General suggestion

[LRK]

I posted my strong feelings that the Traveler should also have a 240 V outlet.V2H charging is fine through the charge port. But, V2L or V2H with a 240 outlet, makes the vehicle infinitely more valuable; at an extremely frugal cost to Scout. I hate to see Scout cheap out a beautifully designed vehicle with substandard hardware, features, and software. Rivian has completely failed in this area. Don’t repeat their mistake.

I have owned and driven several Teslas since 2020. The only capable Tesla is the cyber truck. That failed on.Musk’s over promising and under delivering; Range, cost, no spare tire, a finish that has to be wrapped, and the expensive V2H power share. I have driven the cyber truck. It is fantastic to drive and I could have even accepted the design. But it could not overcome its shortcomings.

Scout can get it right, just follow Tesla's, features, software, security mode, dash cams, and add Scout’s unique features. Scout is over the top with design and off-road features. Use what Tesla has already proven successful.

Don’t cheapen your product.

 

[cyure]

Hello! I see that you started another thread here about the 240V outlet. I didn’t respond on the other thread as I have not had a need for one. Seems like others do as well and they have replied as such on your other thread.

I did want to take a quick second and respond to the rest of your comments.

I don’t mean any disrespect by this, but if I wanted a Tesla I would have purchased a Tesla. I do not and I am counting on Scout to make their own path and not follow anyone.

My understanding is Scout will not be duplicating Rivians software. They are developing their own UX, which makes me very happy.

When it comes right down to it, Scouts lead the way, they don’t follow.

 

[egibbi]

As an avid RV'er I would like to see both vehicles to have the ability of flat towing. Right now the only good off road flat tow vehicles are Jeep wrangler and gladiator. If you make both of these vehicles fiat towable that would be huge for the RV community

 

[cyure]

As an avid RV'er I would like to see both vehicles to have the ability of flat towing. Right now the only good off road flat tow vehicles are Jeep wrangler and gladiator. If you make both of these vehicles fiat towable that would be huge for the RV community

Welcome to the community!

 

[Scoutsie]

I posted my strong feelings that the Traveler should also have a 240 V outlet.V2H charging is fine through the charge port. But, V2L or V2H with a 240 outlet, makes the vehicle infinitely more valuable; at an extremely frugal cost to Scout. I hate to see Scout cheap out a beautifully designed vehicle with substandard hardware, features, and software. Rivian has completely failed in this area. Don’t repeat their mistake.

I have owned and driven several Teslas since 2020. The only capable Tesla is the cyber truck. That failed on.Musk’s over promising and under delivering; Range, cost, no spare tire, a finish that has to be wrapped, and the expensive V2H power share. I have driven the cyber truck. It is fantastic to drive and I could have even accepted the design. But it could not overcome its shortcomings.

Scout can get it right, just follow Tesla's, features, software, security mode, dash cams, and add Scout’s unique features. Scout is over the top with design and off-road features. Use what Tesla has already proven successful.

Don’t cheapen your product.

Hey there! Can you revise your elevator pitch about why they should do this? Why does it need that outlet to accomplish this? Does it make it more powerful or does it make it a huge liability when people who don’t know what they’re doing end up hooking up all kinds of crazy nonsense to their vehicle? I don’t know enough about the difference between offering “an outlet” and going through a charging port. I’m not an electrical engineer or really know anything or enough about wiring or anything, just that it’s real easy to electrocute yourself if you don’t know what you’re doing or think you know enough but really don’t know that much.

I’d also have to echo @cyure and say that I would be extremely uninterested in wanting anything that was copying Tesla’s example.

 

[Broverlander]

Hey there! Can you revise your elevator pitch about why they should do this? Why does it need that outlet to accomplish this? Does it make it more powerful or does it make it a huge liability when people who don’t know what they’re doing end up hooking up all kinds of crazy nonsense to their vehicle? I don’t know enough about the difference between offering “an outlet” and going through a charging port. I’m not an electrical engineer or really know anything or enough about wiring or anything, just that it’s real easy to electrocute yourself if you don’t know what you’re doing or think you know enough but really don’t know that much.

I’d also have to echo @cyure and say that I would be extremely uninterested in wanting anything that was copying Tesla’s example.

The 240V outlet is just like an outlet in your house. It let's you run electrical things off of it. Some things, mostly tools, run off of 240V (except in Europe where it's all 240V), but the rest of your normal household stuff runs off of 120V. That's your standard outlet. It's not possible to hook all sorts of crazy things up to a 240V outlet that don't belong in there. The 240V receptacle and normal household 120V receptacle are so different that you really can't plug one into the other. Kind of like diesel gas pumps. Here's what a 240V receptacle looks like.

They come in all sorts of configurations for different needs (RV, Tools, vehicle to vehicle charging) so there's no one real outlet like there is on your house for 120V. The only real danger someone would have is if they go poking around a piece of metal or something in the outlet, but you have the same risk for your normal household outlet. You couldn't fry a normal appliance because the plug simply won't fit.

