Please no erev!

[mberg6417]

I truly believe the erev is going to be the downfall of Scout. Instead of creating a new capable and practical rugged off road EV that has very few competitors, they are planning on marketing what amounts to a hybrid suv. Which has a huge market across all automakers. The ONLY reason people have expressed interest in the erev is due to range anxiety. All scout has to do is design their ev with over 400 miles of range. Also, the erev takes all of the point of an ev off the table. You reintroduce a gasoline engine, with all of the maintenance and problems. And exhaust. Scout will not survive a hybrid battle against everyone pushing hybrids.

 

[Burmster]

I disagree. EREV is ideal for people that want to journey off road and camp, for example. You can have the benefits of an EV powertrain but with the convenience of carrying some Jerry cans off grid. It’s not just range, it’s being off grid for a week with a supplemental power source, you aren’t going to find a L2 charger in the woods!

I see two main types of buyers, just like Broncos and Wranglers. The majority are daily driving and never go off road, perfect for EV. But if Scout is targeting the off roader, outdoor market, the EREV makes perfect sense!

 

[maynard]

I disagree. EREV is ideal for people that want to journey off road and camp, for example. You can have the benefits of an EV powertrain but with the convenience of carrying some Jerry cans off grid. It’s not just range, it’s being off grid for a week with a supplemental power source, you aren’t going to find a L2 charger in the woods!

I see two main types of buyers, just like Broncos and Wranglers. The majority are daily driving and never go off road, perfect for EV. But if Scout is targeting the off roader, outdoor market, the EREV makes perfect sense!

Great response and welcome to the community!

 

[maynard]

I truly believe the erev is going to be the downfall of Scout. Instead of creating a new capable and practical rugged off road EV that has very few competitors, they are planning on marketing what amounts to a hybrid suv. Which has a huge market across all automakers. The ONLY reason people have expressed interest in the erev is due to range anxiety. All scout has to do is design their ev with over 400 miles of range. Also, the erev takes all of the point of an ev off the table. You reintroduce a gasoline engine, with all of the maintenance and problems. And exhaust. Scout will not survive a hybrid battle against everyone pushing hybrids.

Welcome to the community - search around the forum and I think you'll see some good arguments for both sides of the table...

 

[THil08]

Negative thoughts and people that come into this community don't last long. Good luck and Welcome

 

[cyure]

Welcome both of you! There’s a lot of opinions on this forum but the nice thing is generally as a group we are respectful, even when we disagree.

The last number I heard for EREV reservations was somewhere in the 85% range. At this point it’s happening. However, the nice thing is with the way they setup the line they can make either one so if at some point the pendulum swings towards BEV they can make those easily with no downtime.

A couple great follows on here are @Jamie@ScoutMotors and @CP1@scoutmotors. They keeps us updated around here from the manufacturer side.

Welcome again!

 

[J Alynn]

Welcome and always appreciate others opinions even if many of us have our own strong thoughts. With the way the government t is all in on oil and against electric it was a losing battle. Perhaps things will change back and the EV pendulum will swing back. The great thing is the factory is set up to manage either with very little delay so having the option raises capital and sales much faster which in turn allows SM to focus on a 3 row as well as hopefully a smaller Bronco sized open top and maybe an all EV modern take on the IH metro as an urban/flex small van that can also serve as urban delivery vehicle.

 

[Scoutsie]

I truly believe the erev is going to be the downfall of Scout. Instead of creating a new capable and practical rugged off road EV that has very few competitors, they are planning on marketing what amounts to a hybrid suv. Which has a huge market across all automakers. The ONLY reason people have expressed interest in the erev is due to range anxiety. All scout has to do is design their ev with over 400 miles of range. Also, the erev takes all of the point of an ev off the table. You reintroduce a gasoline engine, with all of the maintenance and problems. And exhaust. Scout will not survive a hybrid battle against everyone pushing hybrids.

I disagree. EREV is ideal for people that want to journey off road and camp, for example. You can have the benefits of an EV powertrain but with the convenience of carrying some Jerry cans off grid. It’s not just range, it’s being off grid for a week with a supplemental power source, you aren’t going to find a L2 charger in the woods!

I see two main types of buyers, just like Broncos and Wranglers. The majority are daily driving and never go off road, perfect for EV. But if Scout is targeting the off roader, outdoor market, the EREV makes perfect sense!

