No regenerative braking!!!!!!!
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For Audi world, that is exactly what the paddles do on the E-trons, changes the force of regen.
I'm in the camp of city driving is great for single pedal driving, but good tuning is required.
Freeway it would be nice to be able to change it to brake pedal required for regen as I do have the issue of press the accelerator from cruise control and you jerk trying to find the correct spot and if you let off hard going back to cruise control jerk again.
However that's also because I drive 1,000hp EV's so acceleration is violent lol.
LOVE regenerative braking. Sure it takes some getting used to but once you do it’s hard to drive anything that doesn’t have it. You can easily turn it off if you prefer to loose efficiency and wear down your brakes.
Turning it off actually increases efficiency, unless your car lacks blended braking.
Must be the manufacturer's implementation. I've had regen on a RAV4 for 7 years and have never even noticed it (except the little graphic on the dash showing the direction of current flow). Zero noticeable effect.
Definitely different implementations. If I set my Regen to HIGH on my R1T and take my foot off the gas, the car will come to a stop on its own using Regen fairly quickly - That is considered 1-pedal... If you can't notice Regen, then it is blended with braking-only (and not 1-pedal).
Big advantages to different settings, but if you are going down a Mountain Pass with Regen, you will very quickly be sending more energy to the battery pack than it can consume at times... At least in my R1T.
Big advantages to different settings, but if you are going down a Mountain Pass with Regen, you will very quickly be sending more energy to the battery pack than it can consume at times... At least in my R1T.
Very different in a hybrid vs. a full EV. The EV regen braking can fully stop the vehicle.
The one pedal - fully stop the vehicle mode, applies the friction brakes to fully stop, so a hybrid could do that as well, but I can't think of any that do, but a LOT of EVs don't do that either.
The biggest difference is just having much more aggressive regen on the accelerator pedal, which can seem strange to ICE only drivers. Which is why it should remain an optional setting.
For people used to ICE cars they may be more comfortable with a system like the Porsche Taycan:
It has very mild to none, accelerator lift-off regen. It mostly coasts when you lift.
But has strong regen capability on the brake pedal.
This actually may be the most efficient setup, because coasting can be more efficient on highways, than accel/regen cycles.
Also these days, most EVs and Hybrids have decoupled brakes. When you push the pedal, you are not moving the brakes directly.
A sensor is reading your pedal position/pressure, and then the computer decides if it's going to regen, or use hydraulic pumps/valves to apply pressure to the physical brakes. So in normal driving the pads likely wont touch the rotors until you are just about to come to a stop.
It has very mild to none, accelerator lift-off regen. It mostly coasts when you lift.
But has strong regen capability on the brake pedal.
This actually may be the most efficient setup, because coasting can be more efficient on highways, than accel/regen cycles.
Also these days, most EVs and Hybrids have decoupled brakes. When you push the pedal, you are not moving the brakes directly.
A sensor is reading your pedal position/pressure, and then the computer decides if it's going to regen, or use hydraulic pumps/valves to apply pressure to the physical brakes. So in normal driving the pads likely wont touch the rotors until you are just about to come to a stop.
You may want an asterisk or to cite sources with a statement like this.
1. If regen were less efficient, EV OEM's would not implement it. Regen captures kinetic energy and send it back to the battery (and also helps preserve brake life / less wear and tear). One example:
2. Comfort is totally subjective and tied to the implementation, settings and the driver.
3. You could argue that regen makes vehicles safer (not "less safe"). I don't think there have been many definitive studies done on safety, but this is one example: https://dsri.uiowa.edu/news/2022/02/does-regenerative-braking-have-safety-benefits
"Funded by SAFER-SIM, this is the first study we know of looking at the safety implications of regenerative braking. “You basically get a head start on the braking so that the stopping distance is reduced,” explained Chris Schwarz, PhD, principal investigator."
Regen is obviously more efficient, than friction brakes.
But you are getting regen either way. This is all about where you get your regen, from Accelerator Lift-off and/or Brake Pedal application. It makes no difference to efficiency, which is the same either way in most cases as you are getting regen before friction in either case.
When people are arguing against lift-off regen efficiency it's about highway. Where lift-off regen can be less efficient than coasting on the highway.
I posted this R&T link before:
You are either missing my point or I suck at articulating ideas and statements. I am sure you agree it's the latter. EVs generally have a more aggressive regen setting than hybrids. There may be a hybrid that facilitates one pedal driving, but I am not aware of one. However, an EV can stop the vehicle by just lifting off the accelerator if set in the higher regen levels. I am not arguing that it is unblended or blended.
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I think that is simply poor wording on his part.
IMO, he doesn't want regen removed from the vehicle. He wants regen removed from the accelerator pedal. A lot of people don't like strong regen on the accelerator pedal, and it isn't necessary for it to be there for efficiency, so it should be an optional setting.
The overarching theme is to implement it well and to give driver's choices - all can be achieved through optional settings and different power levels for regen. And conversely to your statement, a lot of people actually do enjoy 1-pedal driving when it is implemented well. I am one of them.
Exactly, the OP ran into the problem that Telsa doesn't allow you to disable lift-off regen, and it sounds like it was the major deal breaker that had him sell it.
Again, and I blame car manufacturers for this, people tend to conflate “one pedal driving” with “regen”. Regen is a no brainer with EVs and hybrids, but it’s completely orthogonal to one pedal driving. I think when people dis “regen” they’re really talking about one pedal driving, not the concept of recapturing energy. IMHO, There are two main reasons that some manufacturers really push one pedal driving: 1) a minimalist design philosophy or 2) they couldn’t implement decent blended braking.
In other words, Tesla could do something about this, but they choose not to do anything about it. I can fully understand not liking this experience in a Tesla. Other cars implement this differently and offer you some more control over the experience. When you have control over the experience and have it explained to you well, it’s a lot different than being left to go figure it out for yourself. That’s awful.
When taking delivery on an EV, someone should take the time to make sure you’re fully comfortable with features that are radically different from what you’ve encountered before. Not doing that is irresponsible on the seller’s part.
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