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But what if we develop a coal-based charging solution... 🤔
It’s a funny idea but we have state reps in WV, that during the cold snap, touting on social media the hard work of their coal fire power plants… stating the plants are using wv sourced coal to produce electricity for wv residents… all while the electric providers have requested and received rate increases from the wv state legislature and jacked up rates year-over-year… these state reps own constituents have complained about the rate increases and I doubt they really care where the energy came from, they just want the costs to decrease.

I don’t live in wv but I do work in the state so I keep en eye on their news…
 
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Looks like they have revised some of the language in the FAQ section of the website.

Now it is showing both drive units will be supplied by AAM. Previously it was only the rear axle if I am not mistaken.
 
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Wow. I posted my frustration and deal breaker status of those door handles in that thread yesterday. I'm a 2yr reservation holder not just some internet commenter, same with most others in that thread. Quick recap. If the button doesn't work you have to reach down low on the door card, remove a panel, and pull a cord to release the door. Kids will not understand that and random passengers riding in the back will not understand that....especially in an emergency.

Wassym essentially said the button will always work because it can pull power from either the 12V or the high voltage battery. I think one of the replies on there says it best..
I watch a lot videos about aviation incidents on YouTube. MentourPilot is one channel, Green Dot Aviation is another. AdmiralCloudberg’s write-ups are excellent as well.

For those not familiar with the Swiss Cheese Model, it is a model in risk analysis and risk management that “likens human systems to multiple slices of Swiss cheese, which have randomly placed and sized holes in each slice, stacked side by side, in which the risk of a threat becoming a reality is mitigated by the different types of defenses which are “layered” behind each other. Therefore, in theory, lapses and weaknesses in one defense (e.g. a hole in one slice of cheese) do not allow a risk to materialize, since other defenses also exist (e.g. other slices of cheese), to prevent a single point of failure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

From a company that has a history of its vehicles leaving the factory in a condition that probably should have been caught in QC, this response is starting to look like the holes of the swiss cheese lining up.

I would trust Boeing and Airbus planes with their multiple redundant systems to perform critical functions in an aircraft today. I would not trust Rivian this early on, with their claims of redundant systems being so reliable that they don’t even intend for a hidden pull cord to be used by rear occupants in an emergency.

If this is really the position that Rivian is going to take on this rear door debacle, then it reaffirms the decision to not buy a R2 (as it’s currently designed and engineered with respect to the rear doors). I could not have my family ride in something like that.
So now you have to trust Rivian's rear door system is safe enough which I guess is no different than trusting them on any other safety systems on the vehicle. It still gives me a LOT of pause and I hope Scout can just make a simple damn door lol.
 
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Wow. I posted my frustration and deal breaker status of those door handles in that thread yesterday. I'm a 2yr reservation holder not just some internet commenter, same with most others in that thread. Quick recap. If the button doesn't work you have to reach down low on the door card, remove a panel, and pull a cord to release the door. Kids will not understand that and random passengers riding in the back will not understand that....especially in an emergency.

Wassym essentially said the button will always work because it can pull power from either the 12V or the high voltage battery. I think one of the replies on there says it best..

So now you have to trust Rivian's rear door system is safe enough which I guess is no different than trusting them on any other safety systems on the vehicle. It still gives me a LOT of pause and I hope Scout can just make a simple damn door lol.
The Scout doors will be mechanical. So we should not have to deal with releases and things. If there’s no power we just open the door because they are mechanical, am I understanding that correctly?
 
Wow. I posted my frustration and deal breaker status of those door handles in that thread yesterday. I'm a 2yr reservation holder not just some internet commenter, same with most others in that thread. Quick recap. If the button doesn't work you have to reach down low on the door card, remove a panel, and pull a cord to release the door. Kids will not understand that and random passengers riding in the back will not understand that....especially in an emergency.

Wassym essentially said the button will always work because it can pull power from either the 12V or the high voltage battery. I think one of the replies on there says it best..

So now you have to trust Rivian's rear door system is safe enough which I guess is no different than trusting them on any other safety systems on the vehicle. It still gives me a LOT of pause and I hope Scout can just make a simple damn door lol.
Exactly all of this. I have worked on enough high-risk systems and in enough situations where assumptions could get someone killed that I will never trust an engineer who thinks a redundancy is unnecessary.

