Actual delay official and order of deliveries confirmed?

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I am trying to look at the glass half full, but from what I read about as far as the plant in SC, they're a shit ton over budget. Add that to the towing situation, it's getting harder to stay positive. I have been a Toyota guy all my life but loved the old Scouts growing up. I hope there's good news on the horizon, I really want one. Salute!
Most of the cost overruns are for work South Carolina is obligated to perform at the Blythewood site.
 
I am trying to look at the glass half full, but from what I read about as far as the plant in SC, they're a shit ton over budget. Add that to the towing situation, it's getting harder to stay positive. I have been a Toyota guy all my life but loved the old Scouts growing up. I hope there's good news on the horizon, I really want one. Salute!
"Faith and patience" is the word on this forum. If reading about Scout outside of this forum makes you anxious, I would suggest you stop looking outside. I find the best information is right here. From the progress I see at the plant, it hasn't slowed down, so only Scout should be concerned about the budget. Part of the budget overrun was with the SC government overruns anyway. I plan to be in Blythewood on April 20 adjacent to the plant as will some other forum members. We'll report any updates. So in the meantime, hang here with us and just enjoy the ride.
 
I am trying to look at the glass half full, but from what I read about as far as the plant in SC, they're a shit ton over budget. Add that to the towing situation, it's getting harder to stay positive. I have been a Toyota guy all my life but loved the old Scouts growing up. I hope there's good news on the horizon, I really want one. Salute!
Hi! Glass half full kinda gal here. I remember the costs had been addressed somewhere. It’s my understanding that the state is over budget on costs related to the land, etc. Then there are costs related to the supplier park, but that’s not a cost overrun for the factory. The latest pictures of the factory are amazing. It looks like a real car plant!

As for towing, I don’t tow, but I get it. I am sure that SM is doing what they can to maximize the towing numbers with the comments that started after that 5,000 pound number was mentioned.

I really do hope the numbers meet your needs and you get your Scout.

As I always say, faith and patience©️.
 
I am trying to look at the glass half full, but from what I read about as far as the plant in SC, they're a shit ton over budget. Add that to the towing situation, it's getting harder to stay positive. I have been a Toyota guy all my life but loved the old Scouts growing up. I hope there's good news on the horizon, I really want one. Salute!
There’s more to the story when you dig deeper. I see that someone else gave the details. There has been confirmation that anything Scout related gets greats clicks online. Anything negative is that much more. The factory is huge and complex. Boeing is here in Charleston and had all sorts of issues building it out. They’re making plenty of 787s now and even expanding again. Patience is a virtue. They will not put something in the market that is not competitive.
 
"Faith and patience" is the word on this forum. If reading about Scout outside of this forum makes you anxious, I would suggest you stop looking outside. I find the best information is right here. From the progress I see at the plant, it hasn't slowed down, so only Scout should be concerned about the budget. Part of the budget overrun was with the SC government overruns anyway. I plan to be in Blythewood on April 20 adjacent to the plant as will some other forum members. We'll report any updates. So in the meantime, hang here with us and just enjoy the ride.
Well said and agree wholeheartedly
 
When the Jay Leno interview came out with the 5k towing number, I pretty much immediately called BS. There was just zero way in my mind that they would release a full-size truck with such poor towing numbers. They know they have to be competitive.

The Jay Leno interview was with the ceo i doubt it was BS. Keep in mind the whole design of the Scout vehicles is based around off road adventure. Off road adventure usually means an articulating off-road hitch. This means almost all 1/2 ton trucks are not rated much more then 5,000 gwr to (500 lb tongue weight rating) without a wdh. Wdh generally do not work off-road. Then with the Harvester they plan is to put and ice engine and gas tank south of rear axel. This is going to limit towing capacity. People should just realize the Harvester models are not going to be able to tow heavy trailers.
 
