20-24 mpg

[Xlargetophat]

So, after the 150 electric battery is drained that gives you 60 mpg equivalent, the harvest 4 cylinder generator can only charge at a 24 mpg rate? So basically we'll be getting 24 mpg....

This doesn't sound that epic

 

[apex96]

No official numbers for fuel economy or fuel economy equivalent have been released. Anything regarding potential fuel economy you see online or in this forum is pure speculation.

 

[R1TVT]

Let's try to be specific - This is a post about the HARVESTER / EREV configuration, which you will be able to drive as a pure EV in many situations. So the way the EPA certification will work is likely NOT ONE NUMBER.

Most likely, the EREV will get a 70-80MPGe score when running pure EV (which makes sense, and is on par with the Rivian Large Pack battery). Then, the EPA will likely score the generator. Obviously, as a driver, you could have a longer drive include both. The calculation would be an average of MPGe from EV and MPGe from gas generator, based on usage.

 

[Xlargetophat]

I can see people blowing through the 150 miles... Then gas up at the gas station to get 24 mpg. Not plug it in when they get home, then drive around all day bird watching on the harvester.

 

[J Alynn]

I can see people blowing through the 150 miles... Then gas up at the gas station to get 24 mpg. Not plug it in when they get home, then drive around all day bird watching on the harvester.

That is likely what most buyers and non E v proponents will do. Some folks just feel better burning gas.

 

[R1TVT]

I can see people blowing through the 150 miles... Then gas up at the gas station to get 24 mpg. Not plug it in when they get home, then drive around all day bird watching on the harvester.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em bub. No mandate to buy or not buy the Harvester. You do you...

 

[SrfnFly227]

I can see people blowing through the 150 miles... Then gas up at the gas station to get 24 mpg. Not plug it in when they get home, then drive around all day bird watching on the harvester.

That isn't how the system is being described. The only reason a person would drive 150 miles on 100% battery just to drive further on gas with a dead battery would be because of a personal decision to override the system logic. If a person has a 400 mile trip planned, the EREV will want to use battery power along with gas for the entire drive, probably arriving at the destination with about 20% battery and 20% gas.

 

[SrfnFly227]

No official numbers for fuel economy or fuel economy equivalent have been released. Anything regarding potential fuel economy you see online or in this forum is pure speculation.

My assumption is that 24 MPG is the 350 extra miles (500-150) divided by 15 gallons of gas (speculated gas tank size).

 

[apex96]

My assumption is that 24 MPG is the 350 extra miles (500-150) divided by 15 gallons of gas (speculated gas tank size).

That's likely where the number is coming from but since no official testing information has been provided it's speculation. Scout doesn't eve have pre-production vehicles on the road to test fuel economy, only mule vehicles.

 

[J Alynn]

That isn't how the system is being described. The only reason a person would drive 150 miles on 100% battery just to drive further on gas with a dead battery would be because of a personal decision to override the system logic. If a person has a 400 mile trip planned, the EREV will want to use battery power along with gas for the entire drive, probably arriving at the destination with about 20% battery and 20% gas.

Actually it’s been stated the system in theory would be that way. Once 150mile BEV is down to whatever SOC is set the gas engine takes over to run and thus charge the battery but unless my recollection is incorrect-you could just keep filling with gas and not put the vehicle on a charger. Doesn’t make sense to me but it sounds based on feedback from Jamie that it will indeed be possible

 

[cyure]

Actually it’s been stated the system in theory would be that way. Once 150mile BEV is down to whatever SOC is set the gas engine takes over to run and thus charge the battery but unless my recollection is incorrect-you could just keep filling with gas and not put the vehicle on a charger. Doesn’t make sense to me but it sounds based on feedback from Jamie that it will indeed be possible

Based on one of the videos from CES I think it was, there will be different settings. You can pick electric only, gas only, or let the Scout decide what to pull from.

 

[SrfnFly227]

Actually it’s been stated the system in theory would be that way. Once 150mile BEV is down to whatever SOC is set the gas engine takes over to run and thus charge the battery but unless my recollection is incorrect-you could just keep filling with gas and not put the vehicle on a charger. Doesn’t make sense to me but it sounds based on feedback from Jamie that it will indeed be possible

The thread OP is stating the battery would go to 0% and then the engine would kick on. I was stating that's not how it's designed to work on a long trip. As @cyure posted above, Scout has said that there will be different settings. One would have to select battery only in order to end up in a situation where you drove 150 miles and ended up with 0% battery and a 100% full gas tank.

 

[speedrye]

If I can do 95% of my driving in EV mode and still get 24mpg when gas mode is needed out of a full-size SUV on 35" tires, I'll be tickled pink.

 

[Xlargetophat]

Most people don't plan. Bird goes over there, I go over there. People pull into their driveway and barley get to the house door, not wanting to grab a cord. Wife husband or kid forgot to plug in.. When they park at work it's like a desert of barron wasteland of car obstacles. The gas is the hero to get out of the city.. the gas station down the block. Electricity bill is already skyhigh because of Bitcoin and data centers. It's probably easier to just pump the gas get a bag of potato chips and an extra large soda because it's 100°f out and crank up the AC on the way home. Wife parked in the cord length area or grandma so again you don't charge. Just park on the street you can just drive off in the morning without behaving to backup

 

[apex96]

Most people don't plan. Bird goes over there, I go over there. People pull into their driveway and barley get to the house door, not wanting to grab a cord. Wife husband or kid forgot to plug in.. When they park at work it's like a desert of barron wasteland of car obstacles. The gas is the hero to get out of the city.. the gas station down the block. Electricity bill is already skyhigh because of Bitcoin and data centers. It's probably easier to just pump the gas get a bag of potato chips and an extra large soda because it's 100°f out and crank up the AC on the way home. Wife parked in the cord length area or grandma so again you don't charge. Just park on the street you can just drive off in the morning without behaving to backup

These are YOUR grievances… what other folks do with their vehicles is no concern to you. If someone chooses to use their EREV Scout as a normal gas vehicle… so be it. Once someone purchases or leases a vehicle, how they choose to use it is their decision alone.

 

[R1TVT]

Most people don't plan. Bird goes over there, I go over there. People pull into their driveway and barley get to the house door, not wanting to grab a cord. Wife husband or kid forgot to plug in.. When they park at work it's like a desert of barron wasteland of car obstacles. The gas is the hero to get out of the city.. the gas station down the block. Electricity bill is already skyhigh because of Bitcoin and data centers. It's probably easier to just pump the gas get a bag of potato chips and an extra large soda because it's 100°f out and crank up the AC on the way home. Wife parked in the cord length area or grandma so again you don't charge. Just park on the street you can just drive off in the morning without behaving to backup

Let me help... It's spelled "barren". adjective
ˈba-rən

: not productive: such as
a)
: producing little or no vegetation : desolate
barren deserts

b)
: producing inferior crops
barren soil

c)
: unproductive of results or gain : fruitless
a barren scheme - (sort of like posting FUD about EV's on an EV OEM's community forum)

 

[J Alynn]

The thread OP is stating the battery would go to 0% and then the engine would kick on. I was stating that's not how it's designed to work on a long trip. As @cyure posted above, Scout has said that there will be different settings. One would have to select battery only in order to end up in a situation where you drove 150 miles and ended up with 0% battery and a 100% full gas tank.

Gotcha, missed the initial but in theory whatever lowest assoc is set at would be that which may be just slightly above. Will be curious how low Scout will allow it to get.

 

[LonnyMacD]

I thought it was a GENERATOR, not an engine. It’s not supposed to drive the vehicle rather power the batteries . . .

 

[J Alynn]

I thought it was a GENERATOR, not an engine. It’s not supposed to drive the vehicle rather power the batteries . . .

Correct but the generator is based of a 4-cyl engine. Just a game of semantics but you are correct

 

[LonnyMacD]

Correct but the generator is based of a 4-cyl engine. Just a game of semantics but you are correct

J, yes, I’m just a bit tired of folks saying how much mpg the engine gets. I knew it’s a 4-cyl., but it’s specifically meant for charging, not driving. If folks are really hell-bent on pushing the vehicles to that limit, buy an ice truck. Sorry, not sorry