I imagine that if we had been alive to see the Lincoln-Douglas debates, they would have been a lot like this. Happy Fourth of July!

 

[THil08]

I imagine that if we had been alive to see the Lincoln-Douglas debates, they would have been a lot like this. Happy Fourth of July!

Some haven't seen this in the Archives yet, but supposedly this is the actual Gettysburg address. Theres only one it the world.
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Two score and six years ago our forebears brought forth on this continent a new machine, conceived in adventure and dedicated to the proposition that all explorers are created equal.


Now we are engaged in a great rebirth, testing whether that legend—or any legend so conceived and so dedicated—can long endure. We are met on a great proving ground of that revival. We have come to dedicate a portion of this moment as a launching place for the International Scout, that the bold spirit which once roamed these lands might live again. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.


But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate—we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this new beginning. The engineers and dreamers, living and gone, who built the original Scout, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world may little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who designed and drove those first Scouts have thus far so nobly advanced.


It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored roots we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave their full measure of ingenuity—that we here highly resolve that those early Scouts shall not have been built in vain—that this marque, under open skies, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that the International Scout, of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the roads.


The spirit of the Scout returns—rugged, electric, and ready for whatever lies ahead. Let us carry it forward with hope and excitement for the journeys yet to come.

 

[Mousehunter]

The EREV is a hedge bet. Current battery tech gives people range anxiety. In 2 years, hard to say where solid state battery tech will be - people may want to wait for Scout to offer it rather than get the EREV, and once Scout does offer solid state, it is likely to seriously hurt EREV demand.

So the real question is timing. How long will the window of EREV demand stay open. While it is open, they may get great sales, get brand recognition - it may be exactly what they need. If the window closes too soon, it is lost R&D.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Last year I did the following trip (it’s in another thread somewhere). The EV Scout could have never done this loop without a significant detour. It’s reasons like this that my reservation is for a Harvester. EV lifestyle when I want it, and gas when I need it. 85% or so of other reservation holders agree with me.

 

[strider]

Scout is doing both. How is that a bad idea? As others stated, they can vary the production line based on what people order. In fact, I think it's a fantastic way to increase revenue. People with range anxiety will buy the Harvester, then after a couple years will realize they don't use gas, and "upgrade" to a new BEV Scout.

Further, aside from the Ramcharger (that has been delayed how many years now?) I'm not aware of anyone else doing a full size EREV. AFAIK Ford and Chevy are planning fairly small battery pack hybrids so the Scout will be in a different class.

 

[Gottesacker]

The smartest thing Scout can do is offer both versions... which they're doing. Their factory is optimized to work on both versions on the same line. They cater to a wider market than EREV only or EV only. This is a win-win for Scout, and a win-win for customers. In the long run the worst thing Scout could do is eliminate one or the other version. They need to keep both alive and well and innovating.

 

[Mousehunter]

Today's charge rates and battery kwh/kg is not there yet. In 2 years, we will know more, but I doubt the prices will trickle down enough before 4-6 years for Scout to do the change. But once we get 500 mile range and 10 minute charge, the EREV demand will start to wain.

That said... Was on the beach this weekend. Hundreds of golf carts. My electric cart was the only electric I heard (can not really say saw, as they all look the same). I am faster than gas, in many ways more convent, and have a 50ish mile range - yet gas is easily 100x more popular on the beach yet. My ONLY real limit to gas is I can not fill up in less than 5 minutes, if I wanted to cruise over 3hrs a day.

If a group rented the cart - well multiple drivers might want more than 1hr of cruising each and it could add up to more than 3hrs a day. So there is that I guess. Plus rentals can do a much quicker turn around - no need for hours on a charger between rentals. Plus do you really want to be charging over 50 carts a night at your rental lot.

 

[mrgold35]

I'm part of the 85% EREV reservation with the Traveler SUV. It checks too many boxes to support my driving habits, environment, and lifestyle living in the high desert southwest. The charging infrastructure outside of major southwestern/western cities is very limited compared to the corner gas stations.

The major change I "wish" Scout would make is increase the gas tank size to 20-25 gallons for even further EREV range. I'm already using 15-18 gallons of gas per 19.4 fuel tank up with my current SUV 6 passenger mild hybrid for 24-27 mpgs per average of 425-450 miles of range with city/combined/hwy. The HUGE $$$/gas savings for me is the 150 miles of pure EV range for city driving I do 80-90% of the time.

