Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

[eddiet1212]

Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

I do NOT want my Scout to drive itself.

Part of owning a hands-on vehicle would be the satisfaction of tactile power over your destiny while enjoying the ride.

If I wanted a robo-car then I could buy a future Rivian.

Reuters
Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026

Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026, CEO says

(Reuters) -Electric-vehicle maker Rivian plans to launch its advanced hands-free driver assistance systems in 2025 and its "eyes-off" systems in 2026, CEO RJ Scaringe said on Thursday. An advanced driver assistance system that enables drivers to take their hands off the wheel and eyes off the...

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[apex96]

Honestly, no... but I understand the appeal. One of the CES videos actually brought some information to light. The adaptive system will be camera based only according to the UX folks. With this in mind it will never be capable of full self driving and be limited to level 2 only, the driver will always need to be at attention and ready to take over.

 

[Mirinjesse]

Nice to have, but not required. Current car has it and honestly long trips on the highway it’s actually awesome..

 

[Chaz26]

I would like to, driving a couple of hundred miles on the PA turnpike every couple of months is incredibly boring and being able to just watch the road and monitor without having to worry about hands on wheel is very nice. I don't need/want self driving around cities and back roads etc. but highway hands free would be very nice.

 

[Wilk45]

I love the pilot assist on Volvo you have to keep a hand on wheel but it's great on long runs and night time rain where glare is an issue

 

[designergrey]

I have it currently on my X5 and in a state as large as New Mexico it is so nice to have on roadtrips.

 

[KeithD]

No interest from me. I don't want the expense of another system I won't use.

 

[sirgalaScout]

Red-Eye mode would be nice, I generally start long haul trips just before sunset so as when I am still chugging by sunrise the next day I could have an extra set of hands/eyes on the road. Think about that, upload your drive plan and then forecast when hands-free would be best enjoyed. Then order some food and snack away! ;-) - my 2 Cents,

Side note: Long Haul Drive, my first long haul drive was 25hrs in 1999, non stop, I was 19 and I had to drive from Fayetteville Arkansas to Manchester New Hampshire with only $150. No GPS

 

[R1TVT]

Probably important to note that much of the tech required to support "hands free" driving is also associated with safety features (like emergency braking for example) that have become table stakes for any modern vehicle. Rivian offers something called Driver+ today, which I use on almost every road trip. It makes driving long, boring sections of HWY more relaxing AND it helps with efficiency (particularly in a fast vehicle where you can suddenly find yourself going 90mph, while it feels like your going 65MPH)

I posted this under another thread (https://scoutmotors.community.forum/threads/suggestion-autonomous-driving-mode.1398/page-3) where this was discussed, and it provides a good overview of the different levels of autonomy for reference:

The 6 Levels of Vehicle Autonomy Explained | Synopsys Automotive​

Discover the 6 levels of vehicle autonomy, from manual to fully autonomous driving. Understand SAE's classification and advancements in driver assistance technology.

www.synopsys.com

from the same article:

The jump from Level 2 to Level 3 is substantial from a technological perspective, but subtle if not negligible from a human perspective.​

Level 3 vehicles have “environmental detection” capabilities and can make informed decisions for themselves, such as accelerating past a slow-moving vehicle. But―they still require human override. The driver must remain alert and ready to take control if the system is unable to execute the task.

Almost two years ago, Audi (Volkswagen) announced that the next generation of the A8―their flagship sedan―would be the world’s first production Level 3 vehicle. And they delivered. The 2019 Audi A8L arrives in commercial dealerships this Fall. It features Traffic Jam Pilot, which combines a lidar scanner with advanced sensor fusion and processing power (plus built-in redundancies should a component fail).

However, while Audi was developing their marvel of engineering, the regulatory process in the U.S. shifted from federal guidance to state-by-state mandates for autonomous vehicles. So for the time being, the A8L is still classified as a Level 2 vehicle in the United States and will ship without key hardware and software required to achieve Level 3 functionality. In Europe, however, Audi will roll out the full Level 3 A8L with Traffic Jam Pilot (in Germany first).

 

[speedrye]

NO.

 

[NoComment]

Yes. Autonomous vehicles are already in commercial use, and the point at which the technology will be available for personal ownership is close. As soon as that happens (and but for a tiny niche of collectibles), cars that are unable to become autonomous will be functionally obsolete. Insurance will bifurcate, likely charging a much lower rate during autonomous modes than during human-driving, since autonomous driving is orders of magnitude safer. I’d hazard to guess within our lifetimes human driving will not be permitted on some freeways.

