
The US is falling further behind.
Lucid failing isn't enough to tip the scale of the US overall, more like it wiggles the needle a little bit then the needle settles back to where it was before.

Quick Lucid story, I remember meeting a Lucid VP at a dinner party a couple years ago around the time they were doing layoffs. Great guy, cool background at other auto manufacturers, but his response to the [then] recent layoffs was a bit surprising. Instead of saying the health of the company isn't a problem because they're taking ABC actions to fix the business or they're launching XYZ products which will boost sales, he said none of this was a problem because they had Saudi money and they'll get bailed out no problem. That sense of entitlement bothered me and while he was ultimately right, the Saudi's did inject another $1.5B into the business, when happens when daddy doesn't want to open his wallet anymore?
 
Lucid failing isn't enough to tip the scale of the US overall, more like it wiggles the needle a little bit then the needle settles back to where it was before.

Quick Lucid story, I remember meeting a Lucid VP at a dinner party a couple years ago around the time they were doing layoffs. Great guy, cool background at other auto manufacturers, but his response to the [then] recent layoffs was a bit surprising. Instead of saying the health of the company isn't a problem because they're taking ABC actions to fix the business or they're launching XYZ products which will boost sales, he said none of this was a problem because they had Saudi money and they'll get bailed out no problem. That sense of entitlement bothered me and while he was ultimately right, the Saudi's did inject another $1.5B into the business, when happens when daddy doesn't want to open his wallet anymore?
It’s not just Lucid. It’s all of the North America market.

The rest of the world’s EV market grew substantially in 2024 and the first half of 2025. The US market is close to stalling.

 
This is something that’s difficult to convey to most people.

I do a 1200 mile road trip at least once a month. The distance between one set of reliable fast chargers on this trip is about 230 miles. At freeway speeds, I can make that drive, but I sometimes get worried, especially if the high head winds rise up. I can also find other chargers, depending on the day, time, etc.

And sometimes when I’m gone my partner does a 300 mile round trip work trip with a 5000 ft elevation gain at the end of the trip. The charger situation at her office is unreliable. There are DCFCs around and on the way home, so it’s not critical.

We also have a lot of charging desert around us. North is pretty bad. South is fine. West is okay. East is okay. Northeast is the worst. There are some long, long stretches that worry even people with gas vehicles.

Do we need 300+ miles range? I wouldn’t say we need it. But we’ve found it makes our road trips nearly identical to our previous 25 years of road tripping, so it’s a good fit for us.
 
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Or, as Recurrent puts it: "A 200-mile EV could handle 99% of these daily usage patterns, yet manufacturers are adding cost and weight for range that often goes unused."

Ehhhhh hold up. At 200mi range charging to 80% you're really at 160mi and I imagine you're not driving to 0%, we charge somewhere in the 20% range so let's be generous and say 20%. Ok now your 200mi range is effectively 120mi in ideal conditions. Average round trip commute in the US is just over 50mi now. Ok so you really get 2 commutes before you have to charge...oh wait it's hot/cold out now or you had to run an errand or had a busy day now it's every day. Whoops forgot to charge last night now you're screwed. Etc. etc. I want a 300mi+ range not because I'm driving 300mi every day, it's so that I don't have to worry about charging it all the time and/or can deal with variances in usage.
 
Or, as Recurrent puts it: "A 200-mile EV could handle 99% of these daily usage patterns, yet manufacturers are adding cost and weight for range that often goes unused."

Ehhhhh hold up. At 200mi range charging to 80% you're really at 160mi and I imagine you're not driving to 0%, we charge somewhere in the 20% range so let's be generous and say 20%. Ok now your 200mi range is effectively 120mi in ideal conditions. Average round trip commute in the US is just over 50mi now. Ok so you really get 2 commutes before you have to charge...oh wait it's hot/cold out now or you had to run an errand or had a busy day now it's every day. Whoops forgot to charge last night now you're screwed. Etc. etc. I want a 300mi+ range not because I'm driving 300mi every day, it's so that I don't have to worry about charging it all the time and/or can deal with variances in usage.
This is where I’m at.

I have had battery anxiety for years with my cellphones and don’t want to obsess over keeping my vehicle charged because of such a slim margin for error.
 
Or, as Recurrent puts it: "A 200-mile EV could handle 99% of these daily usage patterns, yet manufacturers are adding cost and weight for range that often goes unused."

Ehhhhh hold up. At 200mi range charging to 80% you're really at 160mi and I imagine you're not driving to 0%, we charge somewhere in the 20% range so let's be generous and say 20%. Ok now your 200mi range is effectively 120mi in ideal conditions. Average round trip commute in the US is just over 50mi now. Ok so you really get 2 commutes before you have to charge...oh wait it's hot/cold out now or you had to run an errand or had a busy day now it's every day. Whoops forgot to charge last night now you're screwed. Etc. etc. I want a 300mi+ range not because I'm driving 300mi every day, it's so that I don't have to worry about charging it all the time and/or can deal with variances in usage.
I plug in my Lightning and Mustang every night and charge to 95% and 85%, respectively (because I’m too lazy to change the Mustang’s value up to 95%). If you can, you should always be charging. There’s no reason not to.

The old myth of not charging above 80% is misunderstood and incorrect for home charging. When on a road trip, it often makes sense not to charge once the charge rate drops significantly, which happens around 80% for most EVs. But there’s no reason not to charge higher while at home. And there’s no reason not to come home with less than 5%. Though most people will very rarely do so. You have more like 90-95% of the battery readily available to you while commuting and doing around-town errand-running.

There’s truly zero struggle with this, IF you’re privileged enough to have a home charger that can recover the charge from your daily commuting.
Obviously if someone is unable to charge at home, this changes things and greater range becomes more important.
 
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