Actual delay official and order of deliveries confirmed?

[SpaceEVDriver]

There are no 500-mile EPA range vehicles on the horizon. For the iX3, BMW is claiming 500 miles WLTP which is 400 miles EPA. While that is impressive, the iX3 is a compact SUV. It would take a large battery (which means large cost) to push a full size SUV or pickup 400 miles - this is just physics..... But if you need that (and are willing to pay for it), the Silverado EV is available today and has that kind of range.

Further, except for a tiny number of people that tow long distances often, it just doesn't make sense to haul that much battery around. Witness the poor sales of said Silverado EV. People don't want to pay for the extra range. For the few trips per year that most people do that go beyond their vehicle's range, they can just charge more often. IF that is not an option for you, then Harvester is a good choice.

People also don’t want to pay for the poor handling a large, heavy battery creates. Read the reviews of the Silverado/Sierra. The handling is more like a dump truck than a pickup truck.

Our 320 mile Lightning and 312 mile Mustang are great for never thinking about fuel again. We charge at home on solar for around town and regional (there-and-back-in-a-day trips). That’s for free. We charge to 100% for free before a longer road trip and arrive home with as little charge remaining as possible so we can charge for free again. During a road trip, we spend a median 25 minutes on a DCFC to recharge. That’s just barely enough time to eat, stretch, and use the restroom before we’re back on the road. Usually we end up charging past 85% because we need more time to finish the things we’re doing instead of babysitting the vehicle.

We’ve towed from Los Angeles (~sea level) to Flagstaff (7300 feet elevation) just fine with the Lightning; we had to make one extra stop, which is exactly how many extra stops I would have had to make with our Tacoma. We’ve towed tractors up the mountain. We’ve towed my utility trailer all over our local area. We’ve never been unable to go where we wanted while towing.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Don’t get me wrong: aesthetically, the Fiat is cute (I love the rose gold color that they offered), but it is not a great pick. There’s not a great option for a little (compact) EV right now in MY 2026.

If I was looking to buy a new, compact BEV, I’d absolutely buy the Chevy Bolt. I know several people who own the previous generation and they are fantastic vehicles.

If I was looking for a compact BEV and I didn’t care if it was used or new, I’d buy the 2023 Bolt.

I don’t know anything about “cute,” but it’s a well-engineered vehicle at a decent price.

 

[robothero]

We have so many Broncos in SEPA as well, although maybe I'm just always seeing the same ones.

 

[J Alynn]

We have so many Broncos in SEPA as well, although maybe I'm just always seeing the same ones.

I see a bunch in Lancaster area too but Texas is over the top with the amount of them on the roads and parking lots

 

[Thavin4]

If I was looking to buy a new, compact BEV, I’d absolutely buy the Chevy Bolt. I know several people who own the previous generation and they are fantastic vehicles.

If I was looking for a compact BEV and I didn’t care if it was used or new, I’d buy the 2023 Bolt.

I don’t know anything about “cute,” but it’s a well-engineered vehicle at a decent price.

Do you think it holds (will hold) against the Rivian R3? Looking for a compact BEV for my wife. She's happy for me to have the Scout, but she likes the small cars for in and around town.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Do you think it holds (will hold) against the Rivian R3? Looking for a compact BEV for my wife. She's happy for me to have the Scout, but she likes the small cars for in and around town.

Since the R3 is still basically vapor, I’d absolutely go with a Bolt. If you’re worried about resale value, get it on a 3-year lease and hope the R3 will be out by the time your lease is up. If it’s not, you have the option to buy the Bolt and hang onto it for a bit longer. Or something similar might be available by then.

 

[R1TVT]

Agreed, since it is not even a choice at this stage. you can ONLY get a Bolt.

The thing that Rivian has going for it with its own "vapor ware" is that the R3 is probably much further along its path to production (at this point) than the R1 was at the time when they took the trucks out for the Long Way Up series with Ewan McGregor. Its current status is probably not far off from what we have seen from Scout so far. Rivian now has a foundation to work from, they have all the SW built, they have a factory, staff, service, a sales model, etc.

 

[cyure]

Agreed, since it is not even a choice at this stage. you can ONLY get a Bolt.

The thing that Rivian has going for it with its own "vapor ware" is that the R3 is probably much further along its path to production (at this point) than the R1 was at the time when they took the trucks out for the Long Way Up series with Ewan McGregor. Its current status is probably not far off from what we have seen from Scout so far. Rivian now has a foundation to work from, they have all the SW built, they have a factory, staff, service, a sales model, etc.


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I really like them. My son really really likes them. He’s hoping they start taking reservations soon.

