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[chucchinchilla]

Depending on delivery dates and notices I would love to do a factory pickup and then drive home back to Texas (with some healthy detours). Nothing more American than our National Parks or a drive down Route 66.

Being in California I've basically got a coast to coast drive which means we'd somehow have to touch the Atlantic first before heading west on I-40 until we touch the Pacific. Hopefully it has decent range well into the 300's+ and a good charge curve because I just checked ABRP using a Rivian R1S Dual Large as a comparison and wow, from Blythewood to the Bay Area it'll take 19 charge stops totaling around 9 hours in just charging.

 

[R1TVT]

Being in California I've basically got a coast to coast drive which means we'd somehow have to touch the Atlantic first before heading west on I-40 until we touch the Pacific. Hopefully it has decent range well into the 300's+ and a good charge curve because I just checked ABRP using a Rivian R1S Dual Large as a comparison and wow, from Blythewood to the Bay Area it'll take 19 charge stops totaling around 9 hours in just charging.

Good thing you don't have to drive coast to coast everyday... But consider this, you will also want to eat and take breaks. Charging and eating at the same time is a pretty relaxing way to approach a long road trip like that - esp if you plan a bit and use chargers close to real food. Definitely requires some advanced planning (using ABRP or similar) or you could be stuck at fast food joints.

 

[Chavannigans]

I will definitely be taking some time off to pick it up and not rush home.

I dont have near as long of a drive as Chucchinchilla, but its going to be a cool experience that I dont want to be a blur.

Also keep in mind 800V is going to offer quite a bit of time savings at charging stops if Scout nails the charging curves.

 

[Milesm22]

Good thing you don't have to drive coast to coast everyday... But consider this, you will also want to eat and take breaks. Charging and eating at the same time is a pretty relaxing way to approach a long road trip like that - esp if you plan a bit and use chargers close to real food. Definitely requires some advanced planning (using ABRP or similar) or you could be stuck at fast food joints.

That’s the beauty of the Harvester version, no need to be totally reliant on charging stations. Charge on the go or in the little small town diner parking lot!

 

[R1TVT]

That’s the beauty of the Harvester version, no need to be totally reliant on charging stations. Charge on the go or in the little small town diner parking lot!

On a longer road trip at HWY speeds, and to maximize the FULL amount of range, you will likely need charging and gas. How often? depends on your driving and the conditions. That will all come out in the testing. Personally, the beauty of the pure BEV for me is the sheer simplicity of it, since 90% of the time I will never need to stop at a DCFC (unless on a road trip), and the majority of my roadtrips will only require 2 charges at a DCFC (round trip). Good to have options for both though.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

On a longer road trip at HWY speeds, and to maximize the FULL amount of range, you will likely need charging and gas. How often? depends on your driving and the conditions. That will all come out in the testing. Personally, the beauty of the pure BEV for me is the sheer simplicity of it, since 90% of the time I will never need to stop at a DCFC (unless on a road trip), and the majority of my roadtrips will only require 2 charges at a DCFC (round trip). Good to have options for both though.

I think the official range of the Harvester is up for debate. Some say you’ll have to charge along the way, some say it’s like an ICE vehicle where you can gas and go. We’re all still waiting on the official answer from Scout.

 

[R1TVT]

Yes, of course, but range is very dependent on variables like gradient, wind direction, temperature, accessories, speed, towing, tires, wheels, height of the vehicle etc. If you run for 500 miles straight, deplete the battery and the reservoir, then ONLY fuel up, even assuming you just can "gas and go" with no or low SOC on the battery, you will only get so far based on the gas tank and all of the variables I mention. So you would then be required to stop again sooner for gas, a charge (or opt to do both).

There is typically no need to run for 500 miles without charging or fueling, of course. Just one example. Like I mentioned, it will all come out in the testing that is done under different conditions with different trucks.

 

[Chavannigans]

The BYD Shark videos I shared would be a great reference.

Several guys have crossed the Simpson Desert in Australia without a charger and strictly using gas.

 

[R1TVT]

The BYD has a 4cyl turbocharged engine under the hood though (and no Frunk), and offers ~62 miles of EV range I believe.
I view this as a very different set-up, no?
And it is of course it is Chinese (and not made here in America).

 

[Chavannigans]

The BYD has a 4cyl turbocharged engine under the hood though (and no Frunk), and offers ~62 miles of EV range I believe.
I view this as a very different set-up, no?
And it is of course it is Chinese (and not made here in America).

You do realize your Rivian has parts from China too, right?

Assembled in America doesnt mean Made in America.

Anyways, its the same basic concept with a smaller battery. Yet they crossed the desert without using a charger.

 

[cyure]

You do realize your Rivian has parts from China too, right?

Assembled in America doesnt mean Made in America.

Anyways, its the same basic concept with a smaller battery. Yet they crossed the desert without using a charger.

