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[cyure]

This suggests the opposite. Given it cites VW troubles this wouldn't totally surprise me -

Scout Reportedly To Delay EV For Hybrid As VW Runs Low On Cash - The Autopian

Volkswagen subbrand Scout Motors will launch an electric truck and SUV in 2027, and one report indicates the first versions will be EREVs.

www.theautopian.com

This was Jamie’s response to that article. We truly don’t have any facts yet, this article is just speculation at this point

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Yesterday at 2:00 PM

@Jamie@ScoutMotors can we get clarification on this?

But in a business status this is probably the best move, to start getting money on the table. Since BEV reservations are already lower.

I don't care so much because well I'm all in for harvester.

Timing on everything is very much dependent on a number of variables and is not finalized. Lots of speculation out there.

• Jamie@ScoutMotors

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[maynard]

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Holy crap!

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

This was Jamie’s response to that article. We truly don’t have any facts yet, this article is just speculation at this point

Post in thread 'Extra, Extra....Read All About It!'

Yesterday at 2:00 PM

@Jamie@ScoutMotors can we get clarification on this?

But in a business status this is probably the best move, to start getting money on the table. Since BEV reservations are already lower.

I don't care so much because well I'm all in for harvester.

Timing on everything is very much dependent on a number of variables and is not finalized. Lots of speculation out there.

• Jamie@ScoutMotors

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@Jamie@ScoutMotors can we get clarification on this?

But in a business status this is probably the best move, to start getting money on the table. Since BEV reservations are already lower.

I don't care so much because well I'm all in for harvester.

Of course you don't care. You are in the I dont care generation. I care that both systems get released at the same time and every one is happy. I just can't help but think the Harvester is not going to do what 50% of the folks who have reserved them want them to do. Time will tell.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

Of course you don't care. You are in the I dont care generation. I care that both systems get released at the same time and every one is happy. I just can't help but think the Harvester is not going to do what 50% of the folks who have reserved them want them to do. Time will tell.

That seems a little harsh sir.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

That seems a little harsh sir.

Well in hindsight maybe a little. You have to admit not caring is maybe a little harsh as well. I will try and be more loving sir.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

What I don’t get in the article is they imply VW is hemorrhaging money so instead of ramping up the Scout with the BEV’s they should sit around and wait 4-6 months longer until the EREV is ready. That makes no sense to me. Start the BEVs, get the production ramped up so as soon as EREV’s are ready they can crank up the production line to push out the erev’s

The biggest issue for VW Group is contraction/competition in China. There are over 100 car manufacturers and the homegrown Chinese companies are making decent cars now. This is squeezing out foreign manufacturers used to significant sales (like VW) when there wasn't much competition. When 30-40% of your global sales come from one country and that percentage is falling rapidly, there are some tough decisions to make.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

Here’s a question. If the BEV is delayed a year, would you get an EREV instead of waiting? I asked myself this and wasn’t able to come up with a definitive answer.

Like Cure said it depends on how long it is delayed. Come summer of 2028 if the Bev is not available I will throw down in the latest quad motor Rivian. I would in no way shape or form go with a EREV.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

Well 1k is manageable. But well done on the hypothetical scenario. Brings reality to the chat

The question in the works is its probability going to be 5-10k more. Or maybe 60k is the base starting for both. Because technically harvester is missing about half the battery. Which could potentially equal to the price of harvester. Therefore making the same base price. Which in theory would make Scout probably the best American auto manufacturer out there. For having fair equal pricing. No EV gets cheaper because they are "saving the planet".

There is piece cost - meaning the cost of the individual parts. But there are also the R&D costs that have to be factored in. We are still a ways out from finalizing pricing, but we're obviously going to do all we can to bring as much value as we can.

 

[THil08]

The biggest issue for VW Group is contraction/competition in China. There are over 100 car manufacturers and the homegrown Chinese companies are making decent cars now. This is squeezing out foreign manufacturers used to significant sales (like VW) when there wasn't much competition. When 30-40% of your global sales come from one country and that percentage is falling rapidly, there are some tough decisions to make.

why cant VW pull out of china? seems it would be better off, sure its a huge market, but if they aren't selling might as well leave the market.

 

[THil08]

That seems a little harsh sir.

nah its cool. I consider me and Bart boys.

 

[Jamie@ScoutMotors]

why cant VW pull out of china? seems it would be better off, sure its a huge market, but if they aren't selling might as well leave the market.

Closing factories and laying people off are not easy things to do. They aren't at the point that they need to leave the market. They just need to make some big adjustments. Change never comes easy at big car companies.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

nah its cool. I consider me and Bart boys.

Thanks Thil now your making me feel like an ahrse. Go Scout! Grumpy old man on a Monday wishing he could retire.

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

How man. Grumpy old man with dementia thinks its Monday on Tuesday. Embarrassing

 

[chucchinchilla]

When did EREV development begin? I believe EREV came after BEV but was it near the beginning or just before the official debut? As Jamie explained, a pivot towards offering EREV first is only speculation however the numbers don't lie. Both this forum and the other forum are showing an 80% take rate for EREV and Scott has echo'd similar figures. The market has spoken.

If Scout has to prioritize one over the other, then it's EREV first which brings me back to my original question. If EREV development started much later (aka it's still in earlier stages of development) and EREV has to launch first, then I'm forecasting a delayed launch. Hopefully that's not the case and I fully expect a "no comment" from Scout on anything I said here, just trying to level set my expectations.

