Official reason nobody will work on my VW is there is apparently a fear (based on word of mouth with other repair shops) that connecting their diagnostic computer to the VW might fried their diagnostic computers. I have no clue if that ever happened, or when it might have happened - but nobody wants to risk their diagnostic equipment. Asking around (I know a few shop owners), they will not let an EV on their property due to "risk" - but honestly, I suspect it is also because they don't have a clue on how to work on one (which is probably the VW problem as well).
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If I win the lottery one of the first things I am doing is buying you a Scout.
You have been a wealth of knowledge and I am kind of heartbroken to hear about your situation. I work at a University and we are seeing researchers losing funding, grants cancelled, and our president liquidated the entire faculty senate because new vague laws made it a massive liability.
Its so frustrating to see the entire nation getting a stick jammed in its spokes. So many people are hurting and its totally pointless.
Hope that things turn around for yall. You dont deserve this crap, but it can’t last forever.
Thanks - that should work well enough that from the driver's seat I'll never know the difference - so all good for me!
Okay guys and gals I have a question. If I don’t get the front locker how will that feel driving in snow compared to my Wrangler in 4WD? Thanks!
This is the part that's most infuriating. I'm late career, but everyone who was just getting started is suddenly kicked to the curb for no reason.
A non-locked AWD EV has the potential to perform significantly better than any ICE 4wd in snow, given the same weight and tires. I absolutely do not engage the Lightning's locker in the snow. Both the Mustang and the Lightning behave incredibly well in the snow on the OEM All Season tires. I usually buy a second set of wheels and tires for winter. 41 months and still haven't bothered.
A locked differential can cause weird behaviors in snow unless you're just going in a straight line or you're off-road (sometimes even then).
An AWD (2, 3, or 4 motor) EV with a well-designed and well-tested snow mode would be fantastic.
I’m in both positions. Late career but only two years as a fed. Highly precarious and not easily transferred to other jobs.
My two contractor friends are much younger and had both hoped to become feds. And then we had people who are eligible for retirement but wanted to stay and continue to contribute and pass down their knowledge but they retired with the hopes that it would save the jobs of some of the younger people. It is just awful.
Probably pretty similar in size quite honestly. It’s basically a 3-row size but only 2 rows of seating. 15 months ago we ordered one for my wife then cancelled about a month later and she bought the pilot. Bronco started giving us issues and we didn’t want to wait and gamble. At that time the lead time on a Lexus was up to 6 months. It was a great vehicle and short of the crappy 17mpg range it is probably my fall back if something goes awry at SM. The interior is Lexus quality but it is blah compared to Scout. I like it a hair more than the Toyota landcruiser in styling and price is so similar I’d probably go Lexus route. And late this year they are supposed to be adding a hybrid system which should improve the mileage so it would be a solid competitor. But for how feature rich they are if Scout overshoots their pricing I would go the Lexus route knowing their quality.
It’s all so poorly being torn apart
FYI-- only the Overtrail models are two row. The other versions have a third row. The GX is 197.1 inches long with a 112.2 inch wheelbase.
Thanks for that extra. We had ordered the Overtrail-forgot the others had 3rd row fold down
That depends on which model Wrangler you have and whether you are engaging lockers while driving in the snow vs only putting it in 4wd.
My knowledge of modern Wranglers (JK and JL) isn't the best, but I'm pretty sure the MOAB does not have a front locker. So unless I'm wrong (absolutely possible) or you've added one, the Scout with no locker would behave the same in 4wd as your Jeep does.
There’s a major difference between EVs and ICEs: EVs can adjust power/torque to the tires at a rate of >1000 times per second. ICE can make those adjustments at a rate of only a few times per second.
This means that any kind of traction-important driving will see an EV behave much better with much less slip.
Some more neat tricks available to EVs that are impossible for ICE to do, assuming a 2-motor EV with front and rear axle with open diffs (the Scout without the locker option engaged):
The front axle can turn at different rate than the rear axle, depending on what the vehicle senses the needs are.
