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With regular gas now at ~$6.40/gal here I wanted to see what the cost would be to refuel a Chevy Tahoe and a R1S Long Range battery from 25% aka a "quarter tank" to full. Tahoe is $125, Rivian is $35. Just a reminder of why I have no interest in an EREV and want to just switch straight over to BEV.
My round trip commute is about 60 miles. When I had my Silverado ZR2, at $3.50 a gallon, it cost me about $12 a day to drive to and from work. I charge my Rivian at night and costs me around $1. I'd much prefer the BEV, but most of my driving is in town so I'd rarely use the gas. I'm more concerned about the engine getting stagnant more than anything. I just need something ICE-ish for "road trips" to the in-law's lake cabin about four hours each way.
 
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My round trip commute is about 60 miles. When I had my Silverado ZR2, at $3.50 a gallon, it cost me about $12 a day to drive to and from work. I charge my Rivian at night and costs me around $1. I'd much prefer the BEV, but most of my driving is in town so I'd rarely use the gas. I'm more concerned about the engine getting stagnant more than anything. I just need something ICE-ish for "road trips" to the in-law's lake cabin about four hours each way.

My job is WFH and that was my worry with the Harvester too. Gas sitting too long. And then it went to well if that’s truly a worry what do I need a Harvester for.
 
The higher the gas gets the more people
I have a feeling will be making that realization. If this continues on for another 3 to 6 months I would be really interested to see how many people switch from BEV to EREV.
Absolutely. Just to put all this in perspective check out these gas prices in San Francisco circa the crazy high gas price crisis in April of 2008...
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As you may remember, that was an event that spurred countless stories of people ditching their gas guzzlers, Ford Expeditions sitting on lots unsold, etc. Now this is where it gets interesting, adjust $4.02 to 2026 dollars you get $6.25 and I just checked prices of a Chevron station in San Francisco they're $6.50 regular, $6.70 medium, and $6.90 premium with Diesel being $9. So we've already surpassed inflation adjusted price levels that shifted the market in 2008. IMO it's no longer a matter of if people adjust their buying habits, it's when and/or it's already happening.
 
The higher the gas gets the more people
I have a feeling will be making that realization. If this continues on for another 3 to 6 months I would be really interested to see how many people switch from BEV to EREV.
Per the snippet of the article I posted earlier, EV sales jumped 22% the last quarter so it will happen. Sounds like fuel will stay up until election cycle satisfies Iran so hunker down because it’s not gonna get lower anytime soon-unfortunately. Glad my wife got her Lexus RZ BEv and my accord hybrid was just filled and showing 574 miles on a near full tank with is 12 gallons on 87 octane so we are quite happy we started making the transition
 
Absolutely. Just to put all this in perspective check out these gas prices in San Francisco circa the crazy high gas price crisis in April of 2008...
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As you may remember, that was an event that spurred countless stories of people ditching their gas guzzlers, Ford Expeditions sitting on lots unsold, etc. Now this is where it gets interesting, adjust $4.02 to 2026 dollars you get $6.25 and I just checked prices of a Chevron station in San Francisco they're $6.50 regular, $6.70 medium, and $6.90 premium with Diesel being $9. So we've already surpassed inflation adjusted price levels that shifted the market in 2008. IMO it's no longer a matter of if people adjust their buying habits, it's when and/or it's already happening.
The problem with this is many people can’t afford new vehicles because of other issues so it’s compounding the problem. The good thing is in ‘08 your option was small economy cars-many of which no longer exists but fortunately BEV’s be it off-lease/used or new will just help convert more drivers to BEV. I wouldn’t be surprised if this keeps up if the initial Scout production doesn’t see more BEV conversions with res holders?
 
Absolutely. Just to put all this in perspective check out these gas prices in San Francisco circa the crazy high gas price crisis in April of 2008...
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As you may remember, that was an event that spurred countless stories of people ditching their gas guzzlers, Ford Expeditions sitting on lots unsold, etc. Now this is where it gets interesting, adjust $4.02 to 2026 dollars you get $6.25 and I just checked prices of a Chevron station in San Francisco they're $6.50 regular, $6.70 medium, and $6.90 premium with Diesel being $9. So we've already surpassed inflation adjusted price levels that shifted the market in 2008. IMO it's no longer a matter of if people adjust their buying habits, it's when and/or it's already happening.
Absolutely excellent observation. It’s painful, but you’re 100% correct.
 
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The problem with this is many people can’t afford new vehicles because of other issues so it’s compounding the problem. The good thing is in ‘08 your option was small economy cars-many of which no longer exists but fortunately BEV’s be it off-lease/used or new will just help convert more drivers to BEV. I wouldn’t be surprised if this keeps up if the initial Scout production doesn’t see more BEV conversions with res holders?
Yeah from purely a car perspective the situation isn't that grim however with stagnating wages/etc. affordability is definitely an issue.

Focusing on just the cars you're right, a lot of economy cars from that era are now dead however all is not lost. Base MSRP of a Chevy Cobalt in 2008 was $14,410 or $22,420 today. That car was replaced by the Cruze which was replaced by the Trax which currently starts at $21,800 so still basically in line with inflation...however to your point for the same money buyers have a whole range of off-lease EVs that offer a ton more features, space, reliability, and of course lower fueling costs than the Cobalt of 2008. So like instead of a Trax you could get a barely used Equinox EV for example.
 
Wasn’t aware of Septa upgrades. Is that the extension they’ve talked about for years?

Not immediately, but station upgrades, new rail cars, more frequent regional rail (goal is every 15 minutes). Expanding the availability of regional rail would be massive for the region. really get a lot of ICE cars off the roads. Obviously not direct impact to Scout but driving towards the same green goals.
 

Not immediately, but station upgrades, new rail cars, more frequent regional rail (goal is every 15 minutes). Expanding the availability of regional rail would be massive for the region. really get a lot of ICE cars off the roads. Obviously not direct impact to Scout but driving towards the same green goals.
Makes sense. Really wish they’d keep extending out. My wife has used it from Lancaster to Philly for airport. Just rarely works though when we fly. So much easier than fighting traffic to airport and paying to park
 
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And let's not forget that's for Harvester aka the EREV. If you want a BEV like me you'll have to wait until ???.
I’ll be curious how that plays out with production balance. You have to consider there were a lot of people on this forum for nearly 2 years before we ever knew the harvester would happen. I’d like to think if the early reservations committed early on there would be some consideration for part of initial ramp up being BEV. I get if you reserved a month ago there will be a wait but for the members who all took the ride and adapted to the idea of a BEV there should be some reward for that commitment but that’s just me being self serving I guess
 

Is Bentley designers taking lessons from The Benj? Because this actually has the old style front end, just redone for today
Never loved the front end of most Bentley’s but kudos to them for some throwback because their recent front ends are nothing to write home over
 
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I’ll be curious how that plays out with production balance. You have to consider there were a lot of people on this forum for nearly 2 years before we ever knew the harvester would happen. I’d like to think if the early reservations committed early on there would be some consideration for part of initial ramp up being BEV. I get if you reserved a month ago there will be a wait but for the members who all took the ride and adapted to the idea of a BEV there should be some reward for that commitment but that’s just me being self serving I guess
If I were a betting man (I'm not), I'd bet that those who receive the first Scouts off the line will depend on some formula based on the following factors: what you reserved (they are building the Harvester Traveler first), whether you're willing to buy and pay for what you can get at launch (at launch, they likely won't be cheap, with Scout probably prioritizing the highest trim models, some of which many not interest even early reservation holders and may be limited in what you can spec), your location (how close are you to a Scout service location?), and your place in the reservation line.
 
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