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[Cranky Canuck]

To get off of the topic of Scout BEV platform not making it for a bit after EREV production starts.

Anyone watch the review by Auto Focus on aptera? He talks about how it’s pretty much free to drive because of the Solar.

Here’s my question if Aptera goes mainstream, and gas companies are like crap we don’t have much control since we don’t make sun light, like how we help produce electricity. Do we think Gas companies will talk with leaders, and make a Sun Tax?

No, the gas companies already know what the future looks like. That's why they've been putting out so much FUD and misinformation for the past two decades or so about EVs.

The call is already coming from inside the house my man. They're already working against consumer interests and have hired the exact same marketing firms as the cigarette industry did to spread their BS and keep the oil train going as long as they can.

A lot of the myths and other non-sense people skeptical of EVs say on here are well worn oil and gas industry talking points that simply get repeated over and over again by talking heads and so-called "experts". I try to disprove the myths wherever I can by using facts and personal experience/anecdotes but people have a bias towards the status quo so it's hard to change minds when they're naturally afraid of a "new" thing they don't really understand and have heard a lot of negative things about.

 

[cyure]

I think there’s a typo or missing word? Tire rotations every 18k miles? Tire replacement should be in the 40k to 60k miles realm.

He said he’s a lead foot and it was replace every 18,000.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I've been big into the finance and economics space lately and there are a lot of people talking about the automotive sector and comparing it to the old sub-prime mortgage sector. Some really smart and experienced people seem to think the next crash will come from either auto or private equity. Seeing data like this reminds me of 2007 when the sub-prime mortgage defaults started increasing but everyone ignored it. I'm starting to think the US auto market might be the first domino.

AI as well. It’s a massive bubble with a negative return on investment for 95% of companies that have incorporated it. It’s a very bad bet. But its value keeps growing. For no good reason other than being propped up by speculators.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

He said he’s a lead foot and it was replace every 18,000.

Okay, that’s his own darned fault, then.

 

[cyure]

As would I. If the BEV version is scrapped like Stellantis did with the Ram then I wouldn't buy anything from the company and probably get a used EV9 or something.

We aren’t thinking this way people! Positive thoughts! We aren’t putting negativity into the universe!!

 

[cyure]

We dont know when the generator kicks on. We don't know if it can charge the battery overnight while camping. We don't know if the generator can power the vehicle when in tow. We dont know if after 495 miles can one put more gas in and go or will it need a supercharge. We don't know how that engine will effect payload and or trailer tongue weight capacity. I would guess these unknowns will effect 90 % or the folks like me that pull an off road trailer and use the scout on long out door trips in the Rockies.

We don’t know what we don’t know.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

AI as well. It’s a massive bubble with a negative return on investment for 95% of companies that have incorporated it. It’s a very bad bet. But its value keeps growing. For no good reason other than being propped up by speculators.

Agreed. And if you actually look at the fracking industry it really looks like a giant ponzi scheme where they constantly need to open new wells to pay for the old wells. It's a house of cards that will one day come falling down once the market gets spooked enough.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

We were out to dinner about 3-4 weeks ago and watched a car get repossessed in the parking lot and that guy was in and out in no time. Nice Lexus RX

The speed at which a tow truck can remove a car is wild. And people think some encrypted communications between their fob and their car keeps the car safe.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

The speed at which a tow truck can remove a car is wild. And people think some encrypted communications between their fob and their car keeps the car safe.

We lived in Eastern Europe when I was a teen and I remember someone telling us that immobilizers and alarms and stuff don't really matter because if the mafia want's your Volvo 850 (which it turns out they did!) they'll just drive up next to it one day with a flatbed & crane and just take it.

Once our Volvo was stolen we bought a used Reno Cleo and drove that until we came back to Canada lol No one wants to steal a beater car!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Agreed. And if you actually look at the fracking industry it really looks like a giant ponzi scheme where they constantly need to open new wells to pay for the old wells. It's a house of cards that will one day come falling down once the market gets spooked enough.

The cost of natural gas is poised to increase very, very quickly. I suspect by the end of the year electricity costs will increase by an alarming rate (tens of percents to close to 100%).

 

[cyure]

No, the gas companies already know what the future looks like. That's why they've been putting out so much FUD and misinformation for the past two decades or so about EVs.

The call is already coming from inside the house my man. They're already working against consumer interests and have hired the exact same marketing firms as the cigarette industry did to spread their BS and keep the oil train going as long as they can.

