Travelall 3 Row

[JAngley]

Create a Travelall version. 3 row, long wheel base (try to keep rear axle as far back as possible for off road but not make it awkward). This with the Harvester range extender would be the perfect vehicle for a big family.

 

[Logan]

I’m gonna be straight here and ask why there is a need for a more ginormous SUV. Are there really that many ginormous families who need to take every member of their ginormous families somewhere every single day?

I’d think a li’l fella would be the money maker for city living and single folks, but what do I know?

I've got two siblings that each need 7-8 passenger minivans, to go to church, or a soccer game, or whatever, because they have 5-6 kids, all under age 16.

In fact, at least 2 other local families here that have had to go with chevy express/ford transit vans to fit all the kids (9 kids in one family, 14 in the other... and no, thats not a typo).

So they're definitely out there. That said, the market isn't yuuuuuge either, so I get it. Although, they'd be pretty unique in the market if they did that.

My personal pet peeve, is how three row electric SUV's right now (other than the new Escalade), are all strangely 6, or 7 passenger vehicles only. And they are all 7 passenger with a bench seat across the middle row (2 in the front, 3 across the middle, 2 in the back), instead of offering 7 passengers with middle row captains chairs and a rear bench (2 up front-2 in the middle-3 across the back).

For instance, the Kia EV9, Hyundai Ioniq 9, VW ID Buzz, and Rivian R1S all, only have 2 passengers across the back. And this is despite the back row being the same dimensions as the Hyundai Palisade, Kia Telluride, etc, that all come with captains chairs in the middle, and 3 seatbelts in the rear row. It makes no sense to me.

For those of us that want captains chairs in the middle of a three row vehicle, yet still have 7 passengers, its really frustrating.

 

[cyure]

I've got two siblings that each need 7-8 passenger minivans, to go to church, or a soccer game, or whatever, because they have 5-6 kids, all under age 16.

In fact, at least 2 other local families here that have had to go with chevy express/ford transit vans to fit all the kids (9 kids in one family, 14 in the other... and no, thats not a typo).

So they're definitely out there. That said, the market isn't yuuuuuge either, so I get it. Although, they'd be pretty unique in the market if they did that.

My personal pet peeve, is how three row electric SUV's right now (other than the new Escalade), are all strangely 6, or 7 passenger vehicles only. And they are all 7 passenger with a bench seat across the middle row (2 in the front, 3 across the middle, 2 in the back), instead of offering 7 passengers with middle row captains chairs and a rear bench (2 up front-2 in the middle-3 across the back).

For instance, the Kia EV9, Hyundai Ioniq 9, VW ID Buzz, and Rivian R1S all, only have 2 passengers across the back. And this is despite the back row being the same dimensions as the Hyundai Palisade, Kia Telluride, etc, that all come with captains chairs in the middle, and 3 seatbelts in the rear row. It makes no sense to me.

For those of us that want captains chairs in the middle of a three row vehicle, yet still have 7 passengers, its really frustrating.

14!!!

 

[JAngley]

I've got two siblings that each need 7-8 passenger minivans, to go to church, or a soccer game, or whatever, because they have 5-6 kids, all under age 16.

In fact, at least 2 other local families here that have had to go with chevy express/ford transit vans to fit all the kids (9 kids in one family, 14 in the other... and no, thats not a typo).

So they're definitely out there. That said, the market isn't yuuuuuge either, so I get it. Although, they'd be pretty unique in the market if they did that.

My personal pet peeve, is how three row electric SUV's right now (other than the new Escalade), are all strangely 6, or 7 passenger vehicles only. And they are all 7 passenger with a bench seat across the middle row (2 in the front, 3 across the middle, 2 in the back), instead of offering 7 passengers with middle row captains chairs and a rear bench (2 up front-2 in the middle-3 across the back).

