Cool handel name as I am a badams as well. Ya I get it but just worry that it will be hard to please most folks that need to have a Harvester. My post is meant for the 5,500- 9,500 pounds trailer crowd that a Harvester model may not work for.
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I completely get where you are coming from and being an architectural designer I’ve suffered the same similar situations. I designed/built my own house nearly 20 years ago and put it into a parade of homes event. It’s tough to stand in your dream home and hear people criticize many things. We are in a world of 40% rules and 60% gray area design (maybe reverse that for cars) so we will never be correct no matter how great our thinking/design might be
I agree some people won’t be happy with the harvester if the tow ratings end up being 5000lbs. I’m sure scott is regretting saying that now. Personally I’m really hoping that the number goes up. But if they don’t then some people will get the bev model and do as you mentioned. Others will probably buy a gas car.
For me, I hope that the maximum tow rating for the EREV doesn't increase over 5000lbs. I need to tow, but I don't need to tow that much weight. I would rather have the EREV (and the pure EV versions) be designed as a capable/comfortable driver with medium towing capability and lower cost. I understand people that have specific requirements and need a vehicle that can tow >5,000, but I don't think this is the right vehicle for that. In my opinion, the cost increase to provide that level of towing ability isn't justified for the limited number of people that need it.
Nah, I’m the same way. I like living a spontaneous and carefree existence, but I also have a chronic illness and am accustomed to having to do some degree of pre-planning (I’m not wheelchair-bound, but stairs are a weakness… am I going to get around okay, is there air conditioning, is there water, etc). I think the kind of effort you put into road tripping with an EV might not end up being so different from the effort you put into any road trip (do you make a play list, do you bring snacks, do you bring overnight stuff, do you tell people that you’re going to be in the area and want to get coffee/get dinner/want to lay low in the spare bedroom, etc). It seems like the effort amounts to “plan route from A to B” followed by “where the chargers at?”
Lots of people here have written about how they do their road trips and it’s been really informative and helpful. Honestly, it’s relieved a lot of my concerns about range anxiety.
This is a great thread:
They seem to have taken steps to lower the cost the on the erev models. I agree with the affordability point. But I also think that by coming with such a low number they would be losing a good chunk of sales. Hopefully they will find a nice middle ground of keeping cost down and still be capable.
Seems like a great thread I haven’t had time to read it all yet.Nah, I’m the same way. I like living a spontaneous and carefree existence, but I also have a chronic illness and am accustomed to having to do some degree of pre-planning (I’m not wheelchair-bound, but stairs are a weakness… am I going to get around okay, is there air conditioning, is there water, etc). I think the kind of effort you put into road tripping with an EV might not end up being so different from the effort you put into any road trip (do you make a play list, do you bring snacks, do you bring overnight stuff, do you tell people that you’re going to be in the area and want to get coffee/get dinner/want to lay low in the spare bedroom, etc). It seems like the effort amounts to “plan route from A to B” followed by “where the chargers at?”
Lots of people here have written about how they do their road trips and it’s been really informative and helpful. Honestly, it’s relieved a lot of my concerns about range anxiety.
This is a great thread:
Being in the same world, I completely get it. I can design an individual home to make someone completely happy, but designing a spec house for the masses is a different animal and it's a numbers game on what "most" people are wanting. I suspect designing vehicles is the same way and you've got to choose your niche that you're targeting.
As to towing, I think it just needs to be competitive. I'm not sure what Scout is targeting as the competition, but the 4Runner has 6k towing, the Tahoe has ~8k towing, the Grand Cherokee is ~6k, etc. There are some like the Wrangler and Explorer with lower capabilities, but the 4Runner seems to be the most natural competition for the rugged outdoorsy vehicle that can go places, do things and be accepting of less-than-carlike manners due to the solid rear axle, body-on-frame design, etc.
Has it been stated what vehicles Scout has been benchmarking? I'd be very curious.
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I relate to this comment. My next SUV planned was a 2025/2026 4Runner, got excited about the iForce Max released this year. Only drawback to it was not being a plug-in Hybrid. I would love to go full EV, but have range anxiety (cold ski trips). Scout came in and checked all of boxes I want (reality or dream), including looking rugged awesome. The 4Runner is more aggressive looking, but the Scout has this awesome retro feel that I'm obsessed with. Currently have a 2013 Pathfinder with 5000lb towing capability, which has towed exactly 0lbs (unless you count 4 bikes on a hitch mount rack). While I want to have towing capability just in case, my requirement isn't going to be substantial (U-Haul trailer, small rental camper, etc..) and 5000 will be just fine. I too am curious as to what Scout views as benchmark vehicles.
