Extra, Extra....Read All About It!

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Looks like they have revised some of the language in the FAQ section of the website.

Now it is showing both drive units will be supplied by AAM. Previously it was only the rear axle if I am not mistaken.

Your post from American Axle back in June said both front and rear drive units.

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Jun 11, 2025

@THil08 Discovered some big news today.

AAM is officially the supplier for Scout drivetrains!

Official press release from AAM

AAM Secures New Business to Support Scout Motors’ Iconic SUV and Truck Launch

American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings, Inc. (AAM), (NYSE: AXL) announced it has secured an agreement with Scout Motors.

www.aam.com

DETROIT, JUNE 11, 2025 - - American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings, Inc. (AAM), (NYSE: AXL) announced it has secured an agreement with Scout Motors to supply front electric drive units...

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[chucchinchilla]

Exactly all of this. I have worked on enough high-risk systems and in enough situations where assumptions could get someone killed that I will never trust an engineer who thinks a redundancy is unnecessary.

I especially am losing trust in Rivian engineers after their nonsense rejection of physical interfaces because they don't think they fit into their software-defined vehicle paradigm. That's exactly the wrong way to go about functional design. Functional design breaks the rules when function dictates.

It's this kind of hubris that kills people. Wassym basically said it's not a problem because they figured out a way to power the doors from either batteries. Job done! Ok what happens if..

• The actuator doesn't work due to burned out motor/gear strips/debris/ice/etc.?
• Control path failure due to wiring harness damage from deformation/fire/water so the open command doesn't reach the actuator?
• Software failure
• Power is available but not deliverable to that door?

Just a couple quick examples of variables you now have to deal with because of this decision. Maybe they have solid answers to these kinds of questions and he didn't say them because he was more interested in a marketing approved official response, but at this time I don't buy it.

 

[chucchinchilla]

my R2 reservation is truly hanging on by a thread despite how nice it looks.

You and me both brother. Hell, once I tell my wife about those door handles it's game over man.

On a related note, one thing that attracted me to Scout was the lack of Tesla-chasing bullshit like electronic door handles. As time goes on this is proving a very wise move.

 

[cyure]

You and me both brother. Hell, once I tell my wife about those door handles it's game over man.

On a related note, one thing that attracted me to Scout was the lack of Tesla-chasing bullshit like electronic door handles. As time goes on this is proving a very wise move.

Same. I never liked those disappearing door handles and I kept saying in my head what about an emergency. This is not a great answer as far as I’m concerned and I’m so glad the Scout has mechanical Door handles.

 

[apex96]

I don’t know if this is real. According to the photo, the RAM Charger BEV Laramie was planned to cost $112k with a $2k destination.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RamchargerBEV/comments/1qymr52/seen_at_chicago_auto_show

It’s likely real. I’m headed to the Pittsburgh auto show this weekend so if I see it I’ll inquire on pricing, especially if it shows a pricing from 2024/25 like the one in Chicago did.

 

[Chavannigans]

They added this text in August 2025.

I remember the AAM announcement, but could swear it was only the rear that was confirmed initially.

I’ll have to dig into previous screenshots on my computer when I get back to work.

Those articles are always being edited and several have changed a few times.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I remember the AAM announcement, but could swear it was only the rear that was confirmed initially.

I’ll have to dig into previous screenshots on my computer when I get back to work.

Those articles are always being edited and several have changed a few times.

I looked it up on the wayback machine. The text was there in July 2025 as well.

 

[THil08]

I mentioned previously that the current administration may attempt to circumvent the court order to keep NEVI funds flowing and it appears I was right…

Trump can't freeze NEVI funds, so he's trying to stall them – again

Trump’s DOT can’t freeze NEVI outright, so FHWA may tighten EV charger Buy America rules to 100% to stall state spending yet again.

electrek.co

They are proposing adjusting the current 55% domestic equipment requirement to 100% for charging infrastructure. You may say that’s not so bad… but the key is that the US currently has no manufactures making 100% of the parts needed to build EV chargers… So now states may not be able to award funding and install chargers if their proposal to raise the domestic manufacturing percentage to 100% goes through. This attempt may stall NEVI yet again….