The front tires can turn in the opposite direction from the rear tires—I’ve had this happen once when my front tires hit ice and lost all traction before my rear tires did (at low speeds): the rear tires were commanded to turn in reverse very briefly. That brought the vehicle to a stop in a way braking wouldn’t have been able to.
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Well its a smaller two row vs. Traveler, I think 190" will fit a tall guy better than 185". And R2 has the tappity-tap-tap touchscreen dash, so no interest. Zero.
The R1T Quad in Snow has been great, but I always swap out for snows (Nokian Hakkas) each year once the snow flies. EV's are HEAVY. That means a couple of things. First, the added weight and low center of gravity of the truck tend to help the "planted" & controlled feel of the truck driving in the snow, - esp with SNOW MODE ON, but second, that also means more mass and momentum if you are sliding, which means it can take longer to come to a stop if you do slide.
What can cause an EV truck to slide on slippery surfaces more easily? HIGH REGEN. That is why Snow mode adjusts throttle feel (dampens it) and reduces Regen, improving traction, which is great.
There is also a massive traction difference with dedicated snows, and I would absolutely be putting snows on my Terra each winter. Caveat that I spend a lot of time up north travelling in the mountains, so I never see not using a set of dedicated snows (and it preserves my AT's of course), so investing in snows gives you a better driving experience year-round (which is money well spent when you think about the fact that you would eventually have to buy new tires anyway, and you have just extended life span of each set of tires by swapping them every 6 months).
@cyure - yeah, no surprise @SpaceEVDriver and others had a great answers, but for what it's worth, as a general rule, traditional AWD will outperform 4WD in regular, highway type snow driving.
Rear and Front lockers have no place in the snow and ice, (unless you're going for the Costco parking lot donut record) but in a traditional ICE vehicle, the ability to "lock" the center differential can be great to get moving again, in an icy/snowy situation. My daughter's Hyundai Santa Fe, for example, was great in the snow on the highway, but when traffic stopped on a steep hill, it could struggle getting going again - pushing the center diff-lock button turned it into a tank, up to about 25-30mph, where it automatically disengaged.
I'm quite certain that the engineers at Scout will create some technical wizardry that will be better than that, our current EV has a "snow mode" and after one winter I can tell you its GREAT when the weather turns bad. My future Scout will also allow for true 4WD/locking differential action for more technical, off-road situations, where traditional AWD gets quickly overwhelmed.
Personally, I don't use dedicated snows, I prefer to have just one set of tires at a time, so for an SUV or Truck I like a 3peak rated AT - currently running General Grabbers on my Xterra, which have been great in the snow and trails, and better on the highway than the Goodyear Duratracs they replaced - IF I had the space and time for an extra set of tires, then yeah, the Nokian Hakkas are my choice - we had those for a Jetta once and it was awesome.
Rear and Front lockers have no place in the snow and ice, (unless you're going for the Costco parking lot donut record) but in a traditional ICE vehicle, the ability to "lock" the center differential can be great to get moving again, in an icy/snowy situation. My daughter's Hyundai Santa Fe, for example, was great in the snow on the highway, but when traffic stopped on a steep hill, it could struggle getting going again - pushing the center diff-lock button turned it into a tank, up to about 25-30mph, where it automatically disengaged.
I'm quite certain that the engineers at Scout will create some technical wizardry that will be better than that, our current EV has a "snow mode" and after one winter I can tell you its GREAT when the weather turns bad. My future Scout will also allow for true 4WD/locking differential action for more technical, off-road situations, where traditional AWD gets quickly overwhelmed.
Personally, I don't use dedicated snows, I prefer to have just one set of tires at a time, so for an SUV or Truck I like a 3peak rated AT - currently running General Grabbers on my Xterra, which have been great in the snow and trails, and better on the highway than the Goodyear Duratracs they replaced - IF I had the space and time for an extra set of tires, then yeah, the Nokian Hakkas are my choice - we had those for a Jetta once and it was awesome.
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