Scout Concepts At LA Auto Show, November 21-30, 2025

[J Alynn]

You know what they say about opinions? Or what they compare them too? "Everyone's got one"

Building is full of opinions.....

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I don’t know what that saying is? Is it in line with @cyure ‘s post about assuming that she never clarified for me? You guys and your fancy sayings that you don’t explain-it’s REALLY frustrating!!!

 

[J Alynn]

Now that I have been thinking about CATIA someone is going to ask me to open a model at work in CATIA and that will make me want to set my computer alight

3-D models make the world go round. Seems nobody can visualize anymore but a quick model certainly helps convey ideas

 

[Logan]

Love this kind of outside the carrier kind of thinking. Wondering how to design an insert to allow a new way to mount a bike or two. Something in a vertical format where rear wheel and frame drop in to stabilize the maybe a safety rail higher up so the can’t tip or bounce out?

I was thinking about this too, but so far I’ve not been able to figure out a way to do this quite yet. At least not in a way that would fit in the carrier as well as the backpack quite yet. There might be more options if the outer shell of the tire carrier was removable.

There are three general kinds of vertical bike racks (I’ll edit with photos in a second).

The tray/basket ones (velocirax) where there is a metal semicircle that catches and holds the front wheel in place.

The ones that hold the handlebar (lolo), and the bike hangs backwards (tires facing out).

And the ones that attach to the bikes head tube/fork crown (Northshore).

In theory you could also mount it horizontal without the tire trays used in other designs, but you’d likely need a design that clamps the frame down by the bottom bracket (where the cranks go through the frame), and maybe a crank arm clamp. And it would be tricky to keep stable. Plus bike nerds don’t love frame clamping designs, because it’s easy to ruin a paint job on a $10k carbon fiber bike .

 

[bb00799]

3-D models make the world go round. Seems nobody can visualize anymore but a quick model certainly helps convey ideas

I was more referring to the fact that my company uses a variety of different modelling software and that my specific sites chosen software is far superior to CATIA (in my humble opinion).

 

[J Alynn]

I was thinking about this too, but so far I’ve not been able to figure out a way to do this quite yet. At least not in a way that would fit in the carrier as well as the backpack quite yet. There might be more options if the outer shell of the tire carrier was removable.

There are three general kinds of vertical bike racks (I’ll edit with photos in a second).

The tray/basket ones (velocirax) where there is a metal semicircle that catches and holds the front wheel in place.

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The ones that hold the handlebar (lolo), and the bike hangs backwards (tires facing out).

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And the ones that attach to the bikes head tube/fork crown (Northshore).

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In theory you could also mount it horizontal without the tire trays used in other designs, but you’d likely need a design that clamps the frame down by the bottom bracket (where the cranks go through the frame), and maybe a crank arm clamp. And it would be tricky to keep stable. Plus bike nerds don’t love frame clamping designs, because it’s easy to ruin a paint job on a $10k carbon fiber bike .

Yeah-hear ya-that was my struggle was the “lock down”. Give somebody time and someone smarter than me will figure it out

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Realized I never posted this but got a photo of the Scout Key fob from the Autoshow! They had it zip tied into the display board along with a few other itemsView attachment 13380View attachment 13381

A key fob in a 2027/28 vehicle is wild. I'm sure there will be phone key access too, but really hope there is a key card as standard and the key fob can be purchased, or better yet SM can do what Rivian did on the launch of R1 and include both. In fact, now that I think about it including both will be the much better option at launch as the buyer base is going to be so mixed initially.

 

[cyure]

A key fob in a 2027/28 vehicle is wild. I'm sure there will be phone key access too, but really hope there is a key card as standard and the key fob can be purchased, or better yet SM can do what Rivian did on the launch of R1 and include both. In fact, now that I think about it including both will be the much better option at launch as the buyer base is going to be so mixed initially.

Coming from a 2013 with an actual key it never even dawned on me that it might not come with a key fob. It’s going to be a big shift for me going from a car that I added CarPlay to and an aftermarket backup camera and that’s all I have. No blind spot monitoring or lane keep assist. None of it. To having everything my Scout will have. I want a key fob.

 

[RodorW]

I want a key fob.

Perfectly reasonable want, but here’s hoping they give us options. Keyfobs are more annoying when you don’t carry keys anymore

 

[cyure]

Perfectly reasonable want, but here’s hoping they give us options. Keyfobs are more annoying when you don’t carry keys anymore

Okay I always have questions. So do you just have a credit card you carry in your wallet? A phone key? If it is a phone key if you don’t have service are you locked out of your car?