The Jay Leno interview was with the ceo i doubt it was BS. Keep in mind the whole design of the Scout vehicles is based around off road adventure. Off road adventure usually means an articulating off-road hitch. This means almost all 1/2 ton trucks are not rated much more then 5,000 gwr to (500 lb tongue weight rating) without a wdh. Wdh generally do not work off-road. Then with the Harvester they plan is to put and ice engine and gas tank south of rear axel. This is going to limit towing capacity. People should just realize the Harvester models are not going to be able to tow heavy trailers.
Somewhere on the forum a few months ago, there was an update that the genset and fuel tank would be between the axles, so there shouldn’t be a reduction in tongue weight availability with the Harvester. They’re now working on the thermal management part of the problem.

But also, the CEO of most companies isn’t in the engineering department. My suspicion is that the CEO read the 5000 pound towing capacity without a WDH in a column for the Harvester and just memorized that number as a max towing capacity for the Harvester.
 
Somewhere on the forum a few months ago, there was an update that the genset and fuel tank would be between the axles, so there shouldn’t be a reduction in tongue weight availability with the Harvester. They’re now working on the thermal management part of the problem.

But also, the CEO of most companies isn’t in the engineering department. My suspicion is that the CEO read the 5000 pound towing capacity without a WDH in a column for the Harvester and just memorized that number as a max towing capacity for the Harvester.

I missed that about the engine being in-between axels. Thx Space. What about cargo caring capacity? Good point about ceo not being an engineer.
 
I missed that about the engine being in-between axels. Thx Space. What about cargo caring capacity? Good point about ceo not being an engineer.
We don’t know what they’ll do for trade-off between battery mass vs genset, fuel, etc., mass. A lot of people believe that batteries are massive, and they are, but so are gensets. My *guess* is that the cargo capacity will be similar between the Harvester and BEV.

Another *guess* is that the ultimate towing capacity will be higher for the BEV than estimated in the official statements. With the outcry about towing capacity of the Harvester, I’m betting that they are working to improve thermal management of the Harvester. I would not be surprised if they decide to give the BEV the Harvester’s thermal management improvements, bumping up the towing capacity of the BEV another 20% or so. My *guess* is that the Terra BEV will get around 12k towing capacity and that the Terra Harvester gets 10k. The Traveler (SUV) will probably be lower since it has a smaller wheelbase, might have less room for all the thermal management equipment, might have a smaller battery, etc.

That will be the maximum.

People’s choices about wheels, tires, battery size (if there’s an option), tow package, etc., will reduce the actual GVWR and GCWR for their particular vehicle.
 
So basically Scout confirmed what they announced initially. I don’t recall deliveries being promised in 2027. Just that production starts that year. There will still be testing, validation, and press reviews well before they reach customers hands, like any other vehicle launch.

It sounds like my plan to purchase and diesel swap a GX460 will move forward this winter since their timeline hasn’t moved up.

By the time our Odyssey is paid off the EREV Travelers will be available and her van will be retired until the kids are ready to drive.

Great news honestly.
 
I missed that about the engine being in-between axels. Thx Space. What about cargo caring capacity? Good point about ceo not being an engineer.
The engine and genset are between the frame rails, right behind the rear axle. The fuel tank in the Traveler is under the rear seat.
 
The engine and genset are between the frame rails, right behind the rear axle. The fuel tank in the Traveler is under the rear seat.
Thanks Jamie.

I swear I saw somewhere on here that the engine/genset would be between the axles. I must have misread something.
My apologies to everyone if I did misread and/or misrepresent what I read.

If the engine/genset is aft of the rear axle, that seems it would effectively reduce available tongue weight on a 1:1 basis, assuming the same suspension on the Harvester vs BEV.
 
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Thanks Jamie.

I swear I saw somewhere on here that the engine/genset would be between the axles. I must have misread something.
My apologies to everyone if I did misread and/or misrepresent what I read.

If the engine/genset is aft of the rear axle, that seems it would effectively reduce available tongue weight on a 1:1 basis, assuming the same suspension on the Harvester vs BEV.
No reason to apologize. There’s so much info on here it’s easy to get something confused with something else.
 
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