Is the EREV going to be a flop?

[BartMan Terra Total EV]

This. I’m trying to think of an off-road (not just off-highway) worthy trailer sold in the US that requires a 10,000 pound towing capacity.

Even something as extreme as this—imported from Australia, where they know extreme overlanding/offroading trailers—is just over 8800 pounds with an adjustable tongue weight (via touchscreen control of the adjustable tandem suspension).

Bruder EXP-10: Ultimate Off-Road Camper Trailer

The Bruder EXP-10 is the ultimate off-road, off-grid camper trailer. Designed and built for all seasons and all environments. Explore all features.

bruderx.com

Do you know if this Bruder adjustable tongue weight hitch acts like a wdh? Therefore a 10,000 ( 900+ tongue weight capacity) Terra BEV could legally pull it? If not then how could the Terra Harvester ever pull it.

The Kingdom Camping Karavan XL and Pause 22 4 are both just shy of 10k gwr.

 

[Mousehunter]

I don't know how the Bruder works - but I am betting it is via the air suspension. But a little more air in the rear, more weight forward. A bit more in the front, more weight will balance to the rear.

I have an Airstream - I have inadvertently realized how you have water in your tanks also can effect the tongue weight. That said, any water in the tanks makes things heavier - but I think my gray and black water tanks are behind the rear axle - but the fresh water is either in front of or over the axles.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Do you know if this Bruder adjustable tongue weight hitch acts like a wdh? Therefore a 10,000 ( 900+ tongue weight capacity) Terra BEV could legally pull it? If not then how could the Terra Harvester ever pull it.

The Kingdom Camping Karavan XL and Pause 22 4 are both just shy of 10k gwr.

The Bruder EXP-10 is a neat beast.

A WDH transfers the trailer weight to be more on the rear axle of the trailer than the rear axle of the tow vehicle. The Bruder EXP-10 does this by adjusting the relative lengths of the trailer’s front and rear suspension, essentially changing the trailer’s geometry relative to the tow vehicle. The WDH does a similar thing in the weight transfer from the tow vehicle to the trailer axles. There’s a limit to what the WDH can do within its setup. With the Bruder’s suspension adjustment, those limits are much different and the tongue weight can be made very low (too low for safety in some instances). So, in theory, the Bruder could be towed by a vehicle with a 500 pound maximum tongue weight capacity, as long as it had the GCWR to include an 8900 pound trailer.

I don’t know anything about the legality in the US would be, nor the insurance liability coverage.

A >5000 pound trailer that doesn’t have the active, adjustable suspension like the Bruder shouldn’t be towed without a WDH. Certainly not on any paved road, not on gravel roads, and maybe not off-road.

Now, an addendum to the previous sentence…
Note that the Bruder EXP-10 uses an articulated tongue. I believe it’s a McHitch brand attachment, but if not it’s a very near copy. The McHitch articulated hitch can be combined with a WDH setup for quick switching from on-road to off-road to on-road with the proper WDH.

I don’t think I’d be comfortable with a 900 pound tongue weight without a WDH, even on the dirt. But I might be willing to do 600-700 pounds without the WDH if I’m going very slow and am in a place that a failure will not endanger others. In other words, I think I could maybe comfortably take a 5100-7000 or maybe even 7500 pound off-road trailer packed properly to have a little less than 10% tongue weight. On-road I would tow with a McHitch + WDH and off-road with just the McHitch (which is essentially just removing the WDH spring bars, which provide all of the weight distribution action). But if the front axle weight loss was too great, I wouldn’t do it.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I don't know how the Bruder works - but I am betting it is via the air suspension. But a little more air in the rear, more weight forward. A bit more in the front, more weight will balance to the rear.

I have an Airstream - I have inadvertently realized how you have water in your tanks also can effect the tongue weight. That said, any water in the tanks makes things heavier - but I think my gray and black water tanks are behind the rear axle - but the fresh water is either in front of or over the axles.

I think the Bruder suspension is hydraulic rather than pneumatic. But I haven’t dug into it to be sure.

 

[mastertroll]

This all sounds expensive. I have heard others project the Harvester models should not cost anymore then bev models. Does not seem possible to do all of these upgrades and not be more expensive. Again this 10,000 pound towing number that everyone mentions is for highway towing with a WDH. This is 3/4 ton truck kind of numbers.

Personally speaking.. I'm not concerned as much with towing. I just don't want to see choosing the harvester as a downgrade in capability for both towing and performance.

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

This. I’m trying to think of an off-road (not just off-highway) worthy trailer sold in the US that requires a 10,000 pound towing capacity.

Even something as extreme as this—imported from Australia, where they know extreme overlanding/offroading trailers—is just over 8800 pounds with an adjustable tongue weight (via touchscreen control of the adjustable tandem suspension).

Bruder EXP-10: Ultimate Off-Road Camper Trailer

The Bruder EXP-10 is the ultimate off-road, off-grid camper trailer. Designed and built for all seasons and all environments. Explore all features.

bruderx.com

Yeah man. My Scout better be able to run the Black Bear with a 10,000 lb trailer or else!!! (I’ll take my toys and go home).

 

[weavahVBC]

Can we get a frunk monkey for ads?

Anyone else have Beastie Boys' "Brass Monkey" instantly pop-in their head?

Braaass Monkey, that f(r)unky monkey!

 

[speedrye]

I’d rather have an oversized frunk with two adults dressed as hamsters in a wheel talking about what really powers an EV

Kia discontinued the Soul last year, so their hamsters are likely unemployed. They'll probably work for peanuts.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/goodbye-hamsters-the-kia-soul-is-dead

 

[J Alynn]

Kia discontinued the Soul last year, so their hamsters are likely unemployed. They'll probably work for peanuts.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/goodbye-hamsters-the-kia-soul-is-dead

Forgot about them. Welcome to unemployment classes