I especially am losing trust in Rivian engineers after their nonsense rejection of physical interfaces because they don't think they fit into their software-defined vehicle paradigm. That's exactly the wrong way to go about functional design. Functional design breaks the rules when function dictates.
 
Wow. I posted my frustration and deal breaker status of those door handles in that thread yesterday. I'm a 2yr reservation holder not just some internet commenter, same with most others in that thread. Quick recap. If the button doesn't work you have to reach down low on the door card, remove a panel, and pull a cord to release the door. Kids will not understand that and random passengers riding in the back will not understand that....especially in an emergency.

Wassym essentially said the button will always work because it can pull power from either the 12V or the high voltage battery. I think one of the replies on there says it best..

So now you have to trust Rivian's rear door system is safe enough which I guess is no different than trusting them on any other safety systems on the vehicle. It still gives me a LOT of pause and I hope Scout can just make a simple damn door lol.
10000% agree.

I'm amazed that they went with the pull cord again. As you said, thats a huge issue, particularly with kids in the backseat.

And there has been a lot of talk in the press about electric door handles in general lately (Chinas new law for instance).

That was one of the things i checked on our Ioniq 9 before we bought. It has the dumb electric/retracting handles on the outside, but the inside releases are mechanical.
 
I don’t know if this is real. According to the photo, the RAM Charger BEV Laramie was planned to cost $112k with a $2k destination.

I just can’t. Here’s the thing that I keep thinking. Car dealers and manufacturers want us to buy new cars frequently right. Who can do that at those prices! And you know the dealers are going to mark them up even more. So by the time you add on dealer add ons and markup and tax and licenses you are right up to the cost of my first house. Absolutely not!
 
Wow. I posted my frustration and deal breaker status of those door handles in that thread yesterday. I'm a 2yr reservation holder not just some internet commenter, same with most others in that thread. Quick recap. If the button doesn't work you have to reach down low on the door card, remove a panel, and pull a cord to release the door. Kids will not understand that and random passengers riding in the back will not understand that....especially in an emergency.

Wassym essentially said the button will always work because it can pull power from either the 12V or the high voltage battery. I think one of the replies on there says it best..

So now you have to trust Rivian's rear door system is safe enough which I guess is no different than trusting them on any other safety systems on the vehicle. It still gives me a LOT of pause and I hope Scout can just make a simple damn door lol.

"I would trust Boeing... planes with their multiple redundant systems to perform critical functions in an aircraft today.

Just like on 737 MAX? That airplane is why we stopped flying Southwest. Trash.
 
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I just can’t. Here’s the thing that I keep thinking. Car dealers and manufacturers want us to buy new cars frequently right. Who can do that at those prices! And you know the dealers are going to mark them up even more. So by the time you add on dealer add ons and markup and tax and licenses you are right up to the cost of my first house. Absolutely not!
Exactly.

Most manufacturers selling vehicles in the US are helping dig their own global graves by retreating from the future, chasing weirdly irrelevant aspects of some successful vehicles, requiring subscriptions for so many things that should be default part of the purchase price, pushing protectionism, and coupling all of that with increasingly higher and higher prices.

I am a huge car guy, but the past 18 months has led me to deep skepticism and malaise about our future options. Scout shows some good stuff, but if they make the mistake of cramming in ai, software-defined-everything, and etc.,.. :(
 
Exactly.

Most manufacturers selling vehicles in the US are helping dig their own global graves by retreating from the future, chasing weirdly irrelevant aspects of some successful vehicles, requiring subscriptions for so many things that should be default part of the purchase price, pushing protectionism, and coupling all of that with increasingly higher and higher prices.

I am a huge car guy, but the past 18 months has led me to deep skepticism and malaise about our future options. Scout shows some good stuff, but if they make the mistake of cramming in ai, software-defined-everything, and etc.,.. :(
Faith and patience. That’s all we can do right now. For me it’s the Scout or the Jeep just keeps plugging along. I have no Plan B at this point.
 
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