Package options - what would you like bundled?

[apex96]

I, like everyone on here, would like everything to be à la carte, but I understand for a manufacturer that is probably more difficult and I would imagine they make more money with packages. Otherwise they wouldn’t have packages.

So if we have to have packages what would you want included and be willing to pay for in said package? What would you prefer to be à la carte?

For me I would be willing to pay for an off road appearance package. Upgraded wheel, off-road tire (K03 or similar), tire carrier, rock slider and steel bumper.

À la carte I would like:

1. Roof options
2. Roof rails or rack
3. Interior colors/seat/dash/door materials.
4. Roof color

What does everyone else think? I can’t imagine we won’t have packages, what’s acceptable?

package wise I'd like something very similar to what ford had with the first three years (2018-2020) of the 4th gen Expedition. Came on the XLT trim called the 202A package.

202A included
-heated steering wheel
-heated/cooled seats
-leather seating
-8 way power adjusted seating for driver and passenger
-3 memory settings for the drivers seat
-remote start on the fob and app
-sync 3 infotainment with navigation
-auto dimming rear view and side view mirrors
-power folding mirrors
-power tilt/telescoping steering wheel
-power adjustable pedals
-fog lights
-auto high beams
-etc...

I'm sure I missing options that the 202A package came with but this is the bulk of the goodies. All this was available as an upgrade package on what was the starting trim at the time. XL trims I believe came later to slot in below.

Ford later started de-contenting the 202A package and made certain things only available on the higher trim levels to get folks to spend more money...

I'd like to see a package with these options available soon after launch, if possible.

 

[cyure]

As I told one of the reps in Fort Worth this week, I think a mom-mobile version of the traveler would do very well.

I don’t mean anything pejorative by that. I would be the market for that type of vehicle. We don’t overland or go on off road adventures. But a large SUV with 350 miles of range and creature comforts that a family wants seems to be the jam for a lot of suburbanites. My family being one of them.

I’m a mom and I don’t take offense to it. Just like you see all the moms in Wranglers and 4Runners.

 

[J Alynn]

As I told one of the reps in Fort Worth this week, I think a mom-mobile version of the traveler would do very well.

I don’t mean anything pejorative by that. I would be the market for that type of vehicle. We don’t overland or go on off road adventures. But a large SUV with 350 miles of range and creature comforts that a family wants seems to be the jam for a lot of suburbanites. My family being one of them.

100% agree with you. A weekend sports family hauler-what would tha package contain?

 

[J Alynn]

package wise I'd like something very similar to what ford had with the first three years (2018-2020) of the 4th gen Expedition. Came on the XLT trim called the 202A package.

202A included
-heated steering wheel
-heated/cooled seats
-leather seating
-8 way power adjusted seating for driver and passenger
-3 memory settings for the drivers seat
-remote start on the fob and app
-sync 3 infotainment with navigation
-auto dimming rear view and side view mirrors
-power folding mirrors
-power tilt/telescoping steering wheel
-power adjustable pedals
-fog lights
-auto high beams
-etc...

I'm sure I missing options that the 202A package came with but this is the bulk of the goodies. All this was available as an upgrade package on what was the starting trim at the time. XL trims I believe came later to slot in below.

Ford later started de-contenting the 202A package and made certain things only available on the higher trim levels to get folks to spend more money...

I'd like to see a package with these options available soon after launch, if possible.

I would select that

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Heated mirrors and windshield? Heated headlights, maybe mud guards? Maybe a reverse camera sprayer to get salt and snow off lense? Stuff I’d like obviously but would make sense in a package. Then have cooled seats as stand alone because nobody in Pheonix wants or needs anything heated-or maybe they do

I live at ~7000 ft elevation in one of the snowiest cities in North America. I’m only ~2 hours from Phoenix. I want the cold weather package, including heated seats and steering wheel. And I want the package that includes cooled, preferably AC-vented, seats. And would love a chilled steering wheel. These would all be even better with non-subscription remote start/remote HVAC.

 

[J Alynn]

I live at ~7000 ft elevation in one of the snowiest cities in North America. I’m only ~2 hours from Phoenix. I want the cold weather package, including heated seats and steering wheel. And I want the package that includes cooled, preferably AC-vented, seats. And would love a chilled steering wheel. These would all be even better with non-subscription remote start/remote HVAC.

A cooled steering wheel would be amazing!

 

[Logan]

A cooled steering wheel would be amazing!

I did high school in phoenix, and my parents still live there.

I legit had friends that kept oven mitts in the car to be able to touch the steering wheel after school.

But I’m assuming you’re not looking for scout branded oven mitts?

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[SrfnFly227]

I know mine has the cold weather package for 2013. This is what it was.

Do you have power mirrors? Or do you have to manually adjust them? That would tell you whether there's a power wire run in there. I would doubt it on a Wrangler though as it would complicate going doorless. I know they have the quick connect wires now for the power locks and windows, but mirrors would be yet another.

