Harvester generator gas and not diesel

[Moates442]

I'm not going to lie, I love Diesels. I was just overseas, there were many EV's, gas vehicles, but also many Toyota Hilux and Fortuner Diesels, Isuzu compact truck and SUV diesels, Mitsubishi Panjera Sport Diesels. Even on the small boats. No smoke out the exhaust, smooth, quiet, and people love them over there.

Too bad the diesel is so stigmatized in this country. I think a Diesel option would be great, especially in generator form.

I'm sure VW will allow Scout to have this option overseas but will never bother to go through all the unnecessary loops to get it to market. I believe they know it's probably not worth the effort.

 

[RL18]

I agree diesel has alot of benefits. But it costs more manufacture and doesn’t do well with not being used regularly. Plus with the whole diesel gate thing it’s just not worth the headache. I love diesel’s but a diesel generator just wouldn’t be worth it. Scout can use the connection with the vw group to get an engine that already passes US emissions and save the customers money. To my knowledge vw doesn’t produce a diesel in the US anymore so then they would have to find one in that fits in the space. Then make it pass emissions even if easy that’s more work in a small window of time.

I’m not sure where you’re getting a diesel not doing well not being used regularly. I store my 335d every winter (6 months usually) and do nothing but change the oil and it’s back on the road. Any issues related to storing would be unrelated to the engine When you talk about a diesel with a dpf scr and egr you might be onto something, but again as a generator to pass tier 4 emissions standards literally every diesel generator has nothing but a DOC which is basically a catalytic converter.

Really all dieselgate did is scare people into thinking diesel’s are this bad thing that’s terrible for the environment. When it’s not even remotely true. The EPA is to blame really. There’s a reason anything commercial, industrial, or military is diesel.

I understand however that scout has made their choice. I just still think it’s a shame.

 

[RL18]

I'm not going to lie, I love Diesels. I was just overseas, there were many EV's, gas vehicles, but also many Toyota Hilux and Fortuner Diesels, Isuzu compact truck and SUV diesels, Mitsubishi Panjera Sport Diesels. Even on the small boats. No smoke out the exhaust, smooth, quiet, and people love them over there.

Too bad the diesel is so stigmatized in this country. I think a Diesel option would be great, especially in generator form.

I'm sure VW will allow Scout to have this option overseas but will never bother to go through all the unnecessary loops to get it to market. I believe they know it's probably not worth the effort.

You are absolutely correct.

To convince me to buy a hybrid you better be putting a diesel in there. 25mpg from a gas generator is not enough to be called “economical”. Compared to a regular gas vehicle even that’s pretty bad. Compared to a diesel vehicle it’s worst. I get 29mpg driving my 335d like it owes me money. Milking it I could get up to 40mpg, smaller vehicle though. People with any of the big threes 1500 diesels get up to 30mpg. My x5 35d can get 25mpg with 3.64 gearing two sizes bigger tires and a 6spd.

 

[J Alynn]

A generator running at a constant rpm and load would likely only need a DOC to meet tier 4 emissions

Just a reminder Jamie pretty much said NO diesel. But I think someone should buy one then convert it to a diesel engine. Just for more talking points in the future

 

[Chuckles]

I’m not sure where you’re getting a diesel not doing well not being used regularly. I store my 335d every winter (6 months usually) and do nothing but change the oil and it’s back on the road. Any issues related to storing would be unrelated to the engine When you talk about a diesel with a dpf scr and egr you might be onto something, but again as a generator to pass tier 4 emissions standards literally every diesel generator has nothing but a DOC which is basically a catalytic converter.

Really all dieselgate did is scare people into thinking diesel’s are this bad thing that’s terrible for the environment. When it’s not even remotely true. The EPA is to blame really. There’s a reason anything commercial, industrial, or military is diesel.

I understand however that scout has made their choice. I just still think it’s a shame.

Diesel may emit less carbon dioxide than gasoline, but the higher nitrogen oxides and particulate matter are a problem. Even the Europeans recognize this now. EV's often outsell diesel cars there. As long as gas was cheaper here, diesel never stood a chance for passenger vehicles. GM's suck-ass diesel V8 in the late 70's didn't help change minds either. VW had their loyal diesel fans and owned that segment, but even if Dieselgate never happened hybrids and EV's would have started to chip away at diesel's popularity.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

For the love of all things holy, can we stop the diesel debate? Sure diesels are efficient, but they are smelly and dirty. I spend all day around diesel vehicles (over 100 in the fleet), and between filters, DEF tanks that brake or freeze, and a diesel that goes into regen to burn the crap off, they are just a pain in the butt.

Also do yourself a favor the next time you get gas. Take a close look at the diesel pumps. More than likely it’s a dirty mess (pump handles have diesel on them, spilled diesel fuel, and a cat litter like substance all over the ground to clean spilled diesel).

