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I'm not sure everyone realizes that the scroll wheels on the R2 steering wheel, are also "BUTTONS"... And those 2 buttons work for almost all the buttons and functions that you would most commonly use (as you scroll the wheel). You can simply scroll and press the scroll wheel - just like a regular old button.

This is an interesting implementation because it caters to an entirely new / younger buyer segment that grew up with things like haptics on remote controllers for video games and scroll/click wheels on a computer mouse or a touch pad, for example. Its sorta brilliant actually.

If you have no idea what the hell I am talking about, watch this video and start at the 9:25 minute mark:

If you have two hands on the wheel and can scroll and click through menus right in front of your face, you've got a pretty intuitive and streamlined interface for users, AND you still get the 2 physical stalks with all of those standard controls.

I would liken it to flying a B2 bomber with this interface:View attachment 13457

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Or breaking mach10 in a Lockhead Darkstar with this interface:
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The haptic wheels seem to be more integrated into the controls than the standard buttons on the R1S and R1T.

At least from the videos I’ve seen, including that one.
 
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The haptic wheels seem to be more integrated into the controls than the standard buttons on the R1S and R1T.

At least from the videos I’ve seen, including that one.
I have had no complaints with the controls from the wheel on the R1T. These look like an improvement & do appear to be further integrated into the U/X
 
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I'm not sure everyone realizes that the scroll wheels on the R2 steering wheel, are also "BUTTONS"... And those 2 buttons work for almost all the buttons and functions that you would most commonly use (as you scroll the wheel). You can simply scroll and press the scroll wheel - just like a regular old button.

This is an interesting implementation because it caters to an entirely new / younger buyer segment that grew up with things like haptics on remote controllers for video games and scroll/click wheels on a computer mouse or a touch pad, for example. Its sorta brilliant actually.

If you have no idea what the hell I am talking about, watch this video and start at the 9:25 minute mark:

If you have two hands on the wheel and can scroll and click through menus right in front of your face, you've got a pretty intuitive and streamlined interface for users, AND you still get the 2 physical stalks with all of those standard controls.

I would liken it to flying a B2 bomber with this interface:View attachment 13457

View attachment 13455

Or breaking mach10 in a Lockhead Darkstar with this interface:
View attachment 13456
I have no issues with the idea of a wheel, or haptics. But I do have issues with context aware controls for things that shouldn't need it.

The main difference between driving, and using a computer/playing a videogame. When using a computer/playing a videogame, I'm already looking at the control screen 100% of the time, so the interface is great. When I'm driving, I have to look away to look at the screen to confirm what it is that I'm on, before I click it. Otherwise I might adjust something unintended.

IMO, its a step up from having to touch the touch screen (both hands still on the wheel), but still not a prefect solution.

I don't want to have to take my eyes off the road to adjust something mundane (Fan controls, temp adjustments, seat adjustments (you laugh, but the Tesla Standard trims one now require seat adjustments to be done on the touchscreen, they removed the physical controls on the seat), volume, seat heaters, etc.

And I don't want to have to use voice control to adjust settings either (don't want to have to speak up to the car, to have it adjust something while the kids are sleeping in the backseat, or interrupt a conversation with someone to say "turn off the seat heaters" or something like that).

But totally ok with them for secondary/tertiary sorts of controls.
 
I have no issues with the idea of a wheel, or haptics. But I do have issues with context aware controls for things that shouldn't need it.

The main difference between driving, and using a computer/playing a videogame. When using a computer/playing a videogame, I'm already looking at the control screen 100% of the time, so the interface is great. When I'm driving, I have to look away to look at the screen to confirm what it is that I'm on, before I click it. Otherwise I might adjust something unintended.

IMO, its a step up from having to touch the touch screen (both hands still on the wheel), but still not a prefect solution.

I don't want to have to take my eyes off the road to adjust something mundane (Fan controls, temp adjustments, seat adjustments (you laugh, but the Tesla Standard trims one now require seat adjustments to be done on the touchscreen, they removed the physical controls on the seat), volume, seat heaters, etc.

And I don't want to have to use voice control to adjust settings either (don't want to have to speak up to the car, to have it adjust something while the kids are sleeping in the backseat, or interrupt a conversation with someone to say "turn off the seat heaters" or something like that).

But totally ok with them for secondary/tertiary sorts of controls.
The upcoming Gemini integration will give you the ability to change settings with your voice.

There is a pretty wild amount of integration coming with it if you watch their tech demo about the next generation of their in house chipset. "Im cold" will be enough for it to adjust the temp and turn your seat heater on.

But at the end of the day I agree, I would rather twist a knob or flick a switch from muscle memory without looking away from the road.

This is why Scout will be a much easier transition for normies coming from traditional ICE vehicles.
 
This thread has been great to reinforce my long standing policy of never buying a Toyota.
It's definitely not worth buying a new Toyota.

If you can thread the needle w/ buying experience (dealer) and vehicle configuration (order/allocation), it can be a success. But so much can go wrong on that path and the uneducated/unprepared can easily get taken advantage of.

We've got 47k on 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid - plenty big for family of five and we really get the 34-36 mpg estimate. And 223k on 2011 Sienna AWD - mileage hovers around 15-18 these days. (Meanwhile, Dad's 2004 XC90 has 273k.)