For instance, the Kia EV9, Hyundai Ioniq 9, VW ID Buzz, and Rivian R1S all, only have 2 passengers across the back. And this is despite the back row being the same dimensions as the Hyundai Palisade, Kia Telluride, etc, that all come with captains chairs in the middle, and 3 seatbelts in the rear row. It makes no sense to me.

For those of us that want captains chairs in the middle of a three row vehicle, yet still have 7 passengers, its really frustrating.

I agree, the captains chairs are nice and I get why they like them, hell I like them, but it can be a waste and would also make more sense if the third row was 3 across which I think most are not like that because of the suspension taking real estate from the sides in the rear there.

 

[LastDayScout]

The little ones don’t sell here. My son complains all the cool hot hatches are overseas. I actually like wagons. The Audi wagon I like starts at $135,000 and the BMW M5 has a wagon and that thing is $150,000. There’s cheaper wagons overseas. We don’t get them here. I’m actually surprised they still sell the 2 door Jeep because they do not sell very many of them compared to the 4 door.

I don’t know why, but everything has to be bigger in America.

I was on the wait list for the M5 Touring. I turned it down because it is not fully electric and it is way too big. But, it sure looks good.

 

[LastDayScout]

The little ones don’t sell here. My son complains all the cool hot hatches are overseas. I actually like wagons. The Audi wagon I like starts at $135,000 and the BMW M5 has a wagon and that thing is $150,000. There’s cheaper wagons overseas. We don’t get them here. I’m actually surprised they still sell the 2 door Jeep because they do not sell very many of them compared to the 4 door.

I don’t know why, but everything has to be bigger in America.

One of my favorite vehicles ever is the Jeep Cherokee XJ. What a great size. It was extremely capable and versatile. It also looked at home everywhere. The closest modern EV equivalent based on dimensions is the VW iD.4. I just personally do not like that vehicle. But, I wish Scout had something the exact same size with about 9" of ground clearance.

 

[cyure]

I was on the wait list for the M5 Touring. I turned it down because it is not fully electric and it is way too big. But, it sure looks good.

So pretty but also so much money.

 

[cyure]

One of my favorite vehicles ever is the Jeep Cherokee XJ. What a great size. It was extremely capable and versatile. It also looked at home everywhere. The closest modern EV equivalent based on dimensions is the VW iD.4. I just personally do not like that vehicle. But, I wish Scout had something the exact same size with about 9" of ground clearance.

I hope Scout is so successful they can go in both directions. Make a 3 row and then a smaller 2 door. They really would have something for everyone then. Oh and a convertible Scout. That would be so fun. I know cabana top but convertible is different.

 

[Chavannigans]

I’m gonna be straight here and ask why there is a need for a more ginormous SUV. Are there really that many ginormous families who need to take every member of their ginormous families somewhere every single day?

I’d think a li’l fella would be the money maker for city living and single folks, but what do I know?

Your comment makes sense, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with where you live and your lifetstyle.

My state is massive. Driving anywhere notable usually takes a full day. Having more space on short trips around town doesnt make much sense, but if you are racking up miles each day, and on road trips... it gets appealing by that 4th hour.

Even in Metro areas like Houston, trucks and SUVs regularly outsell cars by a large margin.

In 2022 The Chevy Tahoe (105,756) and GMC Yukon (82,304) had a combined sales of 188,060 and if you lump them together they outsold the top selling SUV in the US, the Toyota Rav 4 with 115,402 units sold respectively. If you add the Escalades 40,247 units sold that year... its a big gap.

The market is really what drives decisions like this, and there is definitely a market for chonky full size SUVs in America.

While they may not be practical for you personally there are a few million households that prefer them.

So to answer your question, yes. There is a need for more ginormous SUVs.

 

[LastDayScout]

I hope Scout is so successful they can go in both directions. Make a 3 row and then a smaller 2 door. They really would have something for everyone then. Oh and a convertible Scout. That would be so fun. I know cabana top but convertible is different.

I would like to see a Rivian R2S size as well. I could have, but not must have, solid rear axle.

