Package options - what would you like bundled?
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I'd be really surprised if this happened personally.
Totally possible, but wasn't really on my radar.
I can't imagine the front bench weighs much different than the console.
Maybe because they're worried about the extra weight of the 6th person?
The 2012 Tundra we used to own had a bench and its GVWR was higher than the Platinum version without the bench.
I bought a used 1995 Honda Civic with cloth seats that two of my teenage boys drove to school then I ended up driving to work for years because of the gas mileage. I would consider cloth seats if they were made of the same material as that car. When I ended up donating it the seats would have passed for brand new with the exception of being a bit faded. No stains, no rips, no tears. I don't know what that stuff was but it was amazing and easy to clean.
That's a fair point. For almost $60k there should be ALOT of features already included. With prices continuing to soar, if Scout can't keep the pricing where they have been saying I think they would lose a chunk of customers
Honest question. Scout Motors is building a factory capable of manufacturing 200,000 vehicles a year. I know some of that capacity may be reserved for other brands but I can't imagine they would architect for 200,000 if they didn't think they could get close. With that in mind, I am unaware of a vehicle, electric or otherwise, that retails in the $65-$70k range and sells in that volume. Rivian's average purchase price is likely in the low to mid $80's (dual motor, large battery) and they sell around 51,000 vehicles a year. The Chevy Tahoe (which is 20" longer, 3 rows) has an average purchase price of $66k and sells a little over 100,00 a year. Chevy is also an established brand and has truck trims starting well below in the $45K range. I haven't done much research here so please correct me if there are better comparisons. Maybe the premium full size ICE or mid-size offroad truck segments sell in volume, but mostly because they have trims in the $40-50K range. The F-150 Lightning sold <40K last year.
So my question is how can two entry level, $60K vehicles from a new brand (even if it is legendary) hit those numbers without shipping with a ton of built-in value (not stripped down)? I don't see how it is possible. The Terra and Traveler are amazing vehicles but economics is economics. Jeep tried sky high pricing and that turned out badly for them. Broncos sell in the 100,000 range but start at $45K. If Scout skews towards $75K+ then its game over in terms of volume/factory utilization unless maybe they offer PBY?
. What am I missing? You can read this as a desperate cry for an obtainable vehicle that can travel off the beaten path.
So my question is how can two entry level, $60K vehicles from a new brand (even if it is legendary) hit those numbers without shipping with a ton of built-in value (not stripped down)? I don't see how it is possible. The Terra and Traveler are amazing vehicles but economics is economics. Jeep tried sky high pricing and that turned out badly for them. Broncos sell in the 100,000 range but start at $45K. If Scout skews towards $75K+ then its game over in terms of volume/factory utilization unless maybe they offer PBY?
. What am I missing? You can read this as a desperate cry for an obtainable vehicle that can travel off the beaten path.
All the high trim super duty trucks don’t have a bench seat option.
InFords it stops at the Lariat trim, but you can’t option it on Platinums, King Ranch, or Limited packages. They told me they can’t custom order them either. (It’s also a PITA to swap the center console for a jump seat with AC ducts and different wiring harnesses)
Higher end trims typically have lower payload capacities due to more speakers, heavier seats, cladding, etc. sometimes there are exceptions if beefier suspension, axles, gear ratios, etc. is a part of that package.
A lot of offroad focused vehicles
have lower payloads than the rest of their other packages. So it’s a concern.
Hadn’t thought about it from that angle. Guess harvester in theory could also impact that
Good points. Knowing they will I to a 3-row next helps absorb some of the 200k units and it’s been speculated early on that Audi wants a G-wagon contender so that could potentially add 20-30K units and I suspect SM will add several other models down the road so I don’t see the first 2 filling the factory but once there are 4-5 models and source building for other brands I can see it getting there. As I recall they have space and set up to expand and double the capacity so will be curious how it all plays out.Honest question. Scout Motors is building a factory capable of manufacturing 200,000 vehicles a year. I know some of that capacity may be reserved for other brands but I can't imagine they would architect for 200,000 if they didn't think they could get close. With that in mind, I am unaware of a vehicle, electric or otherwise, that retails in the $65-$70k range and sells in that volume. Rivian's average purchase price is likely in the low to mid $80's (dual motor, large battery) and they sell around 51,000 vehicles a year. The Chevy Tahoe (which is 20" longer, 3 rows) has an average purchase price of $66k and sells a little over 100,00 a year. Chevy is also an established brand and has truck trims starting well below in the $45K range. I haven't done much research here so please correct me if there are better comparisons. Maybe the premium full size ICE or mid-size offroad truck segments sell in volume, but mostly because they have trims in the $40-50K range. The F-150 Lightning sold <40K last year.
So my question is how can two entry level, $60K vehicles from a new brand (even if it is legendary) hit those numbers without shipping with a ton of built-in value (not stripped down)? I don't see how it is possible. The Terra and Traveler are amazing vehicles but economics is economics. Jeep tried sky high pricing and that turned out badly for them. Broncos sell in the 100,000 range but start at $45K. If Scout skews towards $75K+ then its game over in terms of volume/factory utilization unless maybe they offer PBY?
