This is pretty much what the Bolt does -- but you get some regen without using any pedals. One-pedal driving is a button (on and off). Useful for traffic or waiting in a drive-thru line
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Brake pedal behavior: Preference?
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Yes I’m trying to make sure the full BEV won’t make me car sick. So I’m just test driving other EVs.
Let me warn you now, DO NOT go test drive a Hummer EV on full regen it will literally throw you into the windshield when you let off the accelerator. However, they are an absolute hoot when you floor it because of how high the front end comes up and the back squats and then the inverse happens when you let off. It's like driving a jetski on land
If SM is truly building an off-roader it would make sense to have an additional layer of control capability by using friction brakes. If its just a mall crawler I guess the one pedal driving would be ok.
With OPD you can layer-in friction brake capabilities, so it doesn't have to be a binary thing . Modern, software-defined vehicles typically build SW features to very specific off-road modes or allow a customer to create their own settings with different characteristics. A softer pedal feel with less regen, less acceleration and a potentially different suspension feel are all possible based on what we know so far, and new "modes" can be added over time. For example, SNOW mode and SOFT SAND mode were added via OTA to Rivian's drive modes (on top of what they had already enabled).
Sounds like they should have a way to firm-up the suspension (on-road) if that thing drives like a boat! I mean, I guess it looks like it would drive like a boat, so maybe its normal!Let me warn you now, DO NOT go test drive a Hummer EV on full regen it will literally throw you into the windshield when you let off the accelerator. However, they are an absolute hoot when you floor it because of how high the front end comes up and the back squats and then the inverse happens when you let off. It's like driving a jetski on land
One of those modes that's been previously mentioned is a way to rock the Scout back and forth when you're stuck. Very easy with a manual transmission vehicle, not so easy with an automatic transmission or EV, so it sounds like Scout is focusing on the right things.
This is such an interesting phenomenon. I've never heard of people getting car sick simply because of one pedal driving. I'm not blaming here, but I wonder if it has to do with the operator's use of the one pedal? I easily get motion sickness. Even in ICE vehicles, I notice some drivers are either gas or brake. There's no coast. It's on the accelerator or on the brake. I have trouble with those sorts of drivers; it makes me sick. Others, however, are coasters. I have no sickness with them. If someone is a gas or brake driver, that's only going to be accentuated with one pedal because the off is really off. In order to get the "coast" you have to feather the accelerator pedal like coasters might feather the brake pedal on ICE.
This is exceedingly true. I can't imagine how hard it would be to use one pedal off road (never done it myself). I wonder if that's why Scout has the "coast" feature that you can toggle on or off that I posted about I saw in the Kim Jara video a while back.
HaHAhahaha - Yes!!! These are the 2-pedal drivers. LOL.
Not even just two pedals, but using each pedal like an on/off switch instead of the variable rheostat that they are.
Oh it very well could be that I’m just not used to driving one pedal. That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Is it the way I’m driving? Was it because that Mach E I drove was used and someone had smoked in it and they ran that ion machine through it. So was it because of the smell? I’m very sensitive to cigarette smoke and smells like that. So that could have been it. I don’t know.
I'm used to manual transmissions off-road, and I mostly just use the gas pedal, in gear with very little use of the brake or clutch for most obstacles, even on the steepest of declines. While I'm using engine braking and an EV is using regen, the same principle should apply IF there's a very high level of regen, but I really don't know what EVs are capable of if a manufacturer cranked the regen to 11.
That's just the thing - it can be (potentially) easier. "Easier" in the sense that a single "MODE" can engage, enable, disable, activate, connect or disconnect any number of systems all at once without much effort or adjusting multiple settings. These combos can be pre-configured by Scout.
My first truck had manual locking hubs. To use 4WD you needed park the truck, get out, lock the hubs on each side, then manually shift into 4WD and choose HIGH or LOW. I was also taught that it was helpful to roll back then forward to more easily engage the drivetrain after locking. I think this just created less wear and tear mechanically in the gear box over time, but who knows.
Of course with SW and modes, all of this stuff (and more) can happen with a single switch or button press.
Ahh words from my worklife…. I always got rheostat and potentiometer confused and had to look up which one I needed!
I've used one pedal quite a lot off-road and I love it! You just have so much more control and you can be very precise on obstacles. But probably the best things about OPD is on decent the in the Rivian, (maybe other makes as well) but if you start to slide the tires will turn in the opposite direction to help reduce your slide, some pretty cool tech.
Seems like I heard them talk about a vehicle that you can repair yourself....the true grit heritage they espouse in the marketing material.
I guess fixing brakes on your own will require a programmer instead of tools.
Most vehicles are like that now, even with traditional brakes. With the complex ABS and stability control systems and their complicated plumbing and pumps, you can't just bleed brakes like you used to. You've got to have access to the computer to cycle various pumps, etc to even do a basic bleeding of the brakes.
It'd be incredible if Scout had a maintenance section in the software that would allow people to do these tasks through the vehicle or app. I can picture sitting in a wheelwell, wrench on the bleeder screw, hitting the "bleed brakes" button on my app, waiting for the bubbles to disappear and closing her back up.
A SW programmer won't fix worn brakes, that is still a brake job.
SW modes can theoretically operate across a series of mechanical subsystems. I think you need to separate the way the SW can interact with these core mechanical systems & regular old wear and tear. SW doesn't fix mechanical wear and tear, so you will still need a heritage-style gritty brake job (which you might choose to do on your own).
Agreed. In that case SM should lift off the one pedalMost vehicles are like that now, even with traditional brakes. With the complex ABS and stability control systems and their complicated plumbing and pumps, you can't just bleed brakes like you used to. You've got to have access to the computer to cycle various pumps, etc to even do a basic bleeding of the brakes.
It'd be incredible if Scout had a maintenance section in the software that would allow people to do these tasks through the vehicle or app. I can picture sitting in a wheelwell, wrench on the bleeder screw, hitting the "bleed brakes" button on my app, waiting for the bubbles to disappear and closing her back up.
to slow the "you can repair it yourself" claim. I is a great benefit for the original but they can t replicate that in the new one.Similar threads
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