Global EREV battery capacity deployment is growing six times faster than that of BEVs

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Global EREV battery capacity deployment is growing six times faster than that of BEVs

Global EREV battery capacity deployment is growing six times faster than that of BEVs - Adamas Intelligence

EREVs, where the combustion engine operates solely as a generator for the battery, now make up 34% of the global plug-in hybrid market.

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"...Ex-China OEMs are now scrambling to add EREVs to their lineup. Ford scrapped plans for a three-row full-electric SUV to replace it with an as yet unseen EREV that will arrive only in 2027 while Stellantis is pulling forward its on-sale dates for the Ramcharger EREV to early this year while postponing the launch of the BEV version of the popular pickup.

Hyundai told investors early last year that EREVs will play a big part in its future, teasing a flagship three-row SUV, the Ioniq 9, to be built in the US starting in 2026. Mercedes-Benz is also rumored to be considering an EREV option for its popular CLA-class sedans.

The concept is not new. BMW launched its i3 EREV hatchback as long ago as 2013 while the Chevrolet Volt EREV, which briefly had a Cadillac sibling, dates back to 2010.

Both models were discontinued years ago, but GM has since reversed course and announced that PHEVs are back on the release roster for some time this decade. Whether the new PHEV line-up will include EREVs has not been made explicit. Chances are high that they will..."

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Hybrid Super Duty knocking down high 20 mpg is gonna be wild, especially when they make the inverter available for job sites.

 

[Logan]

Especially for larger vehicles, that do longer trips or move heavier loads, I think EREV's make a lot of sense, and will be popular for the next 5-10 years (assuming they take off like they sound like they will), at least in the USA.

I think an EREV Minivan, and EREV 3 row SUV would be quite popular/effective, particularly in the American midwest, plains, and west (or other areas with relatively dispersed charging and population centers atm).

For local/city/regional use, BEV's are already great, and will continue to be popular there. But for the people that are occasionally do 800-900 miles per day on road trips at ~80mph, through rural ID/Montana/wherever can "have their cake and eat it too", to an extent. As they'll get the EV experience around town with 80-150 miles of EV range which should cover ~90-99% of their driving, and when they're on the road they should be able to gas and go.

That said, on the highway, I"m not convinced that we'll see tons more efficiency out of EREVs. You might still get 20mpg out of a harvester scout at 80mph, I actually have no idea, as I don't think we've had any large EREV's yet.

 

[R1TVT]

The jump to "full EV" is hard for a lot of people... Not everyone is an early adopter (even though going full BEV isn't really new, it will be new for many truck owners). The hesitancy is also not very surprising based on the anti-EV factions and O&G stalwart's incessant dis and mis-information campaigns. People are also generally averse to change. its easy not to try something new if you have something that just "works".

I see the EREV thing as a bridge, but also with some useful features for certain edge cases. In reality, and based on driving habits of Americans, the pure BEV Scout has some pretty amazing specs at 350+ estimated range and will be lower maintenance with less to worry about.

 

[GreenHarverster304]

What will happen to all the unused/decaying gas in EREVs and how will that affect the little generator engines? Modern gasoline formulations generally have a shelf life of around three to six months under normal storage conditions before they begin to oxidize and degrade. Degradation can lead to gum and varnish deposits that may clog fuel lines and hinder engine performance. Ethanol-blended gasoline (commonly E10) can attract moisture too.

I reserved a Harvester Traveler and my use scenario is probably average: back and forth to work with a short commute, errands around town and the occasional weekend trip within 150 miles. Two to three long trips a year (~500 miles each way). With nightly garage charging and a 150 mile battery range I do not anticipate that the Harvester will kick in very often, leaving a tank of gas sloshing around and getting old.

It seems to me that to combat gas degradation for the average around town driver EREV manufacturers could program unnecessary ICE charge cycles to burn the stored fuel, or we need ultra stable gas.

tldr; what are we going to do with all this old gasoline in the tank?

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

What will happen to all the unused/decaying gas in EREVs and how will that affect the little generator engines? Modern gasoline formulations generally have a shelf life of around three to six months under normal storage conditions before they begin to oxidize and degrade. Degradation can lead to gum and varnish deposits that may clog fuel lines and hinder engine performance. Ethanol-blended gasoline (commonly E10) can attract moisture too.

I reserved a Harvester Traveler and my use scenario is probably average: back and forth to work with a short commute, errands around town and the occasional weekend trip within 150 miles. Two to three long trips a year (~500 miles each way). With nightly garage charging and a 150 mile battery range I do not anticipate that the Harvester will kick in very often, leaving a tank of gas sloshing around and getting old.

It seems to me that to combat gas degradation for the average around town driver EREV manufacturers could program unnecessary ICE charge cycles to burn the stored fuel, or we need ultra stable gas.

tldr; what are we going to do with all this old gasoline in the tank?

I have a Traveler Harvester on order as well. The way I see it, I’d charge the battery to 100% and fill the gas tank to full. I’d then drive until the gas tank was around 1/4 tank, and then recharge and get gas.

 

[J Alynn]

What will happen to all the unused/decaying gas in EREVs and how will that affect the little generator engines? Modern gasoline formulations generally have a shelf life of around three to six months under normal storage conditions before they begin to oxidize and degrade. Degradation can lead to gum and varnish deposits that may clog fuel lines and hinder engine performance. Ethanol-blended gasoline (commonly E10) can attract moisture too.

I reserved a Harvester Traveler and my use scenario is probably average: back and forth to work with a short commute, errands around town and the occasional weekend trip within 150 miles. Two to three long trips a year (~500 miles each way). With nightly garage charging and a 150 mile battery range I do not anticipate that the Harvester will kick in very often, leaving a tank of gas sloshing around and getting old.