 

[LastDayScout]

Your comment makes sense, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with where you live and your lifetstyle.

My state is massive. Driving anywhere notable usually takes a full day. Having more space on short trips around town doesnt make much sense, but if you are racking up miles each day, and on road trips... it gets appealing by that 4th hour.

Even in Metro areas like Houston, trucks and SUVs regularly outsell cars by a large margin.

In 2022 The Chevy Tahoe (105,756) and GMC Yukon (82,304) had a combined sales of 188,060 and if you lump them together they outsold the top selling SUV in the US, the Toyota Rav 4 with 115,402 units sold respectively. If you add the Escalades 40,247 units sold that year... its a big gap.

The market is really what drives decisions like this, and there is definitely a market for chonky full size SUVs in America.

While they may not be practical for you personally there are a few million households that prefer them.

So to answer your question, yes. There is a need for more ginormous SUVs.

And those are the superusers we have in this country. In the context of gasoline consumption, a "superuser" refers to the top 10% of drivers in terms of annual gasoline use. These individuals consume at least 1,000 gallons of gasoline per year, often driving more than 30,000 miles. I am all for freedom and freedom of choice. But, just because you can does not mean you should.

 

[Chuckles]

Your comment makes sense, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with where you live and your lifetstyle.

My state is massive. Driving anywhere notable usually takes a full day. Having more space on short trips around town doesnt make much sense, but if you are racking up miles each day, and on road trips... it gets appealing by that 4th hour.

Even in Metro areas like Houston, trucks and SUVs regularly outsell cars by a large margin.

In 2022 The Chevy Tahoe (105,756) and GMC Yukon (82,304) had a combined sales of 188,060 and if you lump them together they outsold the top selling SUV in the US, the Toyota Rav 4 with 115,402 units sold respectively. If you add the Escalades 40,247 units sold that year... its a big gap.

The market is really what drives decisions like this, and there is definitely a market for chonky full size SUVs in America.

While they may not be practical for you personally there are a few million households that prefer them.

So to answer your question, yes. There is a need for more ginormous SUVs.

RAV4 was The best selling vehicle in the USA in 2024. It sold more than F-150!

 

[Chuckles]

One of my favorite vehicles ever is the Jeep Cherokee XJ. What a great size. It was extremely capable and versatile. It also looked at home everywhere. The closest modern EV equivalent based on dimensions is the VW iD.4. I just personally do not like that vehicle. But, I wish Scout had something the exact same size with about 9" of ground clearance.

Hagerty has a great video on the XJ. Surprisingly, it's close to a VW Golf GTI in size (not in height or ground clearance obviously)! Times have definitely changed.

 

[Chavannigans]

And those are the superusers we have in this country. In the context of gasoline consumption, a "superuser" refers to the top 10% of drivers in terms of annual gasoline use. These individuals consume at least 1,000 gallons of gasoline per year, often driving more than 30,000 miles. I am all for freedom and freedom of choice. But, just because you can does not mean you should.

Call me what you will, but my wife and I cant afford childcare or to live in the area we work in so we drive 100 miles a day, each.

If we want to go to Padre island for a beach trip thats almost 500 miles.

Id prefer it not to be this way, but until my boys are grown its the way it is.

Texas is also the second largest reservation holder for Scouts from what I am seeing in polls and buy sell a lot of full size SUVs.

RAV4 was The best selling vehicle in the USA in 2024. It sold more than F-150!

Wow that is a surprising achievement. Go Toyota!

While not at the same volume, full size SUV sales increased 22.68% in 2024. Its still a growing market I am sure Scout is keeping an eye on.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/03/chevrolet-suburban-tahoe-sales-numbers-figures-results-fourth-quarter-2024-q4/

Another consideration is there is more profit margin in more expensive vehicles like full sized SUVs. So even if its not a massive sales success at the top of the chart, they will still be able to get more profit from selling less full size vehicles than they would selling more smaller and cheaper ones with lower margins.