Oh goodness, pretty soon I won’t have to even spell out what PBY stands for! I need to make stickers or a t shirt or hat or something.Honest question. Scout Motors is building a factory capable of manufacturing 200,000 vehicles a year. I know some of that capacity may be reserved for other brands but I can't imagine they would architect for 200,000 if they didn't think they could get close. With that in mind, I am unaware of a vehicle, electric or otherwise, that retails in the $65-$70k range and sells in that volume. Rivian's average purchase price is likely in the low to mid $80's (dual motor, large battery) and they sell around 51,000 vehicles a year. The Chevy Tahoe (which is 20" longer, 3 rows) has an average purchase price of $66k and sells a little over 100,00 a year. Chevy is also an established brand and has truck trims starting well below in the $45K range. I haven't done much research here so please correct me if there are better comparisons. Maybe the premium full size ICE or mid-size offroad truck segments sell in volume, but mostly because they have trims in the $40-50K range. The F-150 Lightning sold <40K last year.
So my question is how can two entry level, $60K vehicles from a new brand (even if it is legendary) hit those numbers without shipping with a ton of built-in value (not stripped down)? I don't see how it is possible. The Terra and Traveler are amazing vehicles but economics is economics. Jeep tried sky high pricing and that turned out badly for them. Broncos sell in the 100,000 range but start at $45K. If Scout skews towards $75K+ then its game over in terms of volume/factory utilization unless maybe they offer PBY?
As for the rest of your statement, I agree. To get to that volume there needs to be value for money. I’m just continuing to have faith in the team. They see us all on here concerned about the price and affordability. I can’t believe it’s gone unnoticed.
And one could project out and see some of that 200,000 capacity going to a 3 row Travelall or a 2 door Scout 80 even.
Back to faith and patience and we can’t forget PBY!
I don’t think it’s a payload or any other weight capacity decision; I think it’s a “luxury” decision. Captain's chairs have been the top level of “luxury” in the US for a few decades. They still advertise them as something to be desired. So when manufacturers include a bench seat, it’s meant as a lesser option (and it’s a lot cheaper for them) so they can distinguish the “top” end trims.
In the roadmap I looked at there will be far less of them produced for the first few years. They plan to ramp up over time to build the demand and rapport with the market.Honest question. Scout Motors is building a factory capable of manufacturing 200,000 vehicles a year. I know some of that capacity may be reserved for other brands but I can't imagine they would architect for 200,000 if they didn't think they could get close. With that in mind, I am unaware of a vehicle, electric or otherwise, that retails in the $65-$70k range and sells in that volume. Rivian's average purchase price is likely in the low to mid $80's (dual motor, large battery) and they sell around 51,000 vehicles a year. The Chevy Tahoe (which is 20" longer, 3 rows) has an average purchase price of $66k and sells a little over 100,00 a year. Chevy is also an established brand and has truck trims starting well below in the $45K range. I haven't done much research here so please correct me if there are better comparisons. Maybe the premium full size ICE or mid-size offroad truck segments sell in volume, but mostly because they have trims in the $40-50K range. The F-150 Lightning sold <40K last year.
So my question is how can two entry level, $60K vehicles from a new brand (even if it is legendary) hit those numbers without shipping with a ton of built-in value (not stripped down)? I don't see how it is possible. The Terra and Traveler are amazing vehicles but economics is economics. Jeep tried sky high pricing and that turned out badly for them. Broncos sell in the 100,000 range but start at $45K. If Scout skews towards $75K+ then its game over in terms of volume/factory utilization unless maybe they offer PBY?
There will be a 3 row model a few years after the Terra and Traveler launch. Most likely a Travelall.
So they would be competing with Tahoes, Suburbans, Yukons, and Yukon. When you combine their sales numbers from last year, that totals up to around 236,857 units.
I am also assuming they are hoping to capture government and commercial contracts as well. As a domestic automaker they will be eligible and more competitive for lucrative deals.
They would make ideal vehicles for Border Patrol, Beach Patrols, Park Rangers, Local Police, Delivery Services, etc. and it will be cool to see what commercial offerings they cook up.
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I don’t think the seats are it dude. They aren’t wildly different between the Lariat and King Ranch trims. I think the fancier fold flat seats are still optional on the Platinum super duties when I looked so you could theoretically still add a jumper instead of a center console.
Toyota doesn’t even offer them at all anymore and still have different types of seats on different trims of their pickups. They all have very similar center consoles too.
But then again I’m wrong a lot so there’s also that.
I think I’m lost in what you’re trying to say.
I think bench vs other seat types is very unlikely to change weight capacities. That’s what I read your original post about this to suggest: that a bench seat would change payload.
The seat type (bench vs captain; manual vs 10 position; leather vs cloth; memory vs no memory) are—as far as I have seen—trim- or package-level-dependent to help distinguish and give motivation to customers to step up in cost.
Heavier trims typically mean lower payload capacity.
Taking one passenger out of the equation still means decent cargo capacity.
Captain chairs aren’t exclusive features and can often be optioned on the lowest trim too. So I’m confused too.
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