My Grand Cherokee and Pacifica both have heated mirrors. It is indicated by a symbol on the mirror it's self (Stellantis is consistent) and there is no selection to turn them on. I believe they are activated by either the front or rear defrost.

 

[cyure]

Do you have power mirrors? Or do you have to manually adjust them? That would tell you whether there's a power wire run in there. I would doubt it on a Wrangler though as it would complicate going doorless. I know they have the quick connect wires now for the power locks and windows, but mirrors would be yet another.

My Grand Cherokee and Pacifica both have heated mirrors. It is indicated by a symbol on the mirror it's self (Stellantis is consistent) and there is no selection to turn them on. I believe they are activated by either the front or rear defrost.

I do have power mirrors. When you take off the door there’s a wiring bundle that you have to unplug for each door. No heated mirror tho. I looked up what that cold weather package was that I bought. Basically heated seats and rubber floor mats.

 

[Logan]

While ala-cart ordering of options would be super nice, I severely doubt that it will happen. Every additional choice costs money, as it adds manufacturing complexity.

I'm sure we'll get a few trims to choose from, and probably a few option packages too. But I'd assume it will be pretty simple/straightforward.

My Ioniq 9 I just got, has literally zero options available. You only get to choose trim, interior color, and exterior color. Although there were 5 trims to choose from. I'd assume scout will have 3, maybe 4 trims to choose from (and I'm assuming one of those may be a "launch edition", similar to what Rivian did), and maybe the same number of packages (offroad, cold weather, towing??).



On the Ioniq 9 you do get to choose between some "accessories", but those were just things like floor mats, and "first aid kits" and other things like that. And for in stock models, they just had some random collection of those accessories added together.

And I truly mean random. I saw some vehicles with both carpet floormats, and rubber floor mats added, as well as the first aid kit, and the "winter kit" (both of which featured first aid type accessories). And none of those are allowed to be changed/etc, as they're part of the sticker price. So none of that please.

 

[BeerParty]

On the Ioniq 9 you do get to choose between some "accessories", but those were just things like floor mats, and "first aid kits" and other things like that. And for in stock models, they just had some random collection of those accessories added together.

And I truly mean random. I saw some vehicles with both carpet floormats, and rubber floor mats added, as well as the first aid kit, and the "winter kit" (both of which featured first aid type accessories). And none of those are allowed to be changed/etc, as they're part of the sticker price. So none of that please.

Since Scout will be selling direct, I don't think we have to worry about "required dealer add-ons" like the extra floor mats and first aid kits. I'm sure the dealers add those on for <reasons>, but I doubt those reasons apply to a direct sales model.

That said - a Scout branded first aid kit designed for a specific spot in the trucks could be a fun add-on. Or even better, a Scout branded first aid case that we fill ourselves. I know a few people have expressed interest in the branded binoculars - so I would guess that a branded first aid kit/case would be popular as well.

 

[BeerParty]

I'm sure we'll get a few trims to choose from, and probably a few option packages too. But I'd assume it will be pretty simple/straightforward.

My Ioniq 9 I just got, has literally zero options available. You only get to choose trim, interior color, and exterior color. Although there were 5 trims to choose from. I'd assume scout will have 3, maybe 4 trims to choose from (and I'm assuming one of those may be a "launch edition", similar to what Rivian did), and maybe the same number of packages (offroad, cold weather, towing??).

I hope that Scout does not do a bunch of trim levels. What I would prefer is packages like @Logan mentioned. Rather than trim levels (which have fancy names, but realistically are just variants of "basic", "mid-level", and 'high priced"), I hope they have one or two trims but offer packages. You mentioned a few packages, like: off-road, cold weather, and towing. While a lot of people want full control of what options to include, from a manufacturing perspective that could get complicated quickly.

The main differentiator between trim levels and packages, to me, is that you can combine packages. In addition to the ones mentioned, I expect there would be several other packages. I want the cold weather and towing package. Buyer A wants the off-road and cold weather packages. Buyer B wants the cold weather and power package, which includes extra interior and exterior lighting and V2L 120v and 240V outlets. And so on.

 

[Logan]

Since Scout will be selling direct, I don't think we have to worry about "required dealer add-ons" like the extra floor mats and first aid kits. I'm sure the dealers add those on for <reasons>, but I doubt those reasons apply to a direct sales model.

That said - a Scout branded first aid kit designed for a specific spot in the trucks could be a fun add-on. Or even better, a Scout branded first aid case that we fill ourselves. I know a few people have expressed interest in the branded binoculars - so I would guess that a branded first aid kit/case would be popular as well.

I hope similarly.

Although, apparently there is a difference between "dealer installed" addons, and "port installed" addons. Dealer ones you can haggle (like the $800 "required GPS tracking device" they tried to make me pay, that I refused). But the port installed ones are on the official sticker from the port, so removing them is a big problem.

It is dumb.

I hope that Scout does not do a bunch of trim levels. What I would prefer is packages like @Logan mentioned. Rather than trