So another question. Would it be sufficient to have a larger gas tank as part of a tow package? So those who don’t need it/want it aren’t paying for it.
Please no erev!
- Thread starter mberg6417
- Start date
-
From all of us at Scout Motors, welcome to the Scout Community! We created this community to provide Scout vehicle owners, enthusiasts, and curiosity seekers with a place to engage in discussion, suggestions, stories, and connections. Supportive communities are sometimes hard to find, but we're determined to turn this into one.
Additionally, Scout Motors wants to hear your feedback and speak directly to the rabid community of owners as unique as America. We'll use the Scout Community to deliver news and information on events and launch updates directly to the group. Although the start of production is anticipated in 2026, many new developments and milestones will occur in the interim. We plan to share them with you on this site and look for your feedback and suggestions.
How will the Scout Community be run? Think of it this way: this place is your favorite local hangout. We want you to enjoy the atmosphere, talk to people who share similar interests, request and receive advice, and generally have an enjoyable time. The Scout Community should be a highlight of your day. We want you to tell stories, share photos, spread your knowledge, and tell us how Scout can deliver great products and experiences. Along the way, Scout Motors will share our journey to production with you.
Scout is all about respect. We respect our heritage. We respect the land and outdoors. We respect each other. Every person should feel safe, included, and welcomed in the Scout Community. Being kind and courteous to the other forum members is non-negotiable. Friendly debates are welcomed and often produce great outcomes, but we don't want things to get too rowdy. Please take a moment to consider what you post, especially if you think it may insult others. We'll do our best to encourage friendly discourse and to keep the discussions flowing.
So, welcome to the Scout Community! We encourage you to check back regularly as we plan to engage our members, share teasers, and participate in discussions. The world needs Scouts™. Let's get going.
We are Scout Motors.
In my younger days (early 20s) I would easily go about 400 miles. I could go from Houston to central Nebraska with only 2 stops. These days... yea I need more breaks.
I agree with @Gottesacker that having more range is nice. My last truck would go 500 miles on a single tank when on the highway, and I do miss that. My current truck is closer to 350 miles (I made 400 miles once, but that was really stretching it and at a much slower speed). 500 miles while averaging north of 70mph is the sweet spot.
It's presumably a basic plastic tank, so I doubt the material cost would vary that much, but regulatory cost might be a bear with additional EPA tests and crash tests likely required. I think pulling a Slate and offering a single option with longer-than-anticipated range might make more sense, but not going crazy or anything. There aren't many negatives to going with a bigger tank if space is available to my knowledge. Just make sure you use ethanol-free gas or fuel treatment if you only drive in EV mode.
That’s the thing. Let’s say someone only does long trips requiring the Harvester to kick on infrequently, then you have even more gas sitting there and getting old.
It's a sealed evap system, so leaving the tank partially full shouldn't hurt anything. Less weight to carry around the rest of the time!
I still take several stretch, bathroom, snack, shopping, or lunch breaks with my SUV hybrid with +450 mile minimum range. I rather stop when I want to instead of having to stop because of lack of gas range or EV battery power.
I took a trip over the 4th of July weekend from ABQ, Denver, and Breckenridge. My my hwy speed varied between stop/go construction areas to hours at 80 mph. My lowest elevation was 4900 feet and highest was 11,600 feet. It would be nice to have extra range in those conditions with 50-100 miles in between gas stations or break area I want to stop at.
I took a trip over the 4th of July weekend from ABQ, Denver, and Breckenridge. My my hwy speed varied between stop/go construction areas to hours at 80 mph. My lowest elevation was 4900 feet and highest was 11,600 feet. It would be nice to have extra range in those conditions with 50-100 miles in between gas stations or break area I want to stop at.
I know you saw this in my other thread, but chiming in here all the same.
Just pointing out that ~320 mile EPA range, doesn't typically mean ~250 miles between stops, at least with a BEV at highway speeds.
My EV has an EPA rated 320 mile range. The longest stretch I've ever done on the highway in one go, was 248 miles. And that was from ~92% charge, down to 11% charge. But my shorter stretches that used from ~85% charge, down to ~19-25%, were only 160 miles (speed and elevation are tough).