My understanding of the Shark is the gas engine can power the front wheels. So that would be different than the Scout EREV.

All this to say, I will be glad when we have actual specs from SM and can put the speculation to rest.

 

[Chavannigans]

My understanding of the Shark is the gas engine can power the front wheels. So that would be different than the Scout EREV.

All this to say, I will be glad when we have actual specs from SM and can put the speculation to rest.

Correct. When you drive above 70km/h it can engage a clutch to directly power the front wheels.

But in those tests they were driving below those speeds so the engine was just functioning as a generator.

 

[R1TVT]

You do realize your Rivian has parts from China too, right?

Assembled in America doesnt mean Made in America.

Anyways, its the same basic concept with a smaller battery. Yet they crossed the desert without using a charger.

My personal preference would be to support American companies (like Rivian & Scout) offering American-built trucks. Of course we live in a global economy with world-wide sourcing of different types of materials and parts, but buying a BYD is buying from a Chinese OEM, which is very different from buying an American-made truck from a company with American HQ's - at least in my mind.

I guess it is a moot point since you can't really buy a BYD here though, correct?

 

[Chavannigans]

My personal preference would be to support American companies (like Rivian & Scout) offering American-built trucks. Of course we live in a global economy with world-wide sourcing of different types of materials and parts, but buying a BYD is buying from a Chinese OEM, which is very different from buying an American-made truck from a company with American HQ's - at least in my mind.

I guess it is a moot point since you can't really buy a BYD here though, correct?

I would love to buy American too, like the Ford Ranger Super Duty you cant buy in the US (despite it being an American company) with a small displacement diesel and 9,920lb towing capacity. it would meet the needs of most American pickup owners with its adequate power and has great fuel range.

But I think you are confusing me using the BYD Shark platform as a comparison to Scout Harvester models with my desire to buy one, which I dont have.

But its a mid sized pickup with a similar hybrid system that uses a gasoline engine as a generator, has a smaller LFP battery, and 15 gallon fuel tank.

If an American company has something similar that we can compare it to I will gladly use it instead.

 

[R1TVT]

I guess if the Scout had a 4Cyl turbo-charged engine under the hood that could turn an axle, gave up on the frunk and then cut the Harvester's pure EV range in half, then yes I could see that being a good comp (at least for estimating Scout's potential performance & numbers).

 

[Chavannigans]

I guess if the Scout had a 4Cyl turbo-charged engine under the hood that could turn an axle, gave up on the frunk and then cut the Harvester's pure EV range in half, then yes I could see that being a good comp (at least for estimating Scout's potential performance & numbers).

Waiting for your domestic comparison Boss.

 

[R1TVT]

I don't have one, because I'm not sure there is one.

 

[Chavannigans]

I don't have one, because I'm not sure there is one.

I think you're getting it now. The BYD Shark is one of the closest comparisons available at this time, and no American companies have anything on the market closer. At least for lower speed offroading. On highway testing the Shark would have an edge with its direct drive system that engages above 70km/hour so I can see why it would not be an exact enough comparison to go off of, but its the closest thing weve got at this time.

Scott did say "Stab and steer" in that Jays Garage episode so it does sound like they are going into this with the expectation of maintaining a steady state on just gas and you could go on a road trip without charging if they pull it off.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The idea is to compare like to like. The only comparison vehicle to what the Harvester could be that exists today is the Shark. It doesn’t matter if it’s available for purchase to us plebeians in the USA, it’s the only even remotely comparable vehicle.


Being *able* to go a long distance with just the gas engine is a far cry from wanting to go a long distance with only the gas engine. If there had been charging stations along the way, you can bet they would have made use of them and their trips would have been far more pleasant. Someone driving from SC to FL to CA isn’t going to have to make that choice. And it would be silly to only drive across the country on gas when there are charging options all along the route.

A Better Route Planner fails massively in several regards, one already mentioned in this thread:

• It doesn’t account for real humans driving real vehicles and stopping for lunch, etc., and being able to charge during those stops.
• It doesn’t account for overnight stops unless you explicitly input those. If you stop where you can get a Level 2 charge overnight, you’ll restart each day with 100% charge, which means their charging times are incredibly inaccurate for multi-day trips. They need to add in a way for users to request “no more than x hours of travel per day then find a hotel/campground with a L2 charging option."
• It defaults to an assumption that you’ll drive speed limit + some extra %. It seems to be 20%, but I’m not certain of that. Sometimes it goes as high as 90+ mph. That’s just a dumb thing to do if you are looking at and care about charging times. High speeds don't save you time in the long run.
• It defaults to 5-10% battery degradation, which means it’s assuming your battery is 5-10 years old already.
• There are more. As you get more used to driving a BEV, you’ll learn to ignore most of its numbers and just use it for very rough suggestions. I don’t use it anymore for real-world planning because it’s so inaccurate to my driving style.