Thanks for the reply @Jamie@ScoutMotors . Could you also find out for us if Scout Motors is going to offer a Branded Level-1 or Level-2 EVSE (included or as an added cost accessory)?
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Thanks for the reply @Jamie@ScoutMotors . Could you also find out for us if Scout Motors is going to offer a Branded Level-1 or Level-2 EVSE (included or as an added cost accessory)?
Another thing to keep in mind is that a BEV has an added advantage - its a mobile battery pack. If you are in a prolonged power outage, you can use the vehicle's batteries to power your house. When the battery level gets low, drive to a DCFC and recharge.
I am currently using a Delta Pro 3 as my backup power source - I plug it into a transfer switch when needed. My Ioniq 5 V2L provides the second level of power (to recharge the Delta Pro 3), my car has enough juice to run the critical house systems for ~4 days (using back-of-the-napkin math). If the power is out for longer than that, or my math is wrong, I can drive my car to a DCFC and add several days of power in less than an hour. There are at least 5 DCFC stations within 15 minutes of my house, so even in a widespread power outage at least one of them will still be operational.
In my region, power in one area is often protected from an outage in another area. I can drive a short distance and find that the power is on…
My mom was on the same transformer as the police and fire department. So she rarely has her power go out even if it was out around her.
^^^This
There are 3 DCFCs in a neighboring town about 20 minutes from my house in an area that is on a different circuit from where I live so the likelihood of that area having an outage at the same time as my street/circuit is very low.
Also, the area where the chargers are is a town center, so likely to be back online quick if it had an outage, whereas my street is very rural and sparsely populated, so might have to wait longer to get lines fixed.
Closest DCFC is 30 miles for me, about 10% of charge. If you throw in only charging to 80% (mostly for speed), then throw in not wanting to draw the battery below 20% - Well that leaves 40% of the battery to be used as backup during an emergency (better than nothing. but Ouch...)
I see that in PA a lot as many older neighborhoods are connected with pole wiring and others with underground and an ice storm can take out entire neighborhoods a 1/2 mile away while 100’s of others in adjacent neighborhood have full power. Weird r to look down the road and see a dark neighborhood when all your lights are on
I get: Starting at 80% and drawing down to 20% leaves 60% of the battery to be used in an emergency.
That’s 79 kWh on the Lightning’s 131 kWh extended range battery and 72 kWh on a putative 120 kWh battery for the Scout.
Overnight in the winter, with no savings adjustments, we draw 1 kW average. That includes the heat pump with all the rooms’ vents open to comfort settings. Sometimes the heat pump can get up to 2 kW. If we were in a shutdown mode, we’d close the vents in the unused rooms and bundle up a bit. We’d shut off all non-essential appliances and devices (after charging battery banks). And we’d turn the heater down to save energy.
In our particular situation, a 79 kWh battery could provide us with at least 60 hours of “survival” power before we had to go recharge the truck. But we don’t live in the extreme cold.
In some midwest cold winter power outages, I imagine a 72 kWh battery might only provide a day or less of emergency power.
Most of the time I’m charging to 85-95% at home, depending on my random decisions to change the charge limit.
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60%, less the electricity used driving home from the DCFC, then reserving enough to go back to the DCFC charger afterwards (if power is not restored). Currently only have electric heat - but that is still not nearly the draw of AC in the summer. New house will at least have a working fireplace. We have had 2 cold snaps over the last 5 years that have left us with very intermittent electricity (15 minutes every 4hrs) for 4 days each. I hate cold - but honestly, it does not take all that much heat to keep our cold just annoying. 3 space heaters operating 15 minutes every 4hrs kept my house in the mid 50's. So only socks and a sweater cold. Now summer on the other hand gets brutal.
Summer grid outages are more common for us.
But because we use our heat pump for both heating and cooling, the draw is about the same in cold winters as in hot summers. On the hottest days of the year, it’ll average 2 kW during the day for the entire load.
The real issue might be when I’m running a model in the summer. Then I have to run several additional heat pumps to cool the server room. That can cause our load to climb to about 5 or 6 kW. If the grid goes down and for some reason I can’t shut the run down, I might only get 5 hours on the house battery, and maybe 10 hours on the truck. So I would have to go out and charge the truck and use it to charge the house battery, and then go back for another recharge on the truck.
"If the power is out..." then what? It seems like you were trying to make a point here, but I can't follow your thought.
I wish it was like that by me. NJ substations are so outdated. If a power outage happens it knocks out 75% of the county, because the provider then power down a bunch of other areas so they can work and keep the total usage low so it doesnt blow.
I see that in PA a lot as many older neighborhoods are connected with pole wiring and others with underground and an ice storm can take out entire neighborhoods a 1/2 mile away while 100’s of others in adjacent neighborhood have full power. Weird r to look down the road and see a dark neighborhood when all your lights are on
Sounds like my neighborhood. We're all underground but once you leave the hood its pole wiring surrounded by dead ash trees.
We really need a generator (and bidirectional charging) since it seems like power goes out every storm.
It seems like you are assuming a DCFC nearby will be operational if your neighborhood is not. Seems iffy, that’s the point I was trying to make. I lived in Boise in the ‘90’s when we had a 7-hour power outage that affected most of the northwest US. Seven hours is not particularly long but assuming something will be available down the road can be problematic for the person experiencing an outage.
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