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I guess I've been thinking 350 was already a bit of a stretch (based on estimated battery size and targeted cost).
With a larger battery pack and a larger price tag, you could get there for sure. Considering that the vehicle is a truck (less aerodynamic) with larger wheels and tires AND people aren't expecting to see Scout drop a $90K price-tag, the equation to reach 450 pure BEV miles is much harder. I would think that you would need a pack with probably 140-150kWh. unless prices come way down that could be tricky
This is the thing that people have been ignoring.
First, Scout says, “up to 350 miles range,” which implies they haven’t ruled out a lower range option. They also say “starting at $60k.” These two statements mean they are not promising 350 miles range at $60k. No manufacturer advertises “starting at” prices for the top-end trim/options vehicle. They advertise starting prices and high-end options with asterisks.
The dual motor R1S starts at $77k for 270 miles range. The dual motor R1S with a max pack adds $20,000.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the base battery on the Scout is for a ~250-300 mile range, given the starting price of $60k. The 350 mile range may be with an “extended range” battery and run $75-80k.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if—after the first year or so production run—Scout introduces a max pack sized battery and tacks on another $7k-$10k in cost.
I believe new quad motor riv with max pack is 125k +. So offering what I suggest would put the scout around 95k for top tier model.
And the Terra is big. I could see there being room for a bigger battery. Now the Traveler is wide but as short as a 4Runner.
The Traveler is big enough to hold a Rivian-sized max pack battery (its wheelbase is the same as the R1S). It’s not a question of the physical space so much as weight, suspension, design, cost, and goals of the manufacturer.
| Vehicle | Wheelbase (inches) | Maximum useable battery capacity (kWh) | Range on maximum battery (miles) | Approximate battery volume (liters) | Approximate battery mass (kg) |
| Traveler | 120.4 | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Terra | 148.6 | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Lightning | 145.5 | 131 | 320 | 187-262 | 524-873 |
| R1T | 135.9 | 140 | 410 | 200-280 | 560-933 |
| R1S | 121.1 | 140 | 410 | 200-280 | 560-933 |
| Silverado | 145.7 | 205 | 493 | 293-410 | 820-1367 |
I based the volume and mass on useable capacity, which is lower than the true capacity, so their low-end values are definitely incorrect. I also did not include the volume or weight of the protective shell of the battery casing. It’s too much work to find those values.
Kinda what I’ve been thinking all along. Which then begs the question-if base BEV is 280-300 range what is the premium on the EREV because now there is an even bigger spread in range making a 500 mile range vs 280. ( my guess at base BEV) means either the EREV is a definite premium (nearly double the range) or it becomes a no-brainer to go EREV unless you are 100% BEV-which I want to be BEV but as a hybrid owner now I’d be able to deal with the EREV if the difference creeps beyond my overall cap at $85K which I’d love to be less than but trying to be realistic.
Yep, I think this is "saying the quiet part, out loud". I'd be surprised if the base EV's range is 350 miles. Although, they didn't give a range of ranges (ie, not 200-350 miles) for the EV, so thats something at least.
The other thing, is that with the EREV being LFP cells, you'll be charging to 100% all the time/way more often. And if there was a BEV with < 350 miles of range, if you only charge that to 80%, the difference in EV only range on an "average" day (where you're just pulling out of the garage/driveway with 80% charge of the BEV, and 100% of range on the EREV) might not be as different as it first seems.
This is what I will be interested to see as well, how much is the difference from a potentially smaller battery pack to the largest and what is the range/cost difference between the two. I don't think they necessarily need a 200+ kWh battery like the Silverado, but having at least 150 kWh minimum for the highest battery capacity they offer would be a good choice in my opinion.
I guess the other question relating to the EREV option, has that been confirmed there is just going to be the one battery size for the 150 miles of range, or could that also have two battery sizes where one is more for shorter day to day driving with just 100 miles EV range for example, and then a bigger one for the 150 miles of EV only range before the Harvester kicks in. Same I guess for the generator, is it going to be one power output and gas tank size or could that have a couple of options as well.
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