It seems to me that to combat gas degradation for the average around town driver EREV manufacturers could program unnecessary ICE charge cycles to burn the stored fuel, or we need ultra stable gas.

tldr; what are we going to do with all this old gasoline in the tank?

Curious based on your use scenario why you wouldn’t go full EV?

 

[Logan]

What will happen to all the unused/decaying gas in EREVs and how will that affect the little generator engines? Modern gasoline formulations generally have a shelf life of around three to six months under normal storage conditions before they begin to oxidize and degrade. Degradation can lead to gum and varnish deposits that may clog fuel lines and hinder engine performance. Ethanol-blended gasoline (commonly E10) can attract moisture too.

I reserved a Harvester Traveler and my use scenario is probably average: back and forth to work with a short commute, errands around town and the occasional weekend trip within 150 miles. Two to three long trips a year (~500 miles each way). With nightly garage charging and a 150 mile battery range I do not anticipate that the Harvester will kick in very often, leaving a tank of gas sloshing around and getting old.

It seems to me that to combat gas degradation for the average around town driver EREV manufacturers could program unnecessary ICE charge cycles to burn the stored fuel, or we need ultra stable gas.

tldr; what are we going to do with all this old gasoline in the tank?

My use case would be similar, but my 1-2x a year trip is ~800-900 miles one way.

I'd personally plan on adding some fuel stabilizer to the tank when I got home from the long trip, as while it would likely get used for regional trips sometimes, the harvester wouldn't be frequently used either.

But I am still contemplating if I want the BEV, and figure out a different vehicle for the road trips.

 

[R1TVT]

Why not just use any unused gas to charge (instead of plugging in)?

Of course, that is assuming that there is a "sit an spin" mode for the Harvester while you are parked.

 

[CarTechGeek]

Why not just use any unused gas to charge (instead of plugging in)?

Of course, that is assuming that there is a "sit an spin" mode for the Harvester while you are parked.

If it's L3 Charging, it will be faster to plug it in.

If it's L2 home charging, it will be cheaper to plug it in, and the time probably doesn't matter.

It's better for the environment to plug it in.

Less engine wear to plug it in.

 

[J Alynn]

If it's L3 Charging, it will be faster to plug it in.

If it's L2 home charging, it will be cheaper to plug it in, and the time probably doesn't matter.

It's better for the environment to plug it in.

Less engine wear to plug it in.

Agreed but I think @R1TVT was suggesting how to avoid stale gas in the tank but maybe I’m misunderstanding

 

[R1TVT]

Agreed but I think @R1TVT was suggesting how to avoid stale gas in the tank but maybe I’m misunderstanding

Yes, thank you, thought that was obvious!

 

[GreenHarverster304]

Curious based on your use scenario why you wouldn’t go full EV?

A question bouncing around my head since I wrote that.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Such a poorly-written headline and article.

It's easy to see high growth in percent when there was essentially no capacity before. The reality is different. No, the capacity of EREVs and PHEVs is not growing faster than the capacity of BEVs.

Growth of 18% of BEV capacity on 552 GWh is almost 100 GWh.
Growth of 71% of PHEV + EREV capacity on GWh is 82 GWh.
Growth of 115% of EREV alone is 47 GWh.

Even the graph is misleading when they include % on the same y-axis as capacity, but at least it's a little bit less misleading.

 

[GreenHarverster304]

What will happen to all the unused/decaying gas in EREVs and how will that affect the little generator engines? Modern gasoline formulations generally have a shelf life of around three to six months under normal storage conditions before they begin to oxidize and degrade. Degradation can lead to gum and varnish deposits that may clog fuel lines and hinder engine performance. Ethanol-blended gasoline (commonly E10) can attract moisture too.

I reserved a Harvester Traveler and my use scenario is probably average: back and forth to work with a short commute, errands around town and the occasional weekend trip within 150 miles. Two to three long trips a year (~500 miles each way). With nightly garage charging and a 150 mile battery range I do not anticipate that the Harvester will kick in very often, leaving a tank of gas sloshing around and getting old.

It seems to me that to combat gas degradation for the average around town driver EREV manufacturers could program unnecessary ICE charge cycles to burn the stored fuel, or we need ultra stable gas.

tldr; what are we going to do with all this old gasoline in the tank?

Question answered: In a great in-depth interview, Jay Leno asked this question at about the 32 minute mark.

 

[Dana]

Especially for larger vehicles, that do longer trips or move heavier loads, I think EREV's make a lot of sense, and will be popular for the next 5-10 years (assuming they take off like they sound like they will), at least in the USA.

I think an EREV Minivan, and EREV 3 row SUV would be quite popular/effective, particularly in the American midwest, plains, and west (or other areas with relatively dispersed charging and population centers atm).

For local/city/regional use, BEV's are already great, and will continue to be popular there. But for the people that are occasionally do 800-900 miles per day on road trips at ~80mph, through rural ID/Montana/wherever can "have their cake and eat it too", to an extent. As they'll get the EV experience around town with 80-150 miles of EV range which should cover ~90-99% of their driving, and when they're on the road they should be able to gas and go.

That said, on the highway, I"m not convinced that we'll see tons more efficiency out of EREVs. You might still get 20mpg out of a harvester scout at 80mph, I actually have no idea, as I don't think we've had any large EREV's yet.

Agree… 150 electric range won’t do a whole lot to pull up longer trip efficiency. But it’ll do fine for five days a week, lol.