EREV initial release only?

[RodorW]

I would if they make intentions clear first.

I’ve lost 10 grand on digital assets I can no longer use, I could withstand a grand or two even if I decided to buy elsewhere and atleast, let’s say half, would be refundable

 

[cyure]

I’ve got the solution! Add a $500-$1000 additional deposit that might not be refundable, this tells scout who’s actually interested and plans to convert!


Now while I’m joking, I’d totally do it

That’s one way to do it!

 

[J Alynn]

Here’s the thing. We don’t actually KNOW anything yet. They haven’t announced anything other than they will start with one model and then move to the others. Something has to go first. I feel like this is the 5,000 lb tow rating comment for the EREV all over again.

We don’t have facts. We have a comment, yes I understand it’s from the CEO. I get that, but wanting to do something and actually being able to follow through are two totally different things. We do know that the BEV is less complicated and design was started on that way in advance of the EREV. We know that the EREV dwarfs the BEV reservations by a lot. Now what all that means from a business sense we just have to wait and see.

The one thing I will say is BEV or EREV, Traveler or Terra, SM has a hit on their hands here because whenever we all think about having to wait even one day longer for our Scouts, we all freak out and go to level 11 immediately. I think that’s a good problem for them to have.

I hear you but to play devils advocate there is a lot of outspoken concern right now from the BEV side of things and there aren’t any answers being provided. For those planning out for two years, waiting to only find out they are pushing EREV the hardest will not only see a lot of customer loss it will see buyers rushing to the other manufactures. It wouldn’t be so hard to announce that production will focus on EREV but the initial ratio at release is X harvesters and X BEV’s. Right now the assumption is 120,000 res are traveler and 96,000 of those are EREV so if you are hearing EREV first and you are a BEV holder that math likely works out to be a 1-1/2 year wait to get a BEV. That’s tough for a lot of buyers who are already on the fence and have other options today to choose from. the easiest statement would be, “we are launching both traveler versions with the majority being the EREV but BEVs will be part of the initial assembly push”.

 

[robothero]

I think its important to note that its probably not an either/or situation. It's about optimizing the factory and production lines to deliver the most vehicles with minimal disruptions.

 

[RodorW]

They are probably planning to start with the traveler and while the initial builds will probably be higher percentage towards EREV there will be BEV‘s built that I would imagine that the decision maker in hell the factory will truly operate while they are working on delivering reservations will be based on converted reservations and as someone else stated earlier, people interested in fully Electric know what they want more or less (especially given the limited amount of full-size electric trucks still available on the market) and people interested in EREV’s are on the fence and are likely to go with another EREV or ICEV

 

[Gurble]

I hear you but to play devils advocate there is a lot of outspoken concern right now from the BEV side of things and there aren’t any answers being provided. For those planning out for two years, waiting to only find out they are pushing EREV the hardest will not only see a lot of customer loss it will see buyers rushing to the other manufactures. It wouldn’t be so hard to announce that production will focus on EREV but the initial ratio at release is X harvesters and X BEV’s. Right now the assumption is 120,000 res are traveler and 96,000 of those are EREV so if you are hearing EREV first and you are a BEV holder that math likely works out to be a 1-1/2 year wait to get a BEV. That’s tough for a lot of buyers who are already on the fence and have other options today to choose from. the easiest statement would be, “we are launching both traveler versions with the majority being the EREV but BEVs will be part of the initial assembly push”.

There is absolutely no reason to think they will build all erev pre-orders first before even starting BEV production.

 

[Openskies]

Here’s the thing. We don’t actually KNOW anything yet. They haven’t announced anything other than they will start with one model and then move to the others. Something has to go first. I feel like this is the 5,000 lb tow rating comment for the EREV all over again.

We don’t have facts. We have a comment, yes I understand it’s from the CEO. I get that, but wanting to do something and actually being able to follow through are two totally different things. We do know that the BEV is less complicated and design was started on that way in advance of the EREV. We know that the EREV dwarfs the BEV reservations by a lot. Now what all that means from a business sense we just have to wait and see.

The one thing I will say is BEV or EREV, Traveler or Terra, SM has a hit on their hands here because whenever we all think about having to wait even one day longer for our Scouts, we all freak out and go to level 11 immediately. I think that’s a good problem for them to have.

Scott says they WILL make the BEV Terra and his logic to sell the EREV first based on reservations is not wrong. Scout WAS an EV start-up but was hoping the VW group provides shade while going through growing pains as an EV start-up but that's not the case anymore. Tesla, like them or not, was a real EV start-up. Same as Rivian.

So, for me the attraction to Scout was a truck on ladder frame with good range and with overlanding capabilities. The R1T is not it. I was hoping Terra was it.

Now I have more concerns with the legacy hand on the shoulder. If they go in-house, i.e. Cariad, with their technology then they are done. I wouldn't buy one if it doesn't use the Rivian architecture. Full stop. With Cariad you might as well slap a VW badge on the hood.