All that said, both vehicles had first-year production issues (we really needed to buy quickly each time) - so won't buy another first-year Toyota (or anything, really).
 
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If you can thread the needle w/ buying experience (dealer) and vehicle configuration (order/allocation), it can be a success. But so much can go wrong on that path and the uneducated/unprepared can easily get taken advantage of.

We've got 47k on 2024 Grand Highlander Hybrid - plenty big for family of five and we really get the 34-36 mpg estimate. And 223k on 2011 Sienna AWD - mileage hovers around 15-18 these days. (Meanwhile, Dad's 2004 XC90 has 273k.)

All that said, both vehicles had first-year production issues (we really needed to buy quickly each time) - so won't buy another first-year Toyota (or anything, really).
I would attribute my hangups about it to our notoriously predatory local Toyota dealership.

Their service department is also awful and after my Lemon experience I’d never trust them to handle warranty work again.

They were also selling TRD Pro Sequoias for $112k during COVID.

They will never see a dime from me again.

My daily is a 2004 Lexus GX470 and it has around 170k miles.

My 1999 Land Cruiser had 330k miles on it when I sold it.

The 1997 Land Cruiser before that was totaled with 330k miles.

Had 7 other 4x4 Toyotas previously.

I was also the president of our local Toyota offroad club.

But their current lineup just isn’t for me. Too expensive and too complicated and I got bufu’d by Toyotas Arbitration clause. Wouldn’t touch their 3.5 turbo V6 with your stick after all the recalls and failures.

I recently opened the hood on the new Sequoia and couldn’t even see an engine.

They got rid of the real Land Cruiser and their current offroad capable 3 row SUV is $88k and has a cheap feeling plastic interior.

No more bench seat on the Tundras either. That’s a no go for a family of 6.

If I want a real Land Cruiser I have to shell out $117k for a LX700h Overtrail…

Yeah I’m good.
 
No frunk?

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I'm not sure everyone realizes that the scroll wheels on the R2 steering wheel, are also "BUTTONS"... And those 2 buttons work for almost all the buttons and functions that you would most commonly use (as you scroll the wheel). You can simply scroll and press the scroll wheel - just like a regular old button.
Maybe I'm missing something but Tesla has had this for 10 years..... They also let you choose what the scroll wheels do so you can set it to be fan speed, temp, screen brightness, etc. You can also set the button to be a bunch of different things (I use mine to open the glove box since Tesla removed the glove box button). Scout could have one of the scroll wheels adjust regen for instance.
 
I would attribute my hangups about it to our notoriously predatory local Toyota dealership.

Their service department is also awful and after my Lemon experience I’d never trust them to handle warranty work again.

They were also selling TRD Pro Sequoias for $112k during COVID.

They will never see a dime from me again.

My daily is a 2004 Lexus GX470 and it has around 170k miles.

My 1999 Land Cruiser had 330k miles on it when I sold it.

The 1997 Land Cruiser before that was totaled with 330k miles.

Had 7 other 4x4 Toyotas previously.

I was also the president of our local Toyota offroad club.

But their current lineup just isn’t for me. Too expensive and too complicated and I got bufu’d by Toyotas Arbitration clause. Wouldn’t touch their 3.5 turbo V6 with your stick after all the recalls and failures.

I recently opened the hood on the new Sequoia and couldn’t even see an engine.

They got rid of the real Land Cruiser and their current offroad capable 3 row SUV is $88k and has a cheap feeling plastic interior.

No more bench seat on the Tundras either. That’s a no go for a family of 6.

If I want a real Land Cruiser I have to shell out $117k for a LX700h Overtrail…

Yeah I’m good.
I'm there with you, and I'm a Toyota guy at heart. There's nothing compelling in their lineup anymore. As someone that services my own vehicles, that's not gonna happen with the newer models, and I REALLY don't want to have to pay someone to strip half of the engine bay to change something small. My 1GR-FE will go forever, but I wouldn't trust any of the newer models to do so.

Likewise, I don't have to think, look, or do anything to change the temperature, fan speed, etc with or without gloves in most of my vehicles. This button-less crap in newer vehicles is only there to make vehicles cheaper, not to improve any functionality. There are plenty of vehicle settings that I'm fine with behind a screen, but not ALL of them.

Edit: I just realized another serious problem with only-screens for me- I turn the screens off when I drive at night, with the instrument cluster set to the dimmest setting. Physical buttons allow that to work, but screen-only controls, or the R2's steering wheel controls don't work.
 
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Looks much better than bZxyz123 -

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Maybe I'm missing something but Tesla has had this for 10 years..... They also let you choose what the scroll wheels do so you can set it to be fan speed, temp, screen brightness, etc. You can also set the button to be a bunch of different things (I use mine to open the glove box since Tesla removed the glove box button). Scout could have one of the scroll wheels adjust regen for instance.
Then not sure what you're missing? Rivian just updated their scroll wheels and appears to have improved their design and made them easier to use... My only point was that if you don't have this type of U/I and interface, you might miss that there is a button push WITH the scroll wheel. We were talking about buttons.