I’m begging- just stop the diesel request. It’s not going to happen!

 

[dreamweaver]

For the love of all things holy, can we stop the diesel debate? Sure diesels are efficient, but they are smelly and dirty. I spend all day around diesel vehicles (over 100 in the fleet), and between filters, DEF tanks that brake or freeze, and a diesel that goes into regen to burn the crap off, they are just a pain in the butt.

Also do yourself a favor the next time you get gas. Take a close look at the diesel pumps. More than likely it’s a dirty mess (pump handles have diesel on them, spilled diesel fuel, and a cat litter like substance all over the ground to clean spilled diesel).

I’m begging- just stop the diesel request. It’s not going to happen!

Diesel is not something I want to deal with. I hope you are right on this not happening.

 

[THil08]

Diesel is not something I want to deal with. I hope you are right on this not happening.

It’s not gonna happen between VW diesel gate, and the amount of space all the DEF and EGR systems need it’s in reasonable. Along with that every time Harvester is brought up the word Gas is involved meaning Gasoline.

 

[LastDayScout]

Getting a generator to pass tier 4 emissions would not be nearly as difficult as it would be to get an engine that’s varying its rpm to. Likely the generator would need nothing more than a doc to pass

I agree. Being a Kubota and Hitachi dealer I am around diesels with and without various emissions equipment every day. There are quite a few Kubota diesels that are run in generators, pumps, etc. Those engines are usually very clean inside and run for thousands of hours with little to no failures. But, in the case of Scout a gas generator will be better. It probably will not run very long per time which is better with gas as it gets to operating temp and max efficiency much faster. Gasoline also does better with being turned on and off more often. The diesel needs to warm up and run for a long time to be at its most efficient. In addition, diesel sitting in a tank for long periods is just as problematic as ethanol in gasoline. Diesel gels in cold climates and requires additives. In warm climates water is a problem from condensation and just straight up water from diesel tanks. When water collects bacteria can grow. It turns into a sludge, clogs your filters and can harm modern injectors. Diesels often require more, and definitely pricier, filters than a gasoline engine. The diesel will also be noisier than a gasoline engine. The diesel will weigh more and it will cost more. This is just not the application for diesel. There are plenty of other applications that do make sense.

 

[International Bulldog]

Plus, you will probably lose even more payload capacity due to the extra weight of the diesel engine.

 

[J Alynn]

For the love of all things holy, can we stop the diesel debate? Sure diesels are efficient, but they are smelly and dirty. I spend all day around diesel vehicles (over 100 in the fleet), and between filters, DEF tanks that brake or freeze, and a diesel that goes into regen to burn the crap off, they are just a pain in the butt.

Also do yourself a favor the next time you get gas. Take a close look at the diesel pumps. More than likely it’s a dirty mess (pump handles have diesel on them, spilled diesel fuel, and a cat litter like substance all over the ground to clean spilled diesel).

I’m begging- just stop the diesel request. It’s not going to happen!

Welcome to my world of losing your S&#%t ! ? And thank you for saving me from a response

 

[RL18]

Diesel may emit less carbon dioxide than gasoline, but the higher nitrogen oxides and particulate matter are a problem. Even the Europeans recognize this now. EV's often outsell diesel cars there. As long as gas was cheaper here, diesel never stood a chance for passenger vehicles. GM's suck-ass diesel V8 in the late 70's didn't help change minds either. VW had their loyal diesel fans and owned that segment, but even if Dieselgate never happened hybrids and EV's would have started to chip away at diesel's popularity.

You’re already comparing a hybrid with a gas engine to just barely being more efficient than a diesel engine. But then when it comes to pairing a diesel engine with a hybrid platform it’s now unreasonable?

To even bring up pollution and somehow think diesels are to blame is silly. The whole argument for evs is to reduce CO2. Which is true if you only account for CO2 produced when you started driving it. Otherwise you’d replace the battery pack before you got close to offsetting even a gas vehicle. But to say that they don’t pollute as much as any other ICE vehicle is laughable.

REEVs make the most sense but throwing a gasoline engine doesn’t make sense when you realize you’re effectively getting 25mpg running the generator. Evs won’t be taking over anytime soon unless the US plans on beefing up it’s electricity production by something like 3x what it’s doing now. And renewable energy won’t ever become efficient or sufficient enough to supplement that. If it ever did there would be a MASSIVE disturbance in nature and the pollution caused would be more than you can imagine.

 

[Chuckles]

You’re already comparing a hybrid with a gas engine to just barely being more efficient than a diesel engine. But then when it comes to pairing a diesel engine with a hybrid platform it’s now unreasonable?

To even bring up pollution and somehow think diesels are to blame is silly. The whole argument for evs is to reduce CO2. Which is true if you only account for CO2 produced when you started driving it. Otherwise you’d replace the battery pack before you got close to offsetting even a gas vehicle. But to say that they don’t pollute as much as any other ICE vehicle is laughable.

REEVs make the most sense but throwing a gasoline engine doesn’t make sense when you realize you’re effectively getting 25mpg running the generator. Evs won’t be taking over anytime soon unless the US plans on beefing up it’s electricity production by something like 3x what it’s doing now. And renewable energy won’t ever become efficient or sufficient enough to supplement that. If it ever did there would be a MASSIVE disturbance in nature and the pollution caused would be more than you can. I explained

You’re already comparing a hybrid with a gas engine to just barely being more efficient than a diesel engine. But then when it comes to pairing a diesel engine with a hybrid platform it’s now unreasonable?

To even bring up pollution and somehow think diesels are to blame is silly. The whole argument for evs is to reduce CO2. Which is true if you only account for CO2 produced when you started driving it. Otherwise you’d replace the battery pack before you got close to offsetting even a gas vehicle. But to say that they don’t pollute as much as any other ICE vehicle is laughable.

REEVs make the most sense but throwing a gasoline engine doesn’t make sense when you realize you’re effectively getting 25mpg running the generator. Evs won’t be taking over anytime soon unless the US plans on beefing up it’s electricity production by something like 3x what it’s doing now. And renewable energy won’t ever become efficient or sufficient enough to supplement that. If it ever did there would be a MASSIVE disturbance in nature and the pollution caused would be more than you can imagine.

What I did was explain why diesel failed in this country. I didn't even mention the many other reasons why gasoline is superior for Americans (others have already done that). I get it, you're a fanboy. But for most people, it's not the best option.

 

[RL18]

For the love of all things holy, can we stop the diesel debate? Sure diesels are efficient, but they are smelly and dirty. I spend all day around diesel vehicles (over 100 in the fleet), and between filters, DEF tanks that brake or freeze, and a diesel that goes into regen to burn the crap off, they are just a pain in the butt.

Also do yourself a favor the next time you get gas. Take a close look at the diesel pumps. More than likely it’s a dirty mess (pump handles have diesel on them, spilled diesel fuel, and a cat litter like substance all over the ground to clean spilled diesel).

I’m begging- just stop the diesel request. It’s not going to happen!

It’s not gonna happen between VW diesel gate, and the amount of space all the DEF and EGR systems need it’s in reasonable. Along with that every time Harvester is brought up the word Gas is involved meaning Gasoline.

Not disagreeing lol. It’s definitely gonna be a gas generator.

But since we want to keep mentioning it again using a diesel engine as a generator would NOT need to use the same emissions equipment that a normal diesel propelled vehicle would. To pass US emissions standards you would need a DOC and a egr, literally every modern gas engine has these two things on them.

Also the diesel pumps being a mess might have to do more with the type of people using them than diesel itself… just saying

 

[THil08]

OG Scout community members, why do New comers always have to start fights and stuff thats not needed? Its like they know more than all of us that have searched this forum up and down at least a thousand times.

 

[RL18]

What I did was explain why diesel failed in this country. I didn't even mention the many other reasons why gasoline is superior for Americans (others have already done that). I get it, you're a fanboy. But for most people, it's not the best option.

Diesel didn’t fail in this country. People were scared by the epa so they stopped buying them. Just about everything America depends on is done by something diesel powered.

 

[RL18]

OG Scout community members, why do New comers always have to start fights and stuff thats not needed? Its like they know more than all of us that have searched this forum up and down at least a thousand times.

Oh don’t get so upset. I’ll stop now

 

[THil08]

Oh don’t get so upset. I’ll stop now

Okay.

@Jamie@ScoutMotors He needs to take the oath of kindness, do you have it remembered? Lol

 

[Badams]

There really isn’t any need to argue about this. The simple fact is scout chose to use gas. We can all come up with reasons of why diesel generators are great. As well as come up reasons why they don’t fit certain applications. At the end of the day scout is building it the way they think is best. If someone thinks they can do better start your own company with your idea of the best vehicle.

 

[J Alynn]

Not disagreeing lol. It’s definitely gonna be a gas generator.

But since we want to keep mentioning it again using a diesel engine as a generator would NOT need to use the same emissions equipment that a normal diesel propelled vehicle would. To pass US emissions standards you would need a DOC and a egr, literally every modern gas engine has these two things on them.

Also the diesel pumps being a mess might have to do more with the type of people using them than diesel itself… just saying

I think this is just a topic people are tired of hearing about since it’s been stated no diesel. Like talking about removable roof when that was defined a year ago or more ?