If you don't road trip any significant distance or don't care about how long it takes you to get from point A to point B on said road trip, then the BEV is totally fine. I've done 1000+ mile road trips in my R1T and its painful to have to stop 4-5 times more than with a gas vehicle and each stop can be anywhere from 20min to over an hour. Not fun when you just want to get to point B. On a few road trips I was taking my time. enjoying different locations along the way, without any set day I needed to get anywhere and it was still painful how many times I had to stop.
Help me decide BEV or EREV
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EREV is a solution for today's sentiments but I can't help but think that its window of opportunity is rather narrow. All it takes is longer range BEV's and a more robust charging infrastructure with widespread 800V DCFC and the number of people left likely wouldn't sustain it as an option. By the time it's available, you've probably already lost a good chunk of that window. What will your resale value be like if EREV's have been rendered unnecessary?
Perhaps if SM had an easy option to convert your EREV to BEV down the road (adding in battery, removing engine and related parts) they would remove any concerns with this question.
Perhaps if SM had an easy option to convert your EREV to BEV down the road (adding in battery, removing engine and related parts) they would remove any concerns with this question.
Thanks for the insight to owning an BEV and road tripping.
@Scoutons86 you might enjoy playing with the tool linked in this thread.
I mentioned/requested this a while back.
While I would LOVE for this to be a thing (converting a EREV to a BEV), I'm thinking this seems relatively unlikely.
On the same vein, I'd also really love to see an option to swap to different batteries in the future (like if in 10 years, solid state batteries are easy to find/etc). But not super hopeful in that aspect either.
And I agree about the window of an EREV. Great for "now", but not sure how it will be later.
What is like to think is once SS batteries or battery tech grows, Scout adds a “modular” pack that gets mounted in the frunk. A small SS battery pack could add like another 150+ miles with some reasonable connection modifications
Scott mentioned in the video with motor trend last year when talking about harvester modularity, he hinted(being the big word) at the ability to put a larger battery or updated chemistry in, or upgrading the fuel cell to be bigger. So i would think it would be the same for BEV. Scouts should be the Vehicle that can be passed on to generations not something thats thrown away in 5 years. But thats if they choose that route.
For EREV: the Technology back when BMW was doing it with i3 was a testing stage. And now EREVs are starting to build a market, china seems to be using it now that they can't seem to push out better chargers and infrastructure for range anxiety.
Its the same thing people said about Fully Electric Vehicles they are a great NOW solution. But look BEVs have a market thats growing. Who's to say EREVs wont be that way in a few years. I see EREVs sticking around and becoming the next standard Hybrid system.
Uncle Scotty hinted at modularity in that motor trend video. That we all seemed to have swept under the rug.
If all you do is drive 16 hours straight for a “road trip,” then it doesn’t make sense to drive at all. We love taking our BEVs on road trips. We’ve traveled around 40,000-60,000 miles of road trips in our BEVs, often over 3000 miles on a single trip. We don’t understand the complaints about road tripping in BEVs.
We must do road trips differently.
We must do road trips differently.
As I get older I like flying but if I’m going to road trip-be it 4 hours or 12 hours my wife and I do it much like you and your partner do it.
I find road tripping much more relaxing now with 3 stops in a day. I'm def stopping longer, but I arrive feeling better, and keep my normal meal schedule concurrent with charging stops (probably why I feel better when I get where I am going). My longest trips are about 900 miles round-trip a few times a year in the summer. Most of my longer winter trips are 2-4 hours and super easy - often with charging available at my destination upon arrival.
My family has flown a few times on vacation - it generally was a matter of time vs budget. We took road trips with 5 kids - 7 round trip air fairs add up. Plus as mentioned, you can work in various entertainment breaks during the trip. Sure the point might be to get from A to B - but generally there are plenty of things that are worth stopping for between them.
I personally really enjoy food tourism. I am sure the thought of driving through southern Louisiana has influenced my choices more than a few times. Even our routes through Louisiana have varied just to get different food options. Sadly, can not say the food stops between the Gulf states and our destination have generally been impressive - although I recall one trip we got pretty good eats in Georgia (Paula Dean's restaurant) - while urban yutes keyed our vehicle in the nearby parking garage. Honestly that trip was littered with good food - but we had local help on finding it.
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Honestly, my take is EREVs are a good stop gap to replace hybrids. Some hybrids are good - but many just give marginal gains at best. EREV's give you an EV for daily use, while having a backup solution for long trips. Eventually, however, the backup solution will become less and less necessary - as ranges improve, charging times get shorter, and charging access becomes more common.
Right now is kind of a transitional period. Charging access in a lot of places is getting there. Sure it is not enough IF everyone was driving EV's, but it is more than enough most of the time most places given the current demand (I rarely see more than 1/3 of the sites occupied, most of the time it is far less than that). If we get up to a real 500 mile range and real 30 minute charging - not sure how much need for EREV's will remain (and honestly real 350 mile range might be enough for most people). The problem now is too many vehicles have an imaginary 300 mile range that is closer to 200 miles in real life. And 30 minute charges are not full charges, they are at best 60% charges - and even then that time is completely unreliable.
I personally really enjoy food tourism. I am sure the thought of driving through southern Louisiana has influenced my choices more than a few times. Even our routes through Louisiana have varied just to get different food options. Sadly, can not say the food stops between the Gulf states and our destination have generally been impressive - although I recall one trip we got pretty good eats in Georgia (Paula Dean's restaurant) - while urban yutes keyed our vehicle in the nearby parking garage. Honestly that trip was littered with good food - but we had local help on finding it.
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Honestly, my take is EREVs are a good stop gap to replace hybrids. Some hybrids are good - but many just give marginal gains at best. EREV's give you an EV for daily use, while having a backup solution for long trips. Eventually, however, the backup solution will become less and less necessary - as ranges improve, charging times get shorter, and charging access becomes more common.
Right now is kind of a transitional period. Charging access in a lot of places is getting there. Sure it is not enough IF everyone was driving EV's, but it is more than enough most of the time most places given the current demand (I rarely see more than 1/3 of the sites occupied, most of the time it is far less than that). If we get up to a real 500 mile range and real 30 minute charging - not sure how much need for EREV's will remain (and honestly real 350 mile range might be enough for most people). The problem now is too many vehicles have an imaginary 300 mile range that is closer to 200 miles in real life. And 30 minute charges are not full charges, they are at best 60% charges - and even then that time is completely unreliable.
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Exactly.
We enjoy our stops. We eat a real meal (almost never fast food); we stretch our legs; go look at something interesting; and arrive feeling ready to be with the people we’re visiting or be engaged with the nature we’re in.
Back when I was younger I’d do those 16-hour sprints, get there, be exhausted, sleep until late the next morning, feel crabby the entire visit, and end up having a miserable time. Then I’d sprint home. It was awful.
I do 1200 mile round-trips about once a month and 3300 mile round trips a couple times a year.
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