My views on this may be different from the rest. Both politically and related to this topic.

Personally I think government shouldn’t get involved with charging infrastructure, they should work the same way how gas stations are, operated and funded by a private owner. And this has nothing to do with gas subsidies and yada yada yada that everyone will bring up to try to sound smart. We should honestly leave Tesla , Ionna, and Rivian to do the infrastructure. The whole NEVI Act was apart of (Improper Planning causes Piss Poor Performance) from day one it was a really slow roll out and didn’t go anywhere. If we leave it to Ionna, Tesla, and Rivian the infrastructure would have been huge by now (Tesla’s is already huge, Ionna is expanding quickly, and we’ll Rivian is Rivian they will get there). The government should sell what ever contracts and or land they have to Tesla, Rivian and Ionna to build on.


Also Let’s hope for a big and beautiful Rivian Earnings call tomorrow, because @cyure needs her Trader Joe’s(or what I call it) and I need my stock to bounce back.

And as on what Uncle Baby Billy would say, "God bless this cocaine(stupidity) to give me the energy to beat this demon!"

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

My views on this may be different from the rest. Both politically and related to this topic.

Personally I think government shouldn’t get involved with charging infrastructure, they should work the same way how gas stations are, operated and funded by a private owner. And this has nothing to do with gas subsidies and yada yada yada that everyone will bring up to try to sound smart. We should honestly leave Tesla , Ionna, and Rivian to do the infrastructure. The whole NEVI Act was apart of (Improper Planning causes Piss Poor Performance) from day one it was a really slow roll out and didn’t go anywhere. If we leave it to Ionna, Tesla, and Rivian the infrastructure would have been huge by now (Tesla’s is already huge, Ionna is expanding quickly, and we’ll Rivian is Rivian they will get there). The government should sell what ever contracts and or land they have to Tesla, Rivian and Ionna to build on.


Also Let’s hope for a big and beautiful Rivian Earnings call tomorrow, because @cyure needs her Trader Joe’s(or what I call it) and I need my stock to bounce back.

And as on what Uncle Baby Billy would say, "God bless this cocaine to give me the energy to beat this demon!"

Except "the government" is directly involved in funding oil and gas. Building a gas station with a convenience store comes with a huge tax write-off to the extent that it can be close to free to build a gas station with a convenience store. Such write-offs don’t exist for a c-store associated with a charging station.

That’s only a single, tiny instance of the kinds of subsidies that are invisible to the public.

Another is that the lease costs for drilling on public lands is essentially in the noise of the actual value of the land. But the owners (taxpayers) never see that value. Then we pay to clean it up when the wells are abandoned.

The government subsidizes oil and gas by huge amounts from well to wheel. And it has been for many, many decades.

The subsidies for EVs are tiny in comparison.

 

[R1TVT]

You and me both brother. Hell, once I tell my wife about those door handles it's game over man.

On a related note, one thing that attracted me to Scout was the lack of Tesla-chasing bullshit like electronic door handles. As time goes on this is proving a very wise move.

Agreed. I think Scout will "handle" it better.

 

[cyure]

Agreed. I think Scout will "handle" it better.

I see what you did there.

 

[THil08]

Except "the government" is directly involved in funding oil and gas. Building a gas station with a convenience store comes with a huge tax write-off to the extent that it can be close to free to build a gas station with a convenience store. Such write-offs don’t exist for a c-store associated with a charging station.

That’s only a single, tiny instance of the kinds of subsidies that are invisible to the public.

Another is that the lease costs for drilling on public lands is essentially in the noise of the actual value of the land. But the owners (taxpayers) never see that value. Then we pay to clean it up when the wells are abandoned.

The government subsidizes oil and gas by huge amounts from well to wheel. And it has been for many, many decades.

The subsidies for EVs are tiny in comparison.

Write offs are write offs. I can write off quite literally anything, if you have as good of a tax accountant as me. Well might as well run for president and get into office and crash and burn the country from removing subsidies, because the USA runs on subsidies.

And why let big oil drill on your land? Sounds like a you problem. I wouldn’t let them pay me jack shit to drill on my property.

"God bless this cocaine to give me the energy to beat this demon!"

