What is More Important? - EV Charge Time or EV Range

[eddiet1212]

I understand that this is a very complex question and that the answer depends on someone's specific type EV and their requirements, but in the simplest terms what is more important to you?

Charge Anxiety or Range Anxiety?

EV
EV Charge Time?
EV Range?

In an ideal world, you could have a perfect balance of EV charge time and EV range.

What is the perfect balance? Thoughts for your realistic ideal Charge Time/Range? (Example: 20 minutes/300 miles????)

 

[dreamweaver]

I understand that this is a very complex question and that the answer depends on someone's specific type EV and their requirements, but in the simplest terms what is more important to you?

Charge Anxiety or Range Anxiety?

EV
EV Charge Time?
EV Range?

In an ideal world, you could have a perfect balance of EV charge time and EV range.

What is the perfect balance? Thoughts for your realistic ideal Charge Time/Range? (Example: 20 minutes/300 miles????)

Ideally it would be nice to charge 20-80% in the time it would take to fill up your tank in a petrol vehicle. Although, I would also like 400 miles of real range. I understand that this may be an ambitious request.

 

[AlanL]

Absolutely charge time intolerance, why we are getting a Traveler Harvester. About 80% of our miles are towing a small travel trailer. We change drivers every 100 to 150 miles and buy gas every 100 to 175 miles, so stopping at those intervals is not a problem. Waiting for significantly longer than 10 minutes would be.

 

[cyure]

Absolutely charge time intolerance, why we are getting a Traveler Harvester. About 80% of our miles are towing a small travel trailer. We change drivers every 100 to 150 miles and buy gas every 100 to 175 miles, so stopping at those intervals is not a problem. Waiting for significantly longer than 10 minutes would be.

I agree. We have gone cross country a few times. Our last trip we went from Illinois to California and back in a week. 4400 miles. We had long days so we were just stopping at every Loves truck stop we could find for snack, a quick break and gas and then back on the road. Have to stop and charge I think would have slowed us down and we were leaving at 2 and 3 in the morning and it was just easier to get gas and go at those times.

 

[cyure]

I agree. We have gone cross country a few times. Our last trip we went from Illinois to California and back in a week. 4400 miles. We had long days so we were just stopping at every Loves truck stop we could find for snack, a quick break and gas and then back on the road. Have to stop and charge I think would have slowed us down and we were leaving at 2 and 3 in the morning and it was just easier to get gas and go at those times.

All that to say I have reserved the Harvester version for that reason.

 

[SrfnFly227]

I voted range, but that isn't exactly true. 95% of the time, I won't care about range or charge time. 300 miles range would allow me to charge at home one night a week. The other 5% though is where the problem comes in.

I reserved the Harvester hoping to get the range up while towing. Specifically because charge time is simply too long to stop every 100 miles. If the Harvester really gets limited to 5k tow capacity I'll convert to all electric. At that point, I'll be hoping for either a charge time that equals the time to gas up, or 200 miles range while towing. Either keeps me happy.

 

[Logan]

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[R1TVT]

Can't wait to see the comparison video (that will undoubtedly be produced post launch) of taking a pure 350mi range Terra and a Harvester Terra on a 1000 mile+ road trip. That will be interesting, and results will vary based on where that test (or tests) take place, availability of DCFC infrastructure (or gas and DCFC infrastructure in the case of the Harvester), weather, geography, etc. I'm 100% committed to the Pure EV so whoever wins an edge case road trip won't matter, but will be interesing!

 

[SrfnFly227]

Can't wait to see the comparison video (that will undoubtedly be produced post launch) of taking a pure 350mi range Terra and a Harvester Terra on a 1000 mile+ road trip. That will be interesting, and results will vary based on where that test (or tests) take place, availability of DCFC infrastructure (or gas and DCFC infrastructure in the case of the Harvester), weather, geography, etc. I'm 100% committed to the Pure EV so whoever wins an edge case road trip won't matter, but will be interesing!

This is the kind of trip that Scout should take prior to delivering the first vehicle to the public. Their results may keep a lot of people from ordering the wrong vehicle and this keeps satisfaction with the product higher. Win for everybody.

 

[THil08]

I understand that this is a very complex question and that the answer depends on someone's specific type EV and their requirements, but in the simplest terms what is more important to you?

Charge Anxiety or Range Anxiety?

EV
EV Charge Time?
EV Range?

In an ideal world, you could have a perfect balance of EV charge time and EV range.

What is the perfect balance? Thoughts for your realistic ideal Charge Time/Range? (Example: 20 minutes/300 miles????)

To me it’s EV charging infrastructure. And not ones funded by the government, I’m talking about ones like ionna and other smaller companies that have massive potential to strengthen.