Not trying to dissuade from the BEV, just pointing out that 350 miles of bev range, probably won't work out to 350 miles of highway range, depending on where you live/what speeds/temperatures you drive in.
My experience is that realistic range is heavily dependent on driving style, speed, weather, elevation change, and tire pressure.
In the Lightning we regularly got an efficiency that would enable 250 miles without stopping from 100% to 20%.
It was very, very rare that we would actually drive that distance since that’s a 4+ hour drive.
In the Lightning we regularly got an efficiency that would enable 250 miles without stopping from 100% to 20%.
It was very, very rare that we would actually drive that distance since that’s a 4+ hour drive.
Still better than the 180 miles I get in my 20-year old Toyota at 90mph! That's from full tank to I-really-need-to-stop. I don't have many range-anxiety concerns about EVs, haha.
My Jeep is nearly 30yrs old, so I understand. 250 miles is pretty optimistic anymore (although TBH, I don't do long road trips with that vehicle anymore).
Just mentioning for people who are looking at EV range.
You're range numbers will be quite excellent when driving under 60MPH
The problem (for me) is driving under 60MPH for long distances
That is when I usually want go a little faster
ARGH!
The problem (for me) is driving under 60MPH for long distances
That is when I usually want go a little faster
ARGH!
On my summer road trips, that is a solid 20mph under the speed limit.
So its 20-30mph slower than most other travelers on the road. That would even be 10mph slower than the limit for semi-trucks.
I get going slower for efficiency. But at a certain point it becomes a safety issue.
I will sometimes though take shorter (mileage) routes that have lower average speeds but similar times, because I know the EV's are better at efficiency in those situations.
Yes, agreed, this might be what Space EV was talking about when it comes to driving style. His numbers are great in his example, but his average speed to achieve those numbers was just a tick under 60MPH over 4 hours and 17 minutes.
Its acheivable, but I am being realistic with myself and my own driving style when going on longer road trips, because in my case, they will involve long stretches averaging around 20 MPH faster than that (for some of the reasons you have stated, safety being one of the main ones based on the drivers around me and not wanting to go UNDER the speed limit)
So I thought the same thing..I’m in Idaho but I have played around with it more…and BEV should be sufficient. Here is ABRP (with Scout Traveller based on estimated battery and efficiency). Totally possible (now the question is do you want to stop and charge or stop and gas? (Edited to add photo that didn’t upload the first time)
Also just discovered that the ABRP app has added both Scouts..but I don’t think the efficiency is correct (1.74 for Terra vs 4.08 for Traveller). Anyone with experience what to guesstimate more accurate efficient (not towing of course!)
Didn’t want to delete this but wanted to update. The efficiency for the Traveller is wrong (4.08 miles/kwh) as default so this is not correct. Once I get a better estimate for efficiency I will repost. But the sentiment is that charging infrastructure even in rural Idaho/Montana is starting to improve….perhaps by 2028 enough that EREV won’t be as “needed”.
We don't know the exact efficiency.
But because we know the battery pack sizes (ballpark), and the estimated range, you can estimate with at least reasonable-ish figures.
The Harvester (EREV) is said to have 150 miles of range (EDIT: to clarify, I mean 150 miles of EV range, before gas kicks in), and ~60-70kwh battery.
The BEV is said to have 350 miles of range, and a ~120-130kwh battery (last I saw anyway, but I didn't do another lookup here, so please correct me if I'm wrong).
Which leaves us with a range of possible options:
EREV == 150/65 = 2.308 miles/kwh (down to ~2.14 miles/kwh, or up to 2.5 miles/kwh, depending on which battery size you use)
BEV == 350/125 = 2.8 miles/kwh (down to 2.69miles/kwh, or up to 2.91 miles/kwh, depending on the final battery size)
The difference could be in what they're calling the battery size. It could be they're talking gross battery capacity, and the harvester leaves more battery in reserve (ie, the 150 miles doesn't actually use all of that ~65kwh). Or maybe one is for the traveler and the other is for the truck? Not sure.
But I'd say somewhere in the 2.2-2.7miles/kwh seems like a decent ballpark guess for real life mixed driving numbers.
Last edited:
I’mSimilar threads