Today, we have an EV and a plug-in hybrid. Both are leased. I wouldn’t seriously consider owning any kind of car until I was confident it was capable of autonomy whenever that delivered, and there was substantial articulation from the manufacturer of what it meant to upgrade batteries as that technology improves. In an earlier post, I mentioned how Volvo has addressed the autonomy issue well with its EX90. Volvo represents the car has all the hardware it needs for full autonomy. Whenever the software is ready - but likely for a heady fee - it will become available. They haven’t said anything about batteries.

Scout won’t deliver until 2027 or 2028. I am guessing Scouts will by and large compete with Rivian, BMW, Mercedes, whatever remains of Land Rover and/or Stellantis, etc. I think Scout can feel safe that many customers will want to lease the vehicle, but given what I’ve seen of the brand, they’ll probably need to support long-term ownership more like Porsche. If that’s the case, Scout will have to arrive with a solution for autonomy, even if that’s as simple as saying “We signed a licensing agreement with Waymo and are just waiting on a couple of GitHub commits - your car is ready to go.”

 

[J Alynn]

I would like to, driving a couple of hundred miles on the PA turnpike every couple of months is incredibly boring and being able to just watch the road and monitor without having to worry about hands on wheel is very nice. I don't need/want self driving around cities and back roads etc. but highway hands free would be very nice.

I don’t want it but concur the PA turnpike to Pittsburgh is a terribly boring drive. Agonizing to some degree

 

[jlrichar]

I do not want my Scourt to have handsfree driving. I would love really good adaptive cruise control. Maybe auto braking and lane assist, or driver attention monitoring. But not handsfree, and certainly not fake autonomous driving that requires full attention from the driver to take over after the system lulls you to sleep then attempts to ram something. Ahem.

With an interior this nice, and all the tactile controls, and hopefully great driving experience. I want to experience the thrill of using all of that.

 

[Scoutsie]

Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

I do NOT want my Scout to drive itself.

Part of owning a hands-on vehicle would be the satisfaction of tactile power over your destiny while enjoying the ride.

If I wanted a robo-car then I could buy a future Rivian.

Reuters
Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026

Rivian to launch hands-free driving system in 2025, 'eyes-off' in 2026, CEO says

(Reuters) -Electric-vehicle maker Rivian plans to launch its advanced hands-free driver assistance systems in 2025 and its "eyes-off" systems in 2026, CEO RJ Scaringe said on Thursday. An advanced driver assistance system that enables drivers to take their hands off the wheel and eyes off the...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

I go back and forth on this. If I was on the highway someplace where people don’t drive like maniacs and the roads are long, straight, and very boring, then yes: I would absolutely want hands-free-eyes-off driving to take over for a bit. When I’m unfamiliar with a place, I get pretty nervous. It might be nice to have that automation, provided it’s reliable. If I end up rear-ending someone, well, then there’s a new horrific flashback for my stash?

 

[eddiet1212]

Do You Want Your Scout To Have A Hands-Free Driving System?

I do NOT want my Scout to drive itself.

Part of owning a hands-on vehicle would be the satisfaction of tactile power over your destiny while enjoying the ride.

Ok after reading everyone's post.....Maybe a system to help me stay between the lines but not a hands free system so that I can sleep while driving....

 

[LastDayScout]

Level 2 is fine with me. It really helps and I use it every day as an extra set of eyes so to speak.

 

[jlrichar]

After more thought I’d say I don’t want handsfree on my scout now. Three things govern this decision: 1.) I enjoy driving 2.) I do not need assistance at my age 3.) I do not trust current tech, or the tech that is likely to soon be available.

If my Scout lasts 30 years, then by the end of that I’d expect all three things to flip and in that scenario I would want my Scout to take me places. Pharmacy, dr appt, fishing, Walmart….

Would Scout support a vehicle for 30 years? And upgrade it, or make hw upgrades available? I think that depends on conviction and success. I’d hope so. For some people, and I think a lot of current Scout owners, their car is an extension of them. When cars get so advanced it becomes much more challenging to maintain without OEM support. Hopefully this new Scout business model includes this, and if so then yes, eventually, I would want this Scout that I’m on the waitlist to buy to have handsfree driving.

 

[J Alynn]

I do not want my Scourt to have handsfree driving. I would love really good adaptive cruise control. Maybe auto braking and lane assist, or driver attention monitoring. But not handsfree, and certainly not fake autonomous driving that requires full attention from the driver to take over after the system lulls you to sleep then attempts to ram something. Ahem.

With an interior this nice, and all the tactile controls, and hopefully great driving experience. I want to experience the thrill of using all of that.

It’s spelled Skort. And hands free isn’t as much fun

 

[jlrichar]

I remember when Apple promised that touchscreen keyboards would be better than physical blackberry like keyboards. They would know what you were trying to type and it would be much less error prone.

It’s not worked.

 

[Desert-Flyer]

No. KISS. First, concentrate on getting a simple, basic vehicle out of the factory that is solid and reliable. Then upgrade/update over the ensuing years and generations.