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Hope Scout lawyers jump on that one fast and get themselves added to the bill.
Doubtful:"The bill also blocks potential workarounds. Established automakers cannot create subsidiaries to sell directly, preventing legacy brands from bypassing dealer franchise laws. The U.S.-only requirement would also exclude Chinese EV makers if they eventually enter the American market."
 
Doubtful:"The bill also blocks potential workarounds. Established automakers cannot create subsidiaries to sell directly, preventing legacy brands from bypassing dealer franchise laws. The U.S.-only requirement would also exclude Chinese EV makers if they eventually enter the American market."
Free Market Capitalism is a myth.
 
$57,990 Performance w/ Launch Package R2 (330 mi, 87.9kWh, 656hp, 609lb-ft, dual motor)

$53,990 Premium R2 (330 mi, 87.9kWh, 450hp, 537lb-ft, dual motor)

$48,490 Standard R2 (345mi, 87.9kWh, 350hp, 355ft-lb, single motor, rear windows is unmovable)

$45,000 R2 with 265 range at a later date
There is zero chance those range figures are accurate
 
Hard reality and completely true. In 15 years I suspect Ford will be the only U.S. manufacturer left. I do often wonder, if China had billions of dollars worth of oil under their land would they still have advanced in EV adoption or become full capitalists like the U.S. and all the political support holding their industries back. Or did/would they still have had the foresight to advance technology?
We are in no way capitalists. We are a kleptocracy. China is far more capitalistic than we are. It’s a reason they have invested in their grid while we continue to allow towns to be burned down by power companies that refuse to do basic maintenance capex. We are a joke
 
We are in no way capitalists. We are a kleptocracy. China is far more capitalistic than we are. It’s a reason they have invested in their grid while we continue to allow towns to be burned down by power companies that refuse to do basic maintenance capex. We are a joke
You are conflating capitalism with protectionism.


Not relying on an energy source with volatile pricing is a protectionist policy.

Generating your own energy and investing in your own power production and distribution infrastructures limit the influence of foreign governments, and strengthens your economy and national secirity.

It is antithetical to capitalism where profits from the fossil fuel industry buy and run your government.
 
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Welcome to the club! The XRT is pretty cool.

I got my EV in September. And while I wouldn't "wish" high gas prices on anyone/anywhere like this, the fact that its making the Ioniq 9 a better purchase (by making the competing gas/hybrid vehicles we were considering instead have a higher cost of ownership), doesn't hurt anything.
The Ioniq 9 is especially nice. We test drove an Ioniq 9 and my wife would have taken that as her daily driver had she not had less than 2000 miles on her current vehicle. I'm sure she has the fever for a BEV now. I'm glad I made an extra Scout reservation a while back. ;)
 
You are conflating capitalism with protectionism.


Not relying on an energy source with volatile pricing is a protectionist policy.

Generating your own energy and investing in your own power production and distribution infrastructures limit the influence of foreign governments, and strengthens your economy and national secirity.

It is antithetical to capitalism where profits from the fossil fuel industry buy and run your government.
We are a kleptocracy, not a democracy, not a capitalist economy, just a straight up autocratic kleptocracy no different than Russia. The only reason we don’t have a modern grid, baseload nuclear, or large scale renewable is because the oil companies lobby against those industries using the $50bn in subsidies our govt gives them, that’s on top of oil concessions in Venezuela and Iran.
 
Breathe bro
My family lost their homes in the fires last year and the business was damaged because Edison failed to take down a tower they put up in 1923, said it was decommissioned, and which subsequently went ablaze at the base when the voltage from the new line jumped towers causing billions in damage. Hard to breathe when you need to do hand to hand combat with a well funded enemy and your insurance company to get restitution.
 
My family lost their homes in the fires last year and the business was damaged because Edison failed to take down a tower they put up in 1923, said it was decommissioned, and which subsequently went ablaze at the base when the voltage from the new line jumped towers causing billions in damage. Hard to breathe when you need to do hand to hand combat with a well funded enemy and your insurance company to get restitution.
Sorry to hear you are dealing with something like that. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like losing a home.
 
We are a kleptocracy, not a democracy, not a capitalist economy, just a straight up autocratic kleptocracy no different than Russia. The only reason we don’t have a modern grid, baseload nuclear, or large scale renewable is because the oil companies lobby against those industries using the $50bn in subsidies our govt gives them, that’s on top of oil concessions in Venezuela and Iran.
My point is, China’s grid and production investments have insulated themselves from the volatile petroleum market.

It is the only way to truly protect your country from foreign influence at such a large scale.

I’ve gone around in circles with Nationalist folks who think that electric vehicles are just a liberal thing, and don’t understand that investing in our grid and weaning ourselves off of foreign oil dependence is one of the best things your country can do to ensure independence, national security and limit foreign and domestic political influence.

We definitely live in a kleptocracy as you mentioned and I am sorry about your home. I’d be livid too.
 
My point is, China’s grid and production investments have insulated themselves from the volatile petroleum market.

It is the only way to truly protect your country from foreign influence at such a large scale.

I’ve gone around in circles with Nationalist folks who think that electric vehicles are just a liberal thing, and don’t understand that investing in our grid and weaning ourselves off of foreign oil dependence is one of the best things your country can do to ensure independence, national security and limit foreign and domestic political influence.

We definitely live in a kleptocracy as you mentioned and I am sorry about your home. I’d be livid too.
Without access to the elements required to make EV motors and batteries, as well as storage batteries for the grid, I feel like we'd still be reliant on other countries to a greater extent. I think that's a big reason behind the Greenland push- to allow us better access to certain minerals that are mostly provided by China.
 
Doubtful:"The bill also blocks potential workarounds. Established automakers cannot create subsidiaries to sell directly, preventing legacy brands from bypassing dealer franchise laws. The U.S.-only requirement would also exclude Chinese EV makers if they eventually enter the American market."

This is a big part of the fight Scout is waging and why they are distancing themselves in almost all aspects from being labeled a "VW Subsidiary"
 
This is a big part of the fight Scout is waging and why they are distancing themselves in almost all aspects from being labeled a "VW Subsidiary"
If the rumor of using Hyundai Mobis for batteries instead of PowerCo turns out to be true, it'd definitely be easier to argue they're more independent and less of a VAG offshoot. Branching out to more suppliers and using less of the traditional VW supply chain as a whole would be very helpful in those regards I'm thinking.
 
My family lost their homes in the fires last year and the business was damaged because Edison failed to take down a tower they put up in 1923, said it was decommissioned, and which subsequently went ablaze at the base when the voltage from the new line jumped towers causing billions in damage. Hard to breathe when you need to do hand to hand combat with a well funded enemy and your insurance company to get restitution.

Ooof. I’m really, really sorry. A few years ago, I had a year where every time I’d think “well, it’s a good thing I still have this left,” I’d lose whatever “this” was. That can most certainly leave you with An Outlook and a lot of pain. That will really mess you up. Naturally, yeah, your insurance company is in the business of not actually wanting to pay out your policy if they can help it and whoever is responsible will also do whatever they can to avoid being responsible, undervalue your stuff, and all of that because it’s just what they do. Like you said, they have the means to drag it out and know that you don’t. You have power, too, though. You can still do things like publicly shame them. You can share their correspondence on social media or with whatever news outlets like to publicly humiliate businesses that won’t do right by consumers. These guys can get bent.

I would agree that the oil lobby has outsized influence on the energy grid and on stuff overall and they, too, should get bent. In the previous administration, things seemed to be going kind of in the right direction. It took one election cycle to shit all of that up. I’m hoping another will restore it. 🤞