 

[maynard]

When did EREV development begin? I believe EREV came after BEV but was it near the beginning or just before the official debut? As Jamie explained, a pivot towards offering EREV first is only speculation however the numbers don't lie. Both this forum and the other forum are showing an 80% take rate for EREV and Scott has echo'd similar figures. The market has spoken.

If Scout has to prioritize one over the other, then it's EREV first which brings me back to my original question. If EREV development started much later (aka it's still in earlier stages of development) and EREV has to launch first, then I'm forecasting a delayed launch. Hopefully that's not the case and I fully expect a "no comment" from Scout on anything I said here, just trying to level set my expectations.

depressing but probably true...

 

[cyure]

depressing but probably true...

Until we have facts I’m staying hopeful. I’m back with faith and patience and I just want everyone to get what they want. I’m solidly in the BEV camp now and that’s where I’m
Planning to stay!

 

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

When did EREV development begin? I believe EREV came after BEV but was it near the beginning or just before the official debut? As Jamie explained, a pivot towards offering EREV first is only speculation however the numbers don't lie. Both this forum and the other forum are showing an 80% take rate for EREV and Scott has echo'd similar figures. The market has spoken.

If Scout has to prioritize one over the other, then it's EREV first which brings me back to my original question. If EREV development started much later (aka it's still in earlier stages of development) and EREV has to launch first, then I'm forecasting a delayed launch. Hopefully that's not the case and I fully expect a "no comment" from Scout on anything I said here, just trying to level set my expectations.

Great points but until the final details are figured out on what the EREV is going to do this 80% number is arbitrary. Unless i missed something all we know is the engine they plan to use. So many aspects have not been figured out. This has to effect 20% of EREV reservations. If I am correct that 60/40. Not enough to delay BEV.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I expect a delay of all production, but I would be surprised if there’s a delay of the BEV vs the EREV. In fact, I’d expect that if one is delayed relative to the other, it will be a delay of the EREV. The market only matters so much. Materials sourcing, engineering, and production are more important at this stage. The Harvester is a more complex vehicle with more parts; parts are more difficult to source; the random tariff rules changing every other day makes sourcing materials more costly and more unreliable; the engineering of an EREV designed for long-distance use has very few experienced players (BMW i3 REx, BYD Shark, Chevrolet Volt; Stellantis if they are ever successful) so there’s not a lot of experience to pull from; the Harvester has to go through additional testing and verification that the BEV doesn’t; the control software is more complex and requires additional development and debugging; the safety concerns are greater; the environmental testing is more involved; etc., etc., etc. Everything about the Harvester makes it more costly in time, R&D, and materials.

 

[Jasco]

I expect a delay of all production, but I would be surprised if there’s a delay of the BEV vs the EREV. In fact, I’d expect that if one is delayed relative to the other, it will be a delay of the EREV. The market only matters so much. Materials sourcing, engineering, and production are more important at this stage. The Harvester is a more complex vehicle with more parts; parts are more difficult to source; the random tariff rules changing every other day makes sourcing materials more costly and more unreliable; the engineering of an EREV designed for long-distance use has very few experienced players (BMW i3 REx, BYD Shark, Chevrolet Volt; Stellantis if they are ever successful) so there’s not a lot of experience to pull from; the Harvester has to go through additional testing and verification that the BEV doesn’t; the control software is more complex and requires additional development and debugging; the safety concerns are greater; the environmental testing is more involved; etc., etc., etc. Everything about the Harvester makes it more costly in time, R&D, and materials.

To quote THiL08 - "100%". EREVs are new territory. The control software alone could delay production significantly, especially if production batteries are not yet available. I am a little concerned though after listening to Scott's presentation at the UP.summit. BEV was not mentioned once when talking about the product and he said "The range extender, in my mind, is exactly what the market's looking for..." and then went on to extoll Harvester's virtues which are valid. But not mentioning the BEV option speaks volumes to me. Seems intentional for prepared remarks. The BEV didn't even make the slide deck and then there is this bit from one of the slides:

I hope I am simply reading too much into his talking points but if the trend continues I think we may have our answer. I am firmly in the BEV camp and am mildly concerned about a brand new company delivering new tech without a proven track record on a brand new platform and doing so on the current timeline. What could go wrong?

That said, Scout hasn't given me a solid reason to be concerned about the fate of the BEV so far and many reasons to be hopeful that they will honor their initial vision.

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[SpaceEVDriver]

To quote THiL08 - "100%". EREVs are new territory. The control software alone could delay production significantly, especially if production batteries are not yet available. I am a little concerned though after listening to Scott's presentation at the UP.summit. BEV was not mentioned once when talking about the product and he said "The range extender, in my mind, is exactly what the market's looking for..." and then went on to extoll Harvester's virtues which are valid. But not mentioning the BEV option speaks volumes to me. Seems intentional for prepared remarks. The BEV didn't even make the slide deck and then there is this bit from one of the slides:
View attachment 10187I hope I am simply reading too much into his talking points but if the trend continues I think we may have our answer. I am firmly in the BEV camp and am mildly concerned about a brand new company delivering new tech without a proven track record on a brand new platform and doing so on the current timeline. What could go wrong?

That said, Scout hasn't given me a solid reason to be concerned about the fate of the BEV so far and many reasons to be hopeful that they will honor their initial vision.

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That is concerning. I certainly would lose interest in Scout Motors if the BEV is scuttled.