Carplay unconfirmed?!

[robothero]

Totally agree on the Rivian side.

Is CarPlay/AA needed? No.
Is the Rivian platform missing the ability to access a number of key features that you get with CarPlay/AA? Yes.
Can Rivian address this gap? Yes.
Will they? Who knows.

 

[wheelsee]

Totally agree on the Rivian side.

Is CarPlay/AA needed? No.
Is the Rivian platform missing the ability to access a number of key features that you get with CarPlay/AA? Yes.
Can Rivian address this gap? Yes.
Will they? Who knows.

Follow up on Question 3...how would they address the gap?

 

[R1TVT]

Follow up on Question 3...how would they address the gap?

They would need direct partnerships with the companies that have apps that are supported within the CarPlay environment.... Like they have with Spotify for example, and a way to enable them natively within their U/X U/I

 

[wheelsee]

They would need direct partnerships with the companies that have apps that are supported within the CarPlay environment.... Like they have with Spotify for example, and a way to enable them natively within their U/X U/I

There are thousands of developers. It just doesn’t make sense when there is already a solution.

 

[RodorW]

I feel like it depends on how you look at it. Android Auto and CarPlay can be a solution as most people are attached to their phones in one way or another, you maps and media from that straight to the car is great. But after a week with Android Automotive I don’t miss either phone based solution, I don’t experience the audio issues or phone battery drain anymore and since my phone screen is on all day that’s a world of difference. My car streams the media, and I can send any routing in Google Maps straight to the car and it will appear on the screen when the car starts

 

[wheelsee]

I feel like it depends on how you look at it. Android Auto and CarPlay can be a solution as most people are attached to their phones in one way or another, you maps and media from that straight to the car is great. But after a week with Android Automotive I don’t miss either phone based solution, I don’t experience the audio issues or phone battery drain anymore and since my phone screen is on all day that’s a world of difference. My car streams the media, and I can send any routing in Google Maps straight to the car and it will appear on the screen when the car starts

That works great if you use Google Maps and hope that Scout keeps updating it. What if I don’t use Spotify? What if some other cool streaming service comes out?

We already see this in Rivian/Tesla where they have yet to implement features in Apple Music years after they’ve been released

 

[RodorW]

That works great if you use Google Maps and hope that Scout keeps updating it. What if I don’t use Spotify? What if some other cool streaming service comes out?

We already see this in Rivian/Tesla where they have yet to implement features in Apple Music years after they’ve been released

Personally I don’t use Apple for anything other notes and my insurance trip tracking, I don’t care much for Spotify either. I pay for YouTube premium, with family benefits, no ads, ect.

 

[wheelsee]

Personally I don’t use Apple for anything other notes and my insurance trip tracking, I don’t care much for Spotify either. I pay for YouTube premium, with family benefits, no ads, ect.

Key word there…”personally”

Also what happens if they raise it $10 a month? What happens if they push an update that breaks scouts version? The developers develop for phones first. The phones are easily upgradable. Your cars head unit, not so much.

 

[Mousehunter]

I don't use carplay every time I am in a vehicle. If I am not using maps - I can just use BlueTooth to use the stereo for audio from my phone. I pretty much hate giving up the functionality of using my phone for navigation though. I have never owned a vehicle where the manufacturer has provided free updates to their in house navigation systems, plus I don't think I have owned any that provides traffic updates and rerouting either.

FWIW, for several years I did utterly love the navigation in my VW though (even without updates and traffic). I went so far to purchase the same system for my phone (which cost about $100 - most expensive app I ever purchased). Then Garmin purchased the company and discontinued support for it. That app was great before Garmin killed it. In addition to a better data entry, I could download maps for when I was out of cell coverage.

 

[wheelsee]

I don't use carplay every time I am in a vehicle. If I am not using maps - I can just use BlueTooth to use the stereo for audio from my phone. I pretty much hate giving up the functionality of using my phone for navigation though. I have never owned a vehicle where the manufacturer has provided free updates to their in house navigation systems, plus I don't think I have owned any that provides traffic updates and rerouting either.

FWIW, for several years I did utterly love the navigation in my VW though (even without updates and traffic). I went so far to purchase the same system for my phone (which cost about $100 - most expensive app I ever purchased). Then Garmin purchased the company and discontinued support for it. That app was great before Garmin killed it. In addition to a better data entry, I could download maps for when I was out of cell coverage.

Wireless and Wired CarPlay uses a higher bandwidth connection than Bluetooth. Apple Maps has allowed downloading maps for a couple years now.

 

[Mousehunter]

It is a "me" thing, but the primary thing I liked about the old VW navigation is that it used way less keystrokes to get to the address. State was assumed, but could easily be changed. Start typing the state, the assumption would change to autofill. 2-3 characters later, all autofill options would be narrowed down to 1. Move on to city - since state was already selected, that limited autofill options - again 2-4 characters and all options were narrowed down to 1. Then street name - given city was already defined, hardly any characters needed to limit autofill to 1. Then street number - which honestly is usually only so many digits anyway. Bonus, you could stop at any level. If all you wanted to do is get to a city - you did not have to enter street name or number. So most of the time for me, 3-4 characters and enough was entered to start the route.

Offline maps was just a bonus - and it was honestly only really necessary for one trip I took. That trip had me outside of cell coverage for several hundred miles. The trip was both through some remote areas, and a huge designated blackout zone. In the blackout zone, there were only 3 or 4 tiny cell zones (less than 1 mile). The blackout zone was a feature, not a flaw. Basically only the hotels had coverage for about 4 days.

 

[maynard]

It is a "me" thing, but the primary thing I liked about the old VW navigation is that it used way less keystrokes to get to the address. State was assumed, but could easily be changed. Start typing the state, the assumption would change to autofill. 2-3 characters later, all autofill options would be narrowed down to 1. Move on to city - since state was already selected, that limited autofill options - again 2-4 characters and all options were narrowed down to 1. Then street name - given city was already defined, hardly any characters needed to limit autofill to 1. Then street number - which honestly is usually only so many digits anyway. Bonus, you could stop at any level. If all you wanted to do is get to a city - you did not have to enter street name or number. So most of the time for me, 3-4 characters and enough was entered to start the route.

Offline maps was just a bonus - and it was honestly only really necessary for one trip I took. That trip had me outside of cell coverage for several hundred miles. The trip was both through some remote areas, and a huge designated blackout zone. In the blackout zone, there were only 3 or 4 tiny cell zones (less than 1 mile). The blackout zone was a feature, not a flaw. Basically only the hotels had coverage for about 4 days.

I had a Magellan that operated that way on a previous motorcycle…. Loved it!