 

[Logan]

I agree, the captains chairs are nice and I get why they like them, hell I like them, but it can be a waste and would also make more sense if the third row was 3 across which I think most are not like that because of the suspension taking real estate from the sides in the rear there.

I sort of buy that argument. But, also, sort of not. The Kia EV9, and Kia Telluride are very similarly sized in most dimensions. The rear hip room is different by less than an inch. But the Telluride offers 3 seats in the rear, while the EV9 does not.

I actually think the way the Honda Pilot, Kia Carnival do it is the best. Offer it as an 8 seater with a 40/20/40 split middle row, where the 2 is a removeable "jump seat" that you can store in the back of the vehicle, or in the garage, until you need it.

The captains chairs are less space efficient, but if you're only carrying 6-7 people, its a lot more convenient/comfortable in many situations. Like, with smaller kids, they can get in/out of the back seat without having to remove people from the middle row (bigger deal if the kids are in car seats in the middle rows), and more space between kids on a road trip as the "gulf of children separation" is larger.

Anyway, its just a personal pet peeve. I'm sure eventually we'll get a 7 passenger setup that way for EV's.

 

[J Alynn]

The little ones don’t sell here. My son complains all the cool hot hatches are overseas. I actually like wagons. The Audi wagon I like starts at $135,000 and the BMW M5 has a wagon and that thing is $150,000. There’s cheaper wagons overseas. We don’t get them here. I’m actually surprised they still sell the 2 door Jeep because they do not sell very many of them compared to the 4 door.

I don’t know why, but everything has to be bigger in America.

I mentioned once before but I had the Acura tsx wagon for a few years and loved it. They had considered adding an upper level with super handling AWD and bigger engine but never did. Dealer told me women would not buy wagons. Said they did t even use them as loaners as so many women hated them. Never understood that but other than hatchbacks you see very few women driving wagons. I’d go back to a performance wagon in a heartbeat

 

[cyure]

I mentioned once before but I had the Acura tsx wagon for a few years and loved it. They had considered adding an upper level with super handling AWD and bigger engine but never did. Dealer told me women would not buy wagons. Said they did t even use them as loaners as so many women hated them. Never understood that but other than hatchbacks you see very few women driving wagons. I’d go back to a performance wagon in a heartbeat

That Audi RS6 Avante wagon is gorgeous. I don’t know why I need a 650 hp wagon that’s costs $135,000 but it sure is pretty and I wouldn’t turn it down if someone gave me one.

I had a 2003 Audi A4 wagon. My complaint was it had no power. The rest I loved. But that engine. Terrible.

 

[J Alynn]

I sort of buy that argument. But, also, sort of not. The Kia EV9, and Kia Telluride are very similarly sized in most dimensions. The rear hip room is different by less than an inch. But the Telluride offers 3 seats in the rear, while the EV9 does not.

I actually think the way the Honda Pilot, Kia Carnival do it is the best. Offer it as an 8 seater with a 40/20/40 split middle row, where the 2 is a removeable "jump seat" that you can store in the back of the vehicle, or in the garage, until you need it.

The captains chairs are less space efficient, but if you're only carrying 6-7 people, its a lot more convenient/comfortable in many situations. Like, with smaller kids, they can get in/out of the back seat without having to remove people from the middle row (bigger deal if the kids are in car seats in the middle rows), and more space between kids on a road trip as the "gulf of children separation" is larger.

Anyway, its just a personal pet peeve. I'm sure eventually we'll get a 7 passenger setup that way for EV's.

Agree with pilot set up for flexibility. It comes down to stage of life. My daughters in college, no other kids at home and nearly Never do we have more than 4 in the car so I’d be cool with 2nd row captains chairs but a Honda style works too. I’ll never be in the back unless being hauled to a hospital so won’t matter either way

 

[LastDayScout]

Call me what you will, but my wife and I cant afford childcare or to live in the area we work in so we drive 100 miles a day, each.