Toyota is has been blue balling us with the Holy Grail of EV tech (solid state batteries) for what feels like a decade at this point, but it seems things are growing closer to fruition.
Toyota's all-solid-state EV battery plans just got a lift from Japan's oil giant
Japanese oil giant, Idemitsu Kosan, is building a new large-scale lithium sulfide plant that will supply the raw material for...
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It will be interesting to see if they strictly keep them in house or license them to small scale companies like Scout in the future.
I'm not sure why Scout would ever license anything from Toyota - particularly when Scout has the backing of VW, and VW is essentially building batteries through PowerCo. Not to mention Tariffs. Not to mention that Toyota gave up its early lead in Hybrid and electric tech long ago when they caved to the Japan O&G lobby
They are still pining for Hydrogen, but if the US never adopts Thorium reactors there will never be an infrastructure for it in our market.
But I can see them licensing the tech to other manufacturers. No reason to throw the baby out with the bath water if it means CHEAPER production and BETTER energy storage.
Car companies license patents to each other all the time so this isnt really that outlandish.
Agreed - the concept is not outlandish, but the partnership with Toyota might be. And I think PowerCo is already doing this with QuantumScape (or was planning to). My comment was more about the likely alliances, not the concept of licensing itself
Second gen scouts might get solid state, but I wouldn't bet on it. The increasing trade war is going to stall any China-, Korea-, or Japan-US battery collaborations or licensing rather quickly (see recent news about those three countries organizing a 3-sided response to US tariffs).
In the US, we're about a decade behind on the research. Yes, QS and VW/PC are working on it, but QS has barely begun sending cells to be tested, so it's going to be a fairly long wait. The iterations on testing cells to redeveloping cells to developing packs to testing packs to developing modules to testing modules to developing arrays (what we might call a battery) to testing those is long and fraught. And the cells QS has sent for testing are semi- or quasi-solid state, not truly solid-state. Don't get me wrong, quasi-solid will give better energy density (Wh/L) and specific energy (Wh/kg), there's no doubt.
Toyota's claims of having a solid state by 2025 (or 2026 or...) have been in the news since at least 2010.
www.electric-vehiclenews.com
In the US, we're about a decade behind on the research. Yes, QS and VW/PC are working on it, but QS has barely begun sending cells to be tested, so it's going to be a fairly long wait. The iterations on testing cells to redeveloping cells to developing packs to testing packs to developing modules to testing modules to developing arrays (what we might call a battery) to testing those is long and fraught. And the cells QS has sent for testing are semi- or quasi-solid state, not truly solid-state. Don't get me wrong, quasi-solid will give better energy density (Wh/L) and specific energy (Wh/kg), there's no doubt.
Toyota's claims of having a solid state by 2025 (or 2026 or...) have been in the news since at least 2010.
Toyota Announces 4-layer All-solid-state Battery
Toyota Motor Corp unveiled a prototype of its all-solid-state battery in Japan. It is a laminated cell measuring about 10 x 10cm. Four s...
Glad somebody else finally said what I keep thinking. If you are invested in PowerCo why wouldn’t you want to support yourself-in theory
Another big development in regards to domestically produced EVs is two of the largest lithium deposits in the US that have caused quite the stir in recent years and may be getting tapped soon.
The one in Oregon is believed to be the worlds largest deposits at an estimated 20M-40M tons of lithium.
And the other being in California's Salton Sea deposit believed to be at 18M tons.
www.chemanalyst.com
The one in Oregon is believed to be the worlds largest deposits at an estimated 20M-40M tons of lithium.
BLM rushes review of Oregon lithium project following Trump’s executive order
A proposed Southeast Oregon mine’s been under review for three years. Now the Trump administration is giving people four days to comment before proceeding.
www.opb.org
And the other being in California's Salton Sea deposit believed to be at 18M tons.
Massive 18 million Tons of Lithium Deposit Found Under California's Salton Sea
A groundbreaking discovery has positioned California's Salton Sea as a pivotal player in the global lithium market, with scientists unearthing an estimated 18 million tons of the critical mineral, valued at a staggering $540 billion.
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