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Write offs are write offs bud. I can write off quite literally anything, if you have as good of a tax accountant as me. Well might as well run for president and get into office and crash and burn the country from removing subsidies, because the USA runs on subsidies.

"God bless this cocaine to give me the energy to beat this demon!"

You’re avoiding the point. If you don’t want the government to subsidize automotive fuel technology, then be consistent and go after all the relevant subsidies.

It’s pretty nonsense to go after the miniscule EV subsidies while embracing the much larger gas & oil subsidies.

So which is it, do you want government to subsidize or not to subsidize?

 

[THil08]

You’re avoiding the point. If you don’t want the government to subsidize automotive fuel technology, then be consistent and go after all the relevant subsidies.

It’s pretty nonsense to go after the miniscule EV subsidies while embracing the much larger gas & oil subsidies.

So which is it, do you want government to subsidize or not to subsidize?

I’m a subsidized as needed to better the consumer. If electricity is so cheap why subsidize it?

And Automotive Fuel? Isn’t that’s Hydrogen, Gas, Diesel? Those are Fuel. Which if Gas and Diesel weren’t subsidized, how would farmers afford it?

And electricity is only cheap because it’s heavily subsidized itself. Similar to Oil and Gas.

 

[Mousehunter]

Lease cost for drilling is generally is a rounding error - or at least it has been around me for the last 50 years. Royalty percentage on the other hand can be some significant money.

Rounding error might be a bit cruel - but honestly, first royalty check can be 10x the lease bonus check. After that, every month's royalty check has averaged about 1/2 the lease bonus check - but that still is another 6x the first year.

The real question is what royalty percentage does the goverment get on those public lands.
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As for write offs - they reduce taxable income, not tax directly. Credits reduce tax directly. Generally credits also reduce basis - but the business solar credit did not. So not only did you get the credit, you got the write off as well - which pushed the effective tax reduction to over 50%.

 

[J Alynn]

I see what you did there.

He certainly managed to “pull” my interest into the commentary

 

[rfk]

Agreed. I think Scout will "handle" it better.

He certainly managed to “pull” my interest into the commentary

You guys need to get a grip.

 

[robothero]

You and me both brother. Hell, once I tell my wife about those door handles it's game over man.

On a related note, one thing that attracted me to Scout was the lack of Tesla-chasing bullshit like electronic door handles. As time goes on this is proving a very wise move.

A few years ago the concept didn't bother me as much as it does now. I love our Volvo, its a great drive, super comfortable, blah blah. But the lack of physicality in its interface drives me nuts when it comes to things like changing the temp/airflow or switching the display. It's evangelized me quite a bit and that's seeped over to things like door handles.

 

[THil08]

I don’t recall seeing this.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/article314652578.html

But it seems that possibly road worthy real looking Scout test vehicles will be out towards the end of the year.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

My views on this may be different from the rest. Both politically and related to this topic.

Personally I think government shouldn’t get involved with charging infrastructure, they should work the same way how gas stations are, operated and funded by a private owner. And this has nothing to do with gas subsidies and yada yada yada that everyone will bring up to try to sound smart. We should honestly leave Tesla , Ionna, and Rivian to do the infrastructure. The whole NEVI Act was apart of (Improper Planning causes Piss Poor Performance) from day one it was a really slow roll out and didn’t go anywhere. If we leave it to Ionna, Tesla, and Rivian the infrastructure would have been huge by now (Tesla’s is already huge, Ionna is expanding quickly, and we’ll Rivian is Rivian they will get there). The government should sell what ever contracts and or land they have to Tesla, Rivian and Ionna to build on.


Also Let’s hope for a big and beautiful Rivian Earnings call tomorrow, because @cyure needs her Trader Joe’s(or what I call it) and I need my stock to bounce back.

And as on what Uncle Baby Billy would say, "God bless this cocaine(stupidity) to give me the energy to beat this demon!"

I totally agree with your viewpoint. Including the buyer tax incentives. IMO government’s hand just muddies the issue in a morass of regulation and unforeseen consequences, many of them negative. The other side of this of course is ending oil and gas subsidies. It may indeed be time to do this.