I would check that box for a larger gas tank!

350 hybrid miles / 15 gal = 23.3 mpgs

15 gal: 350 hybrid miles = 150 miles of EV range = 500 miles of total range (250 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
20 gal: 466 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 616 miles of total range (308 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
25 gal: 583 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 733 miles of total range (366 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
30 gal: 700 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 850 miles of total range (425 miles with 50% reduction when towing)

Scout might 4X the reservations if the EREV total range was 600-725 miles of range with a larger fuel tank option.

 

[maynard]

I'm part of the 85% EREV reservation with the Traveler SUV. It checks too many boxes to support my driving habits, environment, and lifestyle living in the high desert southwest. The charging infrastructure outside of major southwestern/western cities is very limited compared to the corner gas stations.

The major change I "wish" Scout would make is increase the gas tank size to 20-25 gallons for even further EREV range. I'm already using 15-18 gallons of gas per 19.4 fuel tank up with my current SUV 6 passenger mild hybrid for 24-27 mpgs per average of 425-450 miles of range with city/combined/hwy. The HUGE $$$/gas savings for me is the 150 miles of pure EV range for city driving I do 80-90% of the time.

I would check that box for a larger gas tank!

350 hybrid miles / 15 gal = 23.3 mpgs

15 gal: 350 hybrid miles = 150 miles of EV range = 500 miles of total range (250 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
20 gal: 466 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 616 miles of total range (308 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
25 gal: 583 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 733 miles of total range (366 miles with 50% reduction when towing)
30 gal: 700 hybrid miles + 150 miles of EV range = 850 miles of total range (425 miles with 50% reduction when towing)

Scout might 4X the reservations if the EREV total range was 600-725 miles of range with a larger fuel tank option.

Maybe increase on a case by case basis with a Jerry can or two?
You’re probably going to be making rest stops anyway…

 

[Gottesacker]

Scout might 4X the reservations if the EREV total range was 600-725 miles of range with a larger fuel tank option.

I can't remember which thread it was but Jamie cheekily implied that 500 was the bottom target, not necessarily where they'll end up. Ford is targeting 700. I'd imagine they'll be able to get somewhere north of 500.

 

[cyure]

I can't remember which thread it was but Jamie cheekily implied that 500 was the bottom target, not necessarily where they'll end up. Ford is targeting 700. I'd imagine they'll be able to get somewhere north of 500.

You all know me, I always have a question. What exactly is the necessity to be able to go greater than 500 miles, as much as 700 miles without stopping.

Are you stopping, but just don’t want to fill up?

Do you actually drive 500 to 700 miles without stopping?

Are you over landing and there just aren’t gas stations and don’t want to carry a Jerry Can?

Just curious. Thanks!

 

[Gottesacker]

You all know me, I always have a question. What exactly is the necessity to be able to go greater than 500 miles, as much as 700 miles without stopping.

Are you stopping, but just don’t want to fill up?

Do you actually drive 500 to 700 miles without stopping?

Are you over landing and there just aren’t gas stations and don’t want to carry a Jerry Can?

Just curious. Thanks!

Greater range can equal greater towing range (which is usually greatly reduced), it also grants the opportunity to pick and choose the gas/rest stops a little more. My truck currently goes about 500, and what I like about it is I don't have to go to the gas station that often. It hurts a little more filling up at that moment, but depending on the drive-load I may be in again in a week, or it might be 3. My work varies so much on distances that it's hard to gauge exactly.

 

[cyure]

Greater range can equal greater towing range (which is usually greatly reduced), it also grants the opportunity to pick and choose the gas/rest stops a little more. My truck currently goes about 500, and what I like about it is I don't have to go to the gas station that often. It hurts a little more filling up at that moment, but depending on the drive-load I may be in again in a week, or it might be 3. My work varies so much on distances that it's hard to gauge exactly.

Thanks. I am legitimately curious. We have done a few cross country trips and many day trips and we stop often for stretch breaks, bathrooms, food, etc To me even 500 is more than I would need. We did one cross country trip in the Wrangler and one in the Supra and they both have about 320ish mile range. We would stop when we were down to about a third of a tank so we were probably going about 250 miles between stops. This is why I think the BEV will be perfect for us.