If we want to go to Padre island for a beach trip thats almost 500 miles.

Id prefer it not to be this way, but until my boys are grown its the way it is.

Texas is also the second largest reservation holder for Scouts from what I am seeing in polls and buy sell a lot of full size SUVs.

Wow that is a surprising achievement. Go Toyota!

While not at the same volume, full size SUV sales increased 22.68% in 2024. Its still a growing market I am sure Scout is keeping an eye on.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/03/chevrolet-suburban-tahoe-sales-numbers-figures-results-fourth-quarter-2024-q4/

Another consideration is there is more profit margin in more expensive vehicles like full sized SUVs. So even if its not a massive sales success at the top of the chart, they will still be able to get more profit from selling less full size vehicles than they would selling more smaller and cheaper ones with lower margins.

I am really not trying to name call. Just pointing out an issue. Out of curiosity, would a more efficient option not work for your family? And really, im not even talking about a family that uses the large vehicle as the main issue. It’s the single person to small family that chooses them as their commuter. I see so many huge vehicles, in traffic, with one person in them.

 

[Scoutsie]

Your comment makes sense, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with where you live and your lifetstyle.

My state is massive. Driving anywhere notable usually takes a full day. Having more space on short trips around town doesnt make much sense, but if you are racking up miles each day, and on road trips... it gets appealing by that 4th hour.

Even in Metro areas like Houston, trucks and SUVs regularly outsell cars by a large margin.

In 2022 The Chevy Tahoe (105,756) and GMC Yukon (82,304) had a combined sales of 188,060 and if you lump them together they outsold the top selling SUV in the US, the Toyota Rav 4 with 115,402 units sold respectively. If you add the Escalades 40,247 units sold that year... its a big gap.

The market is really what drives decisions like this, and there is definitely a market for chonky full size SUVs in America.

While they may not be practical for you personally there are a few million households that prefer them.

So to answer your question, yes. There is a need for more ginormous SUVs.

I’m gonna guess that I hold a minority viewpoint, then. I think of SUVs as the cooler alternative to minivans and station wagons, which I’m realizing is outdated thinking after doing some quick reading. Those were the family cars when I was growing up. It was maybe only like 20 years ago that I started hearing about people getting SUVs as family cars and I thought that was nuts because SUVs are more prone to rollovers and were no way better family cars. That, and having road tripped as a passenger in a minivan, I’d choose to do that again. They’re fun. They look lame, but they’re fun.

That said, I need to consider parking in garages and city streets a lot. I don’t want to sideswipe someone when I’m trying to parallel park and I don’t want to total someone else’s car at the expense of saving my bumper because I get to ride up a bit higher if I get into a collision. That’s why I don’t want a land yacht. I like SUVs, just not ginormous ones. There’s a Suburban that parks catty-corner to my driveway and blocks my view of the road when I back out of the driveway. For this reason, I don’t park in the driveway. It’s terrifying. I live on a road with a bus route. I’m not going to blindly back out into a bus that I can’t see because someone wanted to feel cool and safe with tinted windows. It’s inconsiderate to other drivers on the road. Where I live, it’s impractical. In another, less densely populated part of the country, this probably isn’t an issue.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I was one of 8 kids in my home growing up.
We used the following vehicles for carting all of us around:

• Flatbed 2-ton Chevy C-60. The kids rode on the flatbed. Yes, fully flat, no sidewalls.
• Chevy Suburban
• Two Scout IIs. Converted the rear cargo areas to seats.
• Two Chevy Chevettes. Yeah, we crammed everyone into two of those dinky little things.
• A Chevy Nova Stationwagon. Converted the rear to a rear-facing bench seat.
• Multiple two drivers configurations among a lot of pickups, sedans, hatchbacks, SUVs, etc.
• One of those Chevy vans without windows on the sides.

This was back in the dark ages when kid safety was an afterthought at best. I don’t recommend it.