And part of this wanting a key comes from being a woman. Walking in a dark parking lot at night I want that key with a panic button on it to turn on my car alarm if necessary.

 

[RodorW]

Okay I always have questions. So do you just have a credit card you carry in your wallet? A phone key? If it is a phone key if you don’t have service are you locked out of your car?

And part of this wanting a key comes from being a woman. Walking in a dark parking lot at night I want that key with a panic button on it to turn on my car alarm if necessary.

My current car has a fob, and while it works fine I have to find small pockets for it, some underwear today or sports leggings I used to wear for work have a phone pocket designed into them, and that’s how I carried it in the warmer months, my hoodie has a small zipper pocket on the sleeve and I keep it there in the winter since I don’t have to take it out everyday.

My largest issue with the fobs is “my spare” or the one my partner uses, has had 3 batteries and randomly just stopped working properly, the car rarely detects it anymore.

When I had my truck I carried a lot of keys and had them on a lanyard, with a carabiner on my belt and a Chevy bow tie to anchor them in my pocket, but I don’t carry that many keys any more and what Keys I need I keep in one of the Ridge wallet key holders. For my last car that had a key (2012 200 and 2001 F-150) I had a single key belt clip and those got so annoying.

All this is why personally I’m ready for phone as key, or a key card. I wouldn’t mind a fob as a backup or for when lending the vehicle to a family member, but for me I’m tired of lugging around a fob.

 

[LastDayScout]

My current car has a fob, and while it works fine I have to find small pockets for it, some underwear today or sports leggings I used to wear for work have a phone pocket designed into them, and that’s how I carried it in the warmer months, my hoodie has a small zipper pocket on the sleeve and I keep it there in the winter since I don’t have to take it out everyday.

My largest issue with the fobs is “my spare” or the one my partner uses, has had 3 batteries and randomly just stopped working properly, the car rarely detects it anymore.

When I had my truck I carried a lot of keys and had them on a lanyard, with a carabiner on my belt and a Chevy bow tie to anchor them in my pocket, but I don’t carry that many keys any more and what Keys I need I keep in one of the Ridge wallet key holders. For my last car that had a key (2012 200 and 2001 F-150) I had a single key belt clip and those got so annoying.

All this is why personally I’m ready for phone as key, or a key card. I wouldn’t mind a fob as a backup or for when lending the vehicle to a family member, for me I’m tired of lugging around a fob.

I use phone as a key for both my and my wife's BMWs. My 2026 iX only came with one fob as they said so many people use the phone now. BMW used to require the fob for service. Now there is a service card that stays with the car. I use the fob as back up.

 

[cyure]

I use phone as a key for both my and my wife's BMWs. My 2026 iX only came with one fob as they said so many people use the phone now. BMW used to require the fob for service. Now there is a service card that stays with the car. I use the fob as back up.

Oh that’s right it did. Now I remember.

So do you ever have issues with connectivity between the phone and your car?

 

[LastDayScout]

Oh that’s right it did. Now I remember.

So do you ever have issues with connectivity between the phone and your car?

Rarely. There have been a few times there was a delay which is aggravating. But, it has gotten better over time with OTA updates.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Coming from a 2013 with an actual key it never even dawned on me that it might not come with a key fob. It’s going to be a big shift for me going from a car that I added CarPlay to and an aftermarket backup camera and that’s all I have. No blind spot monitoring or lane keep assist. None of it. To having everything my Scout will have. I want a key fob.

Having multiple options is the best approach: Fob, card, wrist band, phone, whatever else.

I would be okay with a card or fob, but won't use my phone as a key. That option has too many failure modes for me.

 

[Scout_Lookout]

Oh that’s right it did. Now I remember.

So do you ever have issues with connectivity between the phone and your car?

This is one thing that use to drive me crazy about Rivian before the most recent update. Prior you would stand at the truck and the door handles wouldn't present and it would take opening your phone and opening the app for the vehicle to "wake" and the handles to present.

However, since the update it works flawlessly, whether I'm out in the mountains, 6 levels down in the parking deck, or in my garage as soon as I walk up the door handles present, the interior lights, and exterior lights including puddle lights all come on to illuminate the surroundings which really helps with security in dark places.

But even better than an alarm there will undoubtedly be a sentry mode that turns on the 360 degree camera system and when anyone gets near the vehicle it will record everything, which is a huge deterrent for thieves or criminal activity most of the time.