The only reasons I can think of that someone might want a 240V outlet is vehicle to vehicle charging (lets you charge another person's vehicle if they run out of juice), vehicle to home (if your power goes out) or for tools on the job or worksite. Tools that require 240V are beasts though and probably aren't on most job sites anyway. In the Terra, the 240V receptacle is in the bed of the truck, not where you charge. If they put one in the Traveler (unlikely), it would have to be in the back cargo area.

Disclaimer: I am not an electrician and this is no,t and is not intended as, electrical advice. I only play an electrician on my own home.

 

[speedrye]

The 240V outlet is just like an outlet in your house. It let's you run electrical things off of it. Some things, mostly tools, run off of 240V (except in Europe where it's all 240V), but the rest of your normal household stuff runs off of 120V. That's your standard outlet. It's not possible to hook all sorts of crazy things up to a 240V outlet that don't belong in there. The 240V receptacle and normal household 120V receptacle are so different that you really can't plug one into the other. Kind of like diesel gas pumps. Here's what a 240V receptacle looks like.

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They come in all sorts of configurations for different needs (RV, Tools, vehicle to vehicle charging) so there's no one real outlet like there is on your house for 120V. The only real danger someone would have is if they go poking around a piece of metal or something in the outlet, but you have the same risk for your normal household outlet. You couldn't fry a normal appliance because the plug simply won't fit.

The only reasons I can think of that someone might want a 240V outlet is vehicle to vehicle charging (lets you charge another person's vehicle if they run out of juice), vehicle to home (if your power goes out) or for tools on the job or worksite. Tools that require 240V are beasts though and probably aren't on most job sites anyway. In the Terra, the 240V receptacle is in the bed of the truck, not where you charge. If they put one in the Traveler (unlikely), it would have to be in the back cargo area.

Disclaimer: I am not an electrician and this is no,t and is not intended as, electrical advice. I only play an electrician on my own home.

Knowing that we only need a third oven on Thanksgiving, I could just wire one up in the basement, OR I could mount an oven on a pallet and bring it up to the garage with the forks on the tractor where I could plug it in to the back of the Traveler. I'm leaning towards the latter option because the pictures would be priceless. My orange tractor bringing an oven to my orange Traveler. Heck, might even paint the oven orange to complete the trifecta!

Beyond that, we used to use a 240v Emglo air compressor for framing since that plug was typically unused on the temporary power poles and it left the lower voltage outlets open for saws, charging, etc. I only want it to power the house backup circuits the way my portable generator does at the moment. V2L is much cheaper than wiring and buying converters for V2H.

 

[J Alynn]

As an avid RV'er I would like to see both vehicles to have the ability of flat towing. Right now the only good off road flat tow vehicles are Jeep wrangler and gladiator. If you make both of these vehicles fiat towable that would be huge for the RV community

Welcome to the Scout community

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

You don’t need a 14-50R to get the benefits from 240 Volt outlet in the vehicle. A much smaller L14-30R is the standard for generator output.
The size of the standard face of a L14-30R is only 39.6 mm while the SAE J3400 (NACS) EV charging receptacle's largest dimension is 49.1mm. A 30 Amp (7.2 kW) output is enough to run a typical household under “emergency” conditions where not everything needs to be powered. I’ve done this multiple times from one or the other of our trucks.

It’s a far better solution to have a dedicated 240 Volt receptacle than to have an adapter plug into the charge port. The onboard charger is not, by default, an AC bidirectional energy transfer unit, so it’s not any less complex to build a converter/inverter than it is to have the inverter separate. In many, many ways it’s far less complex to have the inverter separate since any issues with it would not be connected to charging the EV.

I’ve used both the charge port and the L14-30R at the same time on both the Lightning and the Silverado EV. I hope the charge port on the Scouts is not used for 240 Volts output. An adapter on the charge port would mean one could not charge the truck at an RV campsite while powering a travel trailer from the truck.

 

[apex96]

I hope the charge port on the Scouts is not used for 240 Volts output. An adapter on the charge port would mean one could not charge the truck at an RV campsite while powering a travel trailer from the truck.

I believe the truck should have a dedicated 30 amp outlet in the bed where one could power a travel trailer or home backup in an emergency situation. The issue is in regards to the Traveler SUV. I believe folks, myself included, would like for Scout to add a dedicated 30 amp outlet to the exterior of the vehicle under the charger/plug port. I'd be happy to see at least one or two of the 120 volt plugs disappear and be replaced by a dedicated 30 amp receptacle.

adding @Jamie@ScoutMotors in the hopes that this can be an option available at launch or shortly after...

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I believe the truck should have a dedicated 30 amp outlet in the bed where one could power a travel trailer or home backup in an emergency situation. The issue is in regards to the Traveler SUV. I believe folks, myself included, would like for Scout to add a dedicated 30 amp outlet to the exterior of the vehicle under the charger/plug port. I'd be happy to see at least one or two of the 120 volt plugs disappear and be replaced by a dedicated 30 amp receptacle.

That's what I would like to see as well.

 

[Scoutsie]

Thanks, gents! Speculating, though, what are reasons that you could think of as to why a car manufacturer wouldn’t put this on? Lack of consumer interest? Too much of a pain in the ass? Not enough info to speculate?