Even if they, the Rivian VW joint venture, are working to integrate a gas engine I'm wondering how ready will it be for launch. There's buzz that there's strife in this venture because VW wants to use the Rivian architecture across all of VWs platforms include hybrids.

As for EV reservations, it's not a real thing anymore. For passenger cars, there are options other than Tesla now so no one is running out to put $100 on the latest Kia EV. That goes the same for EV trucks. There's no reservations for Lightnings or Silverado EV or R1T.

So I think Scout is misreading the tea leaves on EREV vs BEV reservations. For interested BEV buyers, it's either available or not. They are not desperate to put $100 down.

Then you have to think about conversion rate from reservations to purchases. What's the ratio? For the Cybertruck it was good initially and now where is it. Yes, Cybertruck is what it is. So is Scout selling 125,000 in first year of production? I doubt it. Which circles back to my point about an EV start up. Is it an EV start up or just another division of a legacy automaker pretending to be novel. It's the latter I'm afraid.

 

[cyure]

I hear you but to play devils advocate there is a lot of outspoken concern right now from the BEV side of things and there aren’t any answers being provided. For those planning out for two years, waiting to only find out they are pushing EREV the hardest will not only see a lot of customer loss it will see buyers rushing to the other manufactures. It wouldn’t be so hard to announce that production will focus on EREV but the initial ratio at release is X harvesters and X BEV’s. Right now the assumption is 120,000 res are traveler and 96,000 of those are EREV so if you are hearing EREV first and you are a BEV holder that math likely works out to be a 1-1/2 year wait to get a BEV. That’s tough for a lot of buyers who are already on the fence and have other options today to choose from. the easiest statement would be, “we are launching both traveler versions with the majority being the EREV but BEVs will be part of the initial assembly push”.

Are you assuming they would fill all the EREV reservations before they produce one BEV? Just curious.

I know SM isn’t in a position to give lots of details yet but @Jamie@ScoutMotors is there anything you can offer to calm the masses so to speak?

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

<SNIP>

So now Scout wants to compete against Ford's F150 EREV rather than separating themselves from the crowd.

I can’t remember hearing anything about EREV’s before Scout. After momentum starting building for Harvester, then I started hearing about EREV’s from Ford and Ram. Who’s competing with who? I think it’s the other way around.

 

[Chuckles]

So much doom and gloom! First, it was the towing crowd, and now the BEaVers (yes, I'm calling them beavers). I'm surprised Scout gives us any info at all, given the overreactions. It's hard to be patient, but all will be revealed in time. Let's enjoy the ride!

 

[cyure]

So much doom and gloom! First, it was the towing crowd, and now the BEaVers (yes, I'm calling them beavers). I'm surprised Scout gives us any info at all, given the overreactions. It's hard to be patient, but all will be revealed in time. Let's enjoy the ride!

I’m just going to keep screaming PBY and Faith and Patience and try and have some fun! There’s too much negativity in the world and this is my happy place. Happy place!!!!

 

[J Alynn]

Are you assuming they would fill all the EREV reservations before they produce one BEV? Just curious.

I know SM isn’t in a position to give lots of details yet but @Jamie@ScoutMotors is there anything you can offer to calm the masses so to speak?

I don’t know-my only point is the rumor is EREV first and seems like that started via a comment by Scott and if we are to believe (and it has been to date) that SM is as transparent as they can be, then one has to wonder what the intent is. I’ve said several times over the years-I joined here very early on, was thrilled Scouts were coming back. Was bummed they were EV, then amazing members educated and sold me on EV. So I can go either way-I just wish they could provide more clarity for those who are committed to BEV.

 

[RodorW]

I don’t know-my only point is the rumor is EREV first and seems like that started via a comment by Scott and if we are to believe (and it has been to date) that SM is as transparent as they can be, then one has to wonder what the intent is. I’ve said several times over the years-I joined here very early on, was thrilled Scouts were coming back. Was bummed they were EV, then amazing members educated and sold me on EV. So I can go either way-I just wish they could provide more clarity for those who are committed to BEV.

It would be nice for Scout to provide a deeper clarifying statement in regards to their potential plans going forward, but it’s still early with many things going on in the background and it is very easy for publications to take one statement made by one person and run it many different ways until it means nothing but hopefully we get those clarifying statements at some point this year and if I had to hazard, I guess we might get them when we get to see production design vehicles, and mules

 

[Openskies]

I can’t remember hearing anything about EREV’s before Scout. After momentum starting building for Harvester, then I started hearing about EREV’s from Ford and Ram. Who’s competing with who? I think it’s the other way around.

Scott Keogh said they first noticed popularity of EREVs in China in 2023. They then reacted with Harvester option. In the meantime, Ford and Stellantis was probably looking at the same thing and then boom they are bringing truck EREVs. These companies are fully aware of happenings in the market. How they react is a different discussion.

