Switching Harvester to All EV Model?
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I would love to have the All EV…but I don’t know that a nominal 350mi range will be enough for my intended use case. While I don’t have any issue stopping to charge (Did that before and it actually was nice), I don’t want to have to do it constantly. If the battery capacity was higher, I could be tempted to convert over.
That being said….I want to see the official numbers before I make any calls. I know we’re still a ways out, but I wonder if there’s any sort of ETA on an official set of stats?
That being said….I want to see the official numbers before I make any calls. I know we’re still a ways out, but I wonder if there’s any sort of ETA on an official set of stats?
I didn’t really expect there would be…but it would be nice. Would be nice for some of the speculation to be put to rest. Or at least, We’ll know in by Date X when things get real. But…as with many things in life….I guess we shall simply have to wait as patiently as possible and see.
I hate to say it but I think you are right. We just have to have patience. However I will say we have passed the six month mark since the reveal and that doesn’t seem possible that it’s been that long already. Time goes faster the older I get.I didn’t really expect there would be…but it would be nice. Would be nice for some of the speculation to be put to rest. Or at least, We’ll know in by Date X when things get real. But…as with many things in life….I guess we shall simply have to wait as patiently as possible and see.
I’m sure as soon as SM has solid numbers they can trust we will all hear about itI hate to say it but I think you are right. We just have to have patience. However I will say we have passed the six month mark since the reveal and that doesn’t seem possible that it’s been that long already. Time goes faster the older I get.
It's like the days until Christmas countdown. Only Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer.I hate to say it but I think you are right. We just have to have patience. However I will say we have passed the six month mark since the reveal and that doesn’t seem possible that it’s been that long already. Time goes faster the older I get.
Towing range and capacity will be critical for my use case so I’ll be sticking w the harvester option. I’m not even considering pure electric at this point.
Not sure exactly as I still have not bothered to take it to the scales. But my guess is around 5,600lb.
That's fairly close to the 5,000 that was thrown out there by Scott for the Traveler Harvester. My hope is the that will grow to 6.5 k (decent tow capacity for any mid sized suv). Maybe even up to 8k for Terra Harvester
For those that would be towing in the Terra without the Harvester (like me), I would expect to see something in to ~8-12K range in production for the pure BEV Terra. My Gen 1 R1T Quad can tow 11,000 lbs for reference:
RIVIAN Gen 1 Vehicles
R1T Towing Capacity
FORD LIGHTENING
Of course those are all pure BEV versions of trucks. This is a good article for reference: https://carbuzz.com/towing-capacity-every-electric-pickup-truck/
RIVIAN Gen 1 Vehicles
R1T Towing Capacity
- Dual-Motor AWD with Standard pack: 11,000 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Standard+ pack: 11,000 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Large pack: 11,000 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Max pack: 11,000 lb
- Quad-Motor AWD with Large pack: 11,000 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Standard pack: 7,700 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Standard+ pack: 7,700 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Large pack: 7,700 lb
- Dual-Motor AWD with Max pack: 7,700 lb
- Quad-Motor AWD with Large pack: 7,700 lb
- 2024 Chevrolet Silverado EV 10,000 lb
- 2024 GMC Sierra EV 10,000 lb
FORD LIGHTENING
- Ford F-150 Lightning PRO: 7,700 pounds
- Ford F-150 Lightning XLT: 10,000 pounds
- Ford F-150 Lightning LARIAT: 10,000 pounds
- Ford F-150 Lightning Platinum: 8,600 pounds
Of course those are all pure BEV versions of trucks. This is a good article for reference: https://carbuzz.com/towing-capacity-every-electric-pickup-truck/
I don’t want to start a whole new thread, so I’m going to ask what may be a dumb question. Is the Harvester a “Hybrid?” It has a gas motor that charges the battery, but because the gas motors is not connected to the driveline, I wonder if it’s a hybrid?
Yes it is a hybrid, just a very different kind from the masses sold today. The common ones are parallel hybrids with a mechaical drive train. The ICE directly drives the wheels and the electric part helps in parallel to turn that mechanical drivetrain. The Scout Harvester, Ramcharger, other EREVs are Extended Range Electric Vehicles and serial hybrids. They have a purely EV drivetrain. The ICE+generator (genset) works in series to provide extra electricity. Both are hybridized drivetrains, one fundamentally mechanical and one electric.
It is a hybrid--a series hybrid instead of a parallel hybrid.
www.caranddriver.com
What's the Difference between a Parallel and a Series Hybrid, and Does It Matter to Buyers?
Let us explain, because understanding how they work could help a buyer make smarter decisions.
Hey I learned something new today.It is a hybrid--a series hybrid instead of a parallel hybrid.
What's the Difference between a Parallel and a Series Hybrid, and Does It Matter to Buyers?
Let us explain, because understanding how they work could help a buyer make smarter decisions.
That was some cool reading! Thank you for that.It is a hybrid--a series hybrid instead of a parallel hybrid.
What's the Difference between a Parallel and a Series Hybrid, and Does It Matter to Buyers?
Let us explain, because understanding how they work could help a buyer make smarter decisions.
All EREVs are hybrids but not all hybrids are EREVs. Technically it could be lumped in under 'Plug-in Hybrid' (PHEV) because it has a plug whereas a traditional hybrid (like the Prius) cannot be plugged-in but whatever. It uses two energy sources so it does fall under "hybrid". The main reason people want to differentiate EREVs from "hybrids" is because EREVs lean far closer to the EV side than traditional hybrids do and when people hear the word "hybrid" they might get the wrong impression.
A traditional hybrid (that you can't plug in) is basically just a gas vehicle with a lame disguise. They don't really save you much in fuel - especially if you do a lot of highway driving - and they tend to cost more to buy and maintain so make higher margins for the car makers. They also allow car makers to game the system on emissions so they mostly benefit automakers instead of consumers (despite what the marketing hype says).
An EREV or plug-in hybrid however is far closer to an BEV (EV). They can often go months without burning any fuel at all and behave more like a true EV than a combustion vehicle. The main drawbacks of an EREV or PHEV compared to an EV is that the combustion engine adds complexity, cost, has ongoing fuel and maintenance requirements, and increases points of failure which can lead to decreased reliability compared to a battery electric vehicle. They also generally are not any cheaper to buy than a true EV either but will certainly cost more to own.
A traditional hybrid (that you can't plug in) is basically just a gas vehicle with a lame disguise. They don't really save you much in fuel - especially if you do a lot of highway driving - and they tend to cost more to buy and maintain so make higher margins for the car makers. They also allow car makers to game the system on emissions so they mostly benefit automakers instead of consumers (despite what the marketing hype says).
An EREV or plug-in hybrid however is far closer to an BEV (EV). They can often go months without burning any fuel at all and behave more like a true EV than a combustion vehicle. The main drawbacks of an EREV or PHEV compared to an EV is that the combustion engine adds complexity, cost, has ongoing fuel and maintenance requirements, and increases points of failure which can lead to decreased reliability compared to a battery electric vehicle. They also generally are not any cheaper to buy than a true EV either but will certainly cost more to own.
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