A lot of the myths and other non-sense people skeptical of EVs say on here are well worn oil and gas industry talking points that simply get repeated over and over again by talking heads and so-called "experts". I try to disprove the myths wherever I can by using facts and personal experience/anecdotes but people have a bias towards the status quo so it's hard to change minds when they're naturally afraid of a "new" thing they don't really understand and have heard a lot of negative things about.

This is so true! They make it sound scary. For example my husband, he never had an issue adopting new tech. Slept in line for the first iPhone, had minidiscs and DAT players, the first DVD players, VHS-C camcorders, etc, etc. he was always first on the block. I just keep telling him the Scout is “new” but not new like those other things he bought and he never thought twice about those things. There was no one telling him don’t get rid of your flip phone, that iPhone is scary. But in all the talking about the BEV he has said things like oh it’s going to take an hour to charge, all the chargers will be broken, etc etc. It’s hard to change that narrative when it’s so prevalent. Honestly I was scared to commit to the BEV, but I’m all in now!

 

[rfk]

Anticipated production start has already been delayed once, from 2026 to 2027. Suppose it could happen again, w/ one or both powertrains.

"Production is scheduled to kick off in 2026, with the Scout vehicles set to be built in a new $2 billion factory in Blythewood, South Carolina, dedicated to the revived brand."

I can wait longer for BEV but it just means I'll likely buy FHEV cars for wife and oldest kid before me, then pushing dad's turn out even further.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

This is so true! They make it sound scary. For example my husband, he never had an issue adopting new tech. Slept in line for the first iPhone, had minidiscs and DAT players, the first DVD players, VHS-C camcorders, etc, etc. he was always first on the block. I just keep telling him the Scout is “new” but not new like those other things he bought and he never thought twice about those things. There was no one telling him don’t get rid of your flip phone, that iPhone is scary. But in all the talking about the BEV he has said things like oh it’s going to take an hour to charge, all the chargers will be broken, etc etc. It’s hard to change that narrative when it’s so prevalent. Honestly I was scared to commit to the BEV, but I’m all in now!

It's funny you mention that because the "Pathways Alliance" here in Canada which is openly a cartel of tar sand oil companies ran a series of tv and radio ads there asked a series of questions like "what if your car didn't work, and you couldn't use your gas furnace, etc etc" posing a series of doomsday scenarios that sounded pretty scary with the punchline being that all of those things are brought to you by oil and gas. Except here I was sitting in my EV, with a home heated by an electric cold climate heat pump, running on nuclear and hydro electricity and I'm thinking to myself none of the stuff they're implying in their ad apply to me because I've already made the transition away from fossil fuels and it's fine. We ALREADY have all the technology we need for most people to not have to depend on oil and gas companies.

But their ad was clearly meant to reinforce the status quo and create "fear of the new thing" in less-informed consumers.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

The cost of natural gas is poised to increase very, very quickly. I suspect by the end of the year electricity costs will increase by an alarming rate (tens of percents to close to 100%).

Maybe in the US but that's much less of a risk here in Canada. We have a surplus of methane gas and most of our electricity is already non-emitting so if the gas plants get even more expensive utilities will ramp up their grid battery installations (which they're already doing). Either way I no longer us methane for anything anymore so I think we're pretty insulated.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

We dont know when the generator kicks on. We don't know if it can charge the battery overnight while camping. We don't know if the generator can power the vehicle when in tow. We dont know if after 495 miles can one put more gas in and go or will it need a supercharge. We don't know how that engine will effect payload and or trailer tongue weight capacity. I would guess these unknowns will effect 90 % or the folks like me that pull an off road trailer and use the scout on long out door trips in the Rockies.

The generator kicks in when it needs to. Or when you manually activate it. The goal of the system is always to stay ahead of energy consumption before the battery is depleted. So in normal driving, you would run out of fuel for the engine before you run out of battery. Meaning you can fill the tank with fuel and continue driving. You can also pull over (or camp/boondock) and charge the battery with the gasoline engine as well. You can run the engine while off-roading as well. The system is pretty smart when it is armed with the current load on the electric motors, current, and continued energy consumption, and even the route you may have entered in the nav system. While we have to certify the vehicle for a given EPA cycle test, the range will vary (just like any vehicle) depending on use and conditions. Final tow ratings will come after we complete development and testing. The teams here are trying to maximize as much as possible.

 

[cyure]

The generator kicks in when it needs to. Or when you manually activate it. The goal of the system is always to stay ahead of energy consumption before the battery is depleted. So in normal driving, you would run out of fuel for the engine before you run out of battery. Meaning you can fill the tank with fuel and continue driving. You can also pull over (or camp/boondock) and charge the battery with the gasoline engine as well. You can run the engine while off-roading as well. The system is pretty smart when it is armed with the current load on the electric motors, current, and continued energy consumption, and even the route you may have entered in the nav system. While we have to certify the vehicle for a given EPA cycle test, the range will vary (just like any vehicle) depending on use and conditions. Final tow ratings will come after we complete development and testing. The teams here are trying to maximize as much as possible.

Hey Harvester people, this looks like answers to some of the questions!!!

 

[chucchinchilla]

We dont know when the generator kicks on. We don't know if it can charge the battery overnight while camping. We don't know if the generator can power the vehicle when in tow. We dont know if after 495 miles can one put more gas in and go or will it need a supercharge. We don't know how that engine will effect payload and or trailer tongue weight capacity. I would guess these unknowns will effect 90 % or the folks like me that pull an off road trailer and use the scout on long out door trips in the Rockies.

We do know. You will have 3 settings...
Auto: Will automatically charge the battery when it hits a certain threshold that you can set.
EV Only: Harvester system is off
Max: Stays on all the time in the event you need all the power such as when towing.

You will also have Outdoor mode for camping/etc. allowing you to use the outlets/etc. and can tap into the Harvester for more energy if need be. Yes you should be able to fill it up after 500mi and keep going another 350mi per the range of range extender only but YMMV based on conditions. Could you sit there parked and have the Harvester charge up the EV battery? Sure but I'd rather use an actual EV charger.

In the context of our original discussion, aka whether this will sway people to ditch EREV for more BEV, no I don't think so. If anything I could see this attracting even more customers to Harvester which is why Scott keeps calling this the key to Scout being a "50 state vehicle" because it fits many more use cases vs BEV only.

 

[cyure]

We do know. You will have 3 settings...
Auto: Will automatically charge the battery when it hits a certain threshold that you can set.
EV Only: Harvester system is off
Max: Stays on all the time in the event you need all the power such as when towing.

You will also have Outdoor mode for camping/etc. allowing you to use the outlets/etc. and can tap into the Harvester for more energy if need be. Yes you should be able to fill it up after 500mi and keep going another 350mi per the range of range extender only but YMMV based on conditions. Could you sit there parked and have the Harvester charge up the EV battery? Sure but I'd rather use an actual EV charger.

In the context of our original discussion, aka whether this will sway people to ditch EREV for more BEV, no I don't think so. If anything I could see this attracting even more customers to Harvester which is why Scott keeps calling this the key to Scout being a "50 state vehicle" because it fits many more use cases vs BEV only.

Did you see what Jamie posted in response to that post?

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Oct 21, 2025

We dont know when the generator kicks on. We don't know if it can charge the battery overnight while camping. We don't know if the generator can power the vehicle when in tow. We dont know if after 495 miles can one put more gas in and go or will it need a supercharge. We don't know how that engine will effect payload and or trailer tongue weight capacity. I would guess these unknowns will effect 90 % or the folks like me that pull an off road trailer and use the scout on long out door trips in the Rockies.

The generator kicks in when it needs to. Or when you manually activate...

• Jamie@ScoutMotors

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[THil08]

The generator kicks in when it needs to. Or when you manually activate it. The goal of the system is always to stay ahead of energy consumption before the battery is depleted. So in normal driving, you would run out of fuel for the engine before you run out of battery. Meaning you can fill the tank with fuel and continue driving. You can also pull over (or camp/boondock) and charge the battery with the gasoline engine as well. You can run the engine while off-roading as well. The system is pretty smart when it is armed with the current load on the electric motors, current, and continued energy consumption, and even the route you may have entered in the nav system. While we have to certify the vehicle for a given EPA cycle test, the range will vary (just like any vehicle) depending on use and conditions. Final tow ratings will come after we complete development and testing. The teams here are trying to maximize as much as possible.

Sound perfect to me. Can't wait to have my traveler harvester in the driveway next to my 76' F150. Gonna be one cool spot at the local car shows im gonna have.

 

[chucchinchilla]

Did you see what Jamie posted in response to that post?

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Oct 21, 2025

We dont know when the generator kicks on. We don't know if it can charge the battery overnight while camping. We don't know if the generator can power the vehicle when in tow. We dont know if after 495 miles can one put more gas in and go or will it need a supercharge. We don't know how that engine will effect payload and or trailer tongue weight capacity. I would guess these unknowns will effect 90 % or the folks like me that pull an off road trailer and use the scout on long out door trips in the Rockies.

The generator kicks in when it needs to. Or when you manually activate...

• Jamie@ScoutMotors

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I was just replying directly so didn't see that but glad he did, thanks for pointing that out!