Competition is just options for buyers. Has nothing to do with who thought it first. In fact, Ford likely has the edge with brand loyalty. And RAM as well. They already have factories that they can retool faster and push out their EREV F150. Scout is STILL building their factory in Blythewood.

 

[SaraLiz]

I hear you but to play devils advocate there is a lot of outspoken concern right now from the BEV side of things and there aren’t any answers being provided. For those planning out for two years, waiting to only find out they are pushing EREV the hardest will not only see a lot of customer loss it will see buyers rushing to the other manufactures. It wouldn’t be so hard to announce that production will focus on EREV but the initial ratio at release is X harvesters and X BEV’s. Right now the assumption is 120,000 res are traveler and 96,000 of those are EREV so if you are hearing EREV first and you are a BEV holder that math likely works out to be a 1-1/2 year wait to get a BEV. That’s tough for a lot of buyers who are already on the fence and have other options today to choose from. the easiest statement would be, “we are launching both traveler versions with the majority being the EREV but BEVs will be part of the initial assembly push”.

This is where I'm at. While we all knew there is a risk in being in early adopters like we all are, we still need to be able to try to plan smartly. A $60k+ vehicle purchase is a big deal to most people. I signed up for a lease term on my new EV with the assumption that the EV Scout I reserved would be available at the end of lease term, based on previously shared info. If that's not the case, then I have a decision to make at the end of my lease term that, either way, likely will result in me not getting the Scout. I need a vehicle. At the end of my lease term, I will either have to spend ~$30k to buy out the lease, or turn it in and buy a different vehicle.

This is also where the EV residual value convo comes into play. It won't make sense for me to buy out the lease with the intent of trading it in within a year or two when the Scout would actually be available, because that car will probably be way underwater due to value. And it doesn't make sense for my family to have an extra car with extra payments. It's an unfortunate situation, but that's the risk we (and Scout) are taking. I will be bummed if that's the case.

 

[cyure]

This is where I'm at. While we all knew there is a risk in being in early adopters like we all are, we still need to be able to try to plan smartly. A $60k+ vehicle purchase is a big deal to most people. I signed up for a lease term on my new EV with the assumption that the EV Scout I reserved would be available at the end of lease term, based on previously shared info. If that's not the case, then I have a decision to make at the end of my lease term that, either way, likely will result in me not getting the Scout. I need a vehicle. At the end of my lease term, I will either have to spend ~$30k to buy out the lease, or turn it in and buy a different vehicle.

This is also where the EV residual value convo comes into play. It won't make sense for me to buy out the lease with the intent of trading it in within a year or two when the Scout would actually be available, because that car will probably be way underwater due to value. And it doesn't make sense for my family to have an extra car with extra payments. It's an unfortunate situation, but that's the risk we (and Scout) are taking. I will be bummed if that's the case.

You know me, I always have a question. Is your lease a 2 year or 3 year lease?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

A brief and incomplete history of EREVs:

Patton Motor Car: Patented in 1889, produced in 1891-1897+
Porsche Mixte: Production 1900+ (first production hub motor vehicle)
Pieper railcars: 1911+
ČKD locomotives: 1986-1996
Chevrolet Volt: Production in 2011
BMW i3 REx: Announced 2012, production in 2014
RAM REV: Announced 2023 for production in 2024. Delayed to 2026. Likely to be delayed again.
Scout EREV: Announced in 2024 for production in 2027.
Ford F-150 Lightning EREV: Announced in Dec 2025 for production sometime in the future.

 

[shutthefrontdoor]

This is where I'm at. While we all knew there is a risk in being in early adopters like we all are, we still need to be able to try to plan smartly. A $60k+ vehicle purchase is a big deal to most people. I signed up for a lease term on my new EV with the assumption that the EV Scout I reserved would be available at the end of lease term, based on previously shared info. If that's not the case, then I have a decision to make at the end of my lease term that, either way, likely will result in me not getting the Scout. I need a vehicle. At the end of my lease term, I will either have to spend ~$30k to buy out the lease, or turn it in and buy a different vehicle.

This is also where the EV residual value convo comes into play. It won't make sense for me to buy out the lease with the intent of trading it in within a year or two when the Scout would actually be available, because that car will probably be way underwater due to value. And it doesn't make sense for my family to have an extra car with extra payments. It's an unfortunate situation, but that's the risk we (and Scout) are taking. I will be bummed if that's the case.

Call the lease company directly and ask what options they have for extending your lease if need be.

 

[dreamweaver]

Call the lease company directly and ask what options they have for extending your lease if need be.

This works very good I have done this in the past I may need to do it again waiting for our scout Traveler BEV. I have a lease ending 3rd quarter of 2027.

 

[SaraLiz]

You know me, I always have a question. Is your lease a 2 year or 3 year lease?

2 year, so done Dec 2027. Always knew that was going to be a bit tight, but the price was right and as others have mentioned, there may be an option to see if I can extend for a little longer. But no guarantees.