Harvester
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If the charger works and you're near a highway. I've traveled on so many offroads and arrived to charging networks that didn't work.
If this is to be accurate then scout would be pulling a major Tesla move, over promise, severely under deliver. And if they did that for one they'd likely do it for everything
There's no way to get 350 miles out of 130 kw on a vehicle that's the same size as the Lightning unless your doing 45 mph with no AC.
Man! Can you imagine being off-road with a gigantic generator bouncing around off the ass-end of your truck, sounds awesome.
I'm on the East Coast luckily, and we have excellent infrastructure up and down the ENTIRE corridor. Non-issue for interstate travel.
And nobody is stopping anyone from going way off grid to boondock and take a generator! People do that all the time!
lol no one said you had to. I am talking about boondocking offgrid. If you have tensioned hitch, no bounce.. Besides stow in the rear bed strapped down. Ya.. It's nice when you have good places to charge but if you have ever traveled way out where there is none, it sucks. App says it should work.. Does it work? no. You get there with 30 miles of range left and find that out.. That experience sucks and leaves people wanting to go back to ICE. What do you do? You call the tow truck bc there isn't any charging for 150 miles. What I do is carry a 50amp extension and check RV places as a worst case scenario.
So if this is going to be taken seriously.. there has to be thought involved. My honest advice to Scout and I know I am one of the few that will actually do this for remote trips.. Put the port in the rear bed where other charge ports are.. I assume Scout didn't put all the charge ports on the outside of the vehicle.
Additionally, adding a dedicated 50-amp port or similar inside the vehicle would allow owners to run a solar-covered bed cover, giving them extra off-grid charging capability or the ability to power accessories directly from the truck.
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I was going to buy it but not anymore. And there's no mention if the Harvester will charge stationary. You might be in the same boat.
I believe @Jamie@ScoutMotors as indicated this will be possible in Camp mode.
That's good news but still going EV only and I hope Scout will make at bare minimum the port in the back available.
If you're willing to take a 50% cut for towing and slower performance and handling, this is for you.
Not for me, but for some it makes perfect sense.
The simplicity, performance, lack of maintenance, and no secondary system far outweigh any edge case I may have for a Harvester. I'm sure that also having nearly 60K miles under my belt on my current R1T probably makes my decision a lot easier to go BEV. I remain perfectly content watching others elect to buy the Harvester. It will wind up being a bridge vehicle for many buyers - likely leading to their first pure EV (and helping Scout sell trucks). I just view EREV's as obsolete technology already, but certainly not for others based on their individual use-case or where they live, which is fine. Eventually, and as infrastructure continues to grow, there will be fewer and fewer EREVs.
There's going to be trade-offs and that's why I'm trying to bring this up now because the direction I want to go is obviously regular EV but then having some simple, thoughtful strategies would be very good
Good thing you're not buying a boat. Everything is a trade-off.
You're definitely making me reconsider the Harvester and just sticking with BEV. Initially I wanted to try something new, but the first thing I could think of when hearing about the Harvester was what and when the complications will start to show with two powertrains working together, and the thought of pulling into a gas station or having to schedule an oil change makes me want to run in the other direction.
I don't tow, I don't haul, I commute, and play in the woods on the weekends, and with charging infrastructure as good as it is not only east coast but across the country a high range BEV is easily the best option.
I tow - but only locally. I boondock, but I'm in New England. I road trip, but usually on the I-95 corridor. I do a $hit-ton of winter driving, but usually within relatively easy range of a DCFC (even if I'm going into a backcountry zone).
I know the harvester will be great for some people - I just don't need it at all, and I don't mind stopping at all to charge and eat on a 600 mile road trip (which I consider to be an edge case). Everyone has a different situation though.
I live in GA what's snow? Haha! I have plenty of DCFC as well, and tbh I actually quite like stopping on road trips personally. It's nice to get out have a walk around, explore a bit and not be a rush everywhere.
Then you'll love a BEV.
Unless you're the kind of driver who prefers to bring pee bottles, a 25-minute stop is normal. My median stop time on charger is 25-minutes.
My median stop time road tripping before BEVs was 30 minutes. We had to stop twice: once to fuel up and again to go to a restaurant.
The fear about not being able to get to a charger when adventuring goes away pretty quickly once you've driven a bit and when you realize that low speed can double your BEV efficiency and range. Or that access to a Level 2 charge opportunity is far, far more common than DCFC. And that even a Level 1 can get you quite a charge if you're staying somewhere overnight, and Level 1 is often free if you ask nicely.
For example, we go on a regular camping trip to Kodachrome State Park in Utah. With our Tacoma, we had to take the long way around because there are no gas stations anywhere near the park and we HAD to refuel before going into the park. But the park has RV sites with 50 Amp service. That means we can take the shorter route, get 3-4 miles per kWh for a good 50 miles of dirt road, and then fully charge overnight. Then we get to adventure all over the Escalante-Grand Staircase park, charging every night. With the gassy vehicles, we had to make a diversion to Bryce on our way in and at least once while camping so we could refuel.
For our use cases, adventures are generally better enabled by having a BEV than when we had a gassy vehicle.
We have a lot less dense DCFC charging infrastructure in the southwest.
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