I think as on what ive mentioned a few times i think it should be that for every state there should be a ratio that for every few gas stations, one ev charging area should be installed. Either at a gas station or near it.

Thats my reason on why I’m going Harvester on it.

 

[cyure]

This is the kind of trip that Scout should take prior to delivering the first vehicle to the public. Their results may keep a lot of people from ordering the wrong vehicle and this keeps satisfaction with the product higher. Win for everybody.

I volunteer to take a Traveler Harvester out on a cross country trip prior to release.

 

[cyure]

Can't wait to see the comparison video (that will undoubtedly be produced post launch) of taking a pure 350mi range Terra and a Harvester Terra on a 1000 mile+ road trip. That will be interesting, and results will vary based on where that test (or tests) take place, availability of DCFC infrastructure (or gas and DCFC infrastructure in the case of the Harvester), weather, geography, etc. I'm 100% committed to the Pure EV so whoever wins an edge case road trip won't matter, but will be interesing!

Seriously yes this is something that needs to be done. Those after release videos of the idbuzz where all they did was complain about how minuscule the range was were not good for the brand I would imagine.

 

[R1TVT]

Seriously yes this is something that needs to be done. Those after release videos of the idbuzz where all they did was complain about how minuscule the range was were not good for the brand I would imagine.

I'm sure Scout and the YT'ers will have videos - just a matter of time... They will definitely boost confidence, and help inform buyers.

I would discount the negative range reviews about the VW Buzz. It had 230 miles of range from the start, and when you go out and do a mid-winter range test it is going to be less. I think the range estimates are the range estimates, and people buying the Buzz aren't buying it for range. Seems like more of a statement vehicle. The issue I would have if I were to consider a Buzz, which I am not, is more with the VALUE equation. Its an expensive vehicle with mediocre specs. Buyers will know what they are paying for and getting, and there is a much more educated EV shopping base today than there was when the Buzz started development. That limits their target audience. Buzz now has a timing, value and performance conundrum to deal with. Its also an "oddity" of sorts - but probably not as odd as the Tesla Cybertruck. When I look at the Buzz and the Cybertruck I see very awkward and unbalanced proportions, amongst a host of other "issues" (some related the the vehicle, some related to the company in the case of TSLA).

VW's backing is great, but Scout is smart to remain independent.

 

[cyure]

I'm sure Scout and the YT'ers will have videos - just a matter of time... They will definitely boost confidence, and help inform buyers.

I would discount the negative range reviews about the VW Buzz. It had 230 miles of range from the start, and when you go out and do a mid-winter range test it is going to be less. I think the range estimates are the range estimates, and people buying the Buzz aren't buying it for range. Seems like more of a statement vehicle. The issue I would have if I were to consider a Buzz, which I am not, is more with the VALUE equation. Its an expensive vehicle with mediocre specs. Buyers will know what they are paying for and getting, and there is a much more educated EV shopping base today than there was when the Buzz started development. That limits their target audience. Buzz now has a timing, value and performance conundrum to deal with. Its also an "oddity" of sorts - but probably not as odd as the Tesla Cybertruck. When I look at the Buzz and the Cybertruck I see very awkward and unbalanced proportions, amongst a host of other "issues" (some related the the vehicle, some related to the company in the case of TSLA).

VW's backing is great, but Scout is smart to remain independent.

That buzz is cute and they have my favorite color. That yellow got me and I considered it for about 5 minutes until I watched a video and when they said “van” I realized I am not nor have ever been a van person.

I understand what you are saying and this is where being a novice to EV kicks in. You see these videos and have range anxiety but never having experienced it I don’t have the background to be as discerning. That’s why I appreciate you and the education I am getting on this forum.

100% agree and am very happy Scout is independent. It’s great they have the backing from the group but that independence seems to be allowing them to think outside of the box so to speak, which is awesome.

 

[Dana]

That buzz is cute and they have my favorite color. That yellow got me and I considered it for about 5 minutes until I watched a video and when they said “van” I realized I am not nor have ever been a van person.

I understand what you are saying and this is where being a novice to EV kicks in. You see these videos and have range anxiety but never having experienced it I don’t have the background to be as discerning. That’s why I appreciate you and the education I am getting on this forum.

100% agree and am very happy Scout is independent. It’s great they have the backing from the group but that independence seems to be allowing them to think outside of the box so to speak, which is awesome.

