But I suspect SM will address this better than others since these are proper off-road vehicles. The Rivians were never touted as off-road capable (though to a degree they are) but Scout is pushing this
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Hold up! Rivian has always touted their vehicles as highly capable / offroad vehicles. In fact, they offer an all-terrain package with tow hooks, A/T's, reinforced underbody shield, off-road modes (even a rock crawl mode & soft sand mode), and 4 motors if you want 'em. The Kick-Turn feature that was launched with GenII doesn't even work on pavement, and the new motors have different gearing front and back for high and low torque. I (personally) wouldn't want to take my brand new R1T to a chunky rock garden where you slip off an edge and pummel yourself to the bottom of gizzard gulch, but off-road capable? Yes, very much so. They are also more difficult to modify, which would also make them less appealing to the monster truck mod rock crawling briggade, which I totally understand. The new kick turn feature is pretty cool actually: https://stories.rivian.com/r1-gen2-quad-motor
I wonder if the Scouts will have a similar feature…
Imagine that is a lot of opposing torque for a solid axle. Maybe I am overthinking it.
Wouldn’t it have to be a quad motor to do that? Or am I not understanding it correctly.
I like the EV GWagons that can do tank turns. Now I don’t know why I would need to do that but it sure is cool!Oh shit. Yes!
There is some confusion in this thread about what causes tire spin or lack of traction off road. All the torque in the world won't help unless the suspension geometry is correct. Jeep is a perfect example of this.
A Wrangler in its stock form (especially a TJ) will crawl over just about anything. The suspension geometry is near perfect and all of the torque created is translated to traction. Owners unfortunately screw with the geometry by adding a lift in order to fit bigger tires. While it would seem to most people like that is more capable, the change in suspension geometry now leads to tire spinning or lots of bouncing (rock humping). That's anti squat coming in to play. No amount of engine will overcome poor suspension geometry.
The cybertruk has a horribly designed suspension from an off road standpoint. The videos of it getting stuck on what should be non obstacles is proof of that. If you want the Scout to be an offroad capable vehicle, it can have either air bags or springs. It just needs the control arms to have proper verticle spacing around the roll axis and CG. If you add a lift after, don't blame Scout.
A Wrangler in its stock form (especially a TJ) will crawl over just about anything. The suspension geometry is near perfect and all of the torque created is translated to traction. Owners unfortunately screw with the geometry by adding a lift in order to fit bigger tires. While it would seem to most people like that is more capable, the change in suspension geometry now leads to tire spinning or lots of bouncing (rock humping). That's anti squat coming in to play. No amount of engine will overcome poor suspension geometry.
The cybertruk has a horribly designed suspension from an off road standpoint. The videos of it getting stuck on what should be non obstacles is proof of that. If you want the Scout to be an offroad capable vehicle, it can have either air bags or springs. It just needs the control arms to have proper verticle spacing around the roll axis and CG. If you add a lift after, don't blame Scout.
Running down old people, wild boar hunting, donuts on a snow covered parking lot?
Chicago was the first place they showed off the kick-turn (upgraded tank turn) to the public actually:
The Windy City’s Off-Roading Adventure - Rivian Stories | Electric Vehicle Adventures
Thousands of participants were able to experience the thrill of an R1 Quad on an off-road course—going over dirt mounds, steep slopes and more.
stories.rivian.com
It does "look" gimmicky, and you could do some party tricks with it camping, but it allows you to perform a super tight radius turn off-road, so it is a trail assistance feature (like any feature you might use in specific off-road situations):
Rivian's New "Kick Turn" Is the Original "Tank Turn" Kicked Up in Usefulness—Here's How It Works
No longer just a party trick, Kick Turn is a genuinely useful off-road tool with reasonable safeguards.
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