 

[speedrye]

IF Rivian put some physical buttons in the R3, I'd definitely be in line for a launch R3X. Buttons are a deal-breaker for me on a vehicle.

 

[maynard]

Agreed, since it is not even a choice at this stage. you can ONLY get a Bolt.

The thing that Rivian has going for it with its own "vapor ware" is that the R3 is probably much further along its path to production (at this point) than the R1 was at the time when they took the trucks out for the Long Way Up series with Ewan McGregor. Its current status is probably not far off from what we have seen from Scout so far. Rivian now has a foundation to work from, they have all the SW built, they have a factory, staff, service, a sales model, etc.


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I really liked all the "Long Way" documentary films... Wish I wasn't so old to try something like that in retirement... A trip to Alaska from Michigan is about the best I'll ever get.

 

[cyure]

I really liked all the "Long Way" documentary films... Wish I wasn't so old to try something like that in retirement... A trip to Alaska from Michigan is about the best I'll ever get.

You should totally do it!

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I really liked all the "Long Way" documentary films... Wish I wasn't so old to try something like that in retirement... A trip to Alaska from Michigan is about the best I'll ever get.

What’s “old?” Do it!

 

[maynard]

What’s “old?” Do it!

It took 3 weeks to go up and over to Alaska and back - then it took about 2 months for my body to recover! (and that's when I was 55!)
Now at 63 I've been doing shorter trips more frequently... Will be heading to Deal's Gap in May and then to the Wayne National Forest right before IH Nationals. If Scout will be there again I'm going to ride there as well...

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

It took 3 weeks to go up and over to Alaska and back - then it took about 2 months for my body to recover! (and that's when I was 55!)
Now at 63 I've been doing shorter trips more frequently... Will be heading to Deal's Gap in May and then to the Wayne National Forest right before IH Nationals. If Scout will be there again I'm going to ride there as well...

63? Lightweight! He says from his easy chair with a sore back, hamstrings, knees etc.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

It took 3 weeks to go up and over to Alaska and back - then it took about 2 months for my body to recover! (and that's when I was 55!)
Now at 63 I've been doing shorter trips more frequently... Will be heading to Deal's Gap in May and then to the Wayne National Forest right before IH Nationals. If Scout will be there again I'm going to ride there as well...

Could you do a series of short trips that are separated by long stops in calming, restful places?

 

[Scoutsie]

63? Lightweight! He says from his easy chair with a sore back, hamstrings, knees etc.

Well, I’m 47 and drove to New Jersey a couple of years back in beach traffic. I have a couple of compressed cervical discs and needed the next couple of days to rest my sore neck. I’m kind of concerned about what drugs I need to take to survive a trip to South Carolina for a factory pick-up and also still be legally fit to drive.

 

[cyure]

Well, I’m 47 and drove to New Jersey a couple of years back in beach traffic. I have a couple of compressed cervical discs and needed the next couple of days to rest my sore neck. I’m kind of concerned about what drugs I need to take to survive a trip to South Carolina for a factory pick-up and also still be legally fit to drive.

Can you fly down?

Here’s a question. Let’s say someone wants to do a factory pick up but for whatever reason the drive is too long or they just can’t do it. Could you fly down. Do all the fun things. Fly home and your Scout is delivered to your driveway after?

 

[Scoutsie]

Can you fly down?

Here’s a question. Let’s say someone wants to do a factory pick up but for whatever reason the drive is too long or they just can’t do it. Could you fly down. Do all the fun things. Fly home and your Scout is delivered to your driveway after?

That would be pretty rad! Like if it’s loaded onto a car carrier with other cars headed to your area… that would be rad. I wouldn’t mind waiting for it. I would be totally fine with that if I just got to see it first.

 

[cyure]

That would be pretty rad! Like if it’s loaded onto a car carrier with other cars headed to your area… that would be rad. I wouldn’t mind waiting for it. I would be totally fine with that if I just got to see it first.

I don’t see why they couldn’t. BMW does that where you can go over to Germany and then you leave and then they ship your car to the dealer.

 

[J Alynn]

Can you fly down?

Here’s a question. Let’s say someone wants to do a factory pick up but for whatever reason the drive is too long or they just can’t do it. Could you fly down. Do all the fun things. Fly home and your Scout is delivered to your driveway after?

That seems feasible but maybe a small fee. Maybe they’ll have mobile trade in. That’s why I almost like the idea of doing a factory tour when you order rather than when you get it. All the fun. All the education, then several months of anxiously waiting for it to arrive at your driveway and waving goodbye to your current vehicle