Buyer education is key. I can only speak for my observations for Tesla EVs (though I gotta think it’s similar for other OEMs) that new drivers see a mileage estimate, as example, my car is 402 miles) and think that’s gospel. They freak when there car starts telling them they can expect 356 or 370 miles at 100% charge. We pretty much had to post daily on forums and groups that how fast you drive, etc., will reduce range. Tesla was very poor at explaining the pros and cons of EVs, in my opinion. I’ve loved having mine for seven years but when new people ask questions I’m super honest on pros and cons and ask what their usage is going to be. Someone who can’t plan for beans, routinely run their ICE tank to empty before refilling, and love lots of long trips I can see getting the Tow of Shame when they run out of charge. In ND I struggle with the round trip at some remote destinations I enjoy with a 402 est range…I know 350 just won’t cut it so I’ve reserved Harvester, which kind of breaks my heart, but is more practical for my use cases. The 150 is perfectly fine for normal weekday driving. Another newbie issue was getting used to one pedal driving…I haven’t done brakes in seven years because they just don’t get used much. And launching…new EV folks can be surprised by how quick the vehicle moves when pressing the accelerator and a couple have taken out garage drywall.

 

[J Alynn]

To me it’s EV charging infrastructure. And not ones funded by the government, I’m talking about ones like ionna and other smaller companies that have massive potential to strengthen.

I think as on what ive mentioned a few times i think it should be that for every state there should be a ratio that for every few gas stations, one ev charging area should be installed. Either at a gas station or near it.

Thats my reason on why I’m going Harvester on it.

Sooner or later gas stations, or grocery stores or some nationwide chain that tends to locate near interstates is gonna get smart and be first to do private charging as a national effort to gain sales of their products. Gas stations/convenience stores make sense but so does Cracker Barrel for interstates, McDonald’s (McCharger) and other companies that would be smart to partner with Ionna. Chick fil a would be smart too as they always have lines at drive through. We tend to stop there when traveling if just off the interstate

 

[cyure]

Sooner or later gas stations, or grocery stores or some nationwide chain that tends to locate near interstates is gonna get smart and be first to do private charging as a national effort to gain sales of their products. Gas stations/convenience stores make sense but so does Cracker Barrel for interstates, McDonald’s (McCharger) and other companies that would be smart to partner with Ionna. Chick fil a would be smart too as they always have lines at drive through. We tend to stop there when traveling if just off the interstate

When we did our cross country trip we were going from Loves truck stops to Loves truck stops. That would be a good one too. Good snacks, clean bathrooms and a lot for them had areas outside for your dogs.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I prefer 320-350 miles range, 20 minute charge time. Most importantly, and independent of the vehicle, is a station with more than a dozen charger plugs.

Range: I don't like sitting for more than 2-3 hours, so 200-250 miles is more than enough range for most road trips.

Charge time: I think most people underestimate how long they're at a gas station. Five minutes is unrealistic for most drivers. Ten is rushing, and fifteen is what most individual drivers I've timed take. Add in kids, dogs, snacks, etc, and a 20 minute stop is pretty normal. If the car is done charging in less than 20 minutes, I end up having to rush back to move it.

A station with more plugs means when a plug is offline or when a driver is charging to 100%, there's still space for others. And the average time between a plug opening is lowered.

 

[dreamweaver]

Buyer education is key. I can only speak for my observations for Tesla EVs (though I gotta think it’s similar for other OEMs) that new drivers see a mileage estimate, as example, my car is 402 miles) and think that’s gospel. They freak when there car starts telling them they can expect 356 or 370 miles at 100% charge. We pretty much had to post daily on forums and groups that how fast you drive, etc., will reduce range. Tesla was very poor at explaining the pros and cons of EVs, in my opinion. I’ve loved having mine for seven years but when new people ask questions I’m super honest on pros and cons and ask what their usage is going to be. Someone who can’t plan for beans, routinely run their ICE tank to empty before refilling, and love lots of long trips I can see getting the Tow of Shame when they run out of charge. In ND I struggle with the round trip at some remote destinations I enjoy with a 402 est range…I know 350 just won’t cut it so I’ve reserved Harvester, which kind of breaks my heart, but is more practical for my use cases. The 150 is perfectly fine for normal weekday driving. Another newbie issue was getting used to one pedal driving…I haven’t done brakes in seven years because they just don’t get used much. And launching…new EV folks can be surprised by how quick the vehicle moves when pressing the accelerator and a couple have taken out garage drywall.

BMW is the best at buyer education with their Genius program.

 

[dreamweaver]

To me it’s EV charging infrastructure. And not ones funded by the government, I’m talking about ones like ionna and other smaller companies that have massive potential to strengthen.

I think as on what ive mentioned a few times i think it should be that for every state there should be a ratio that for every few gas stations, one ev charging area should be installed. Either at a gas station or near it.

Thats my reason on why I’m going Harvester on it.

California now has nearly 50% more EV chargers than gas nozzles

California now has 178,549 public and shared private EV chargers – that's 48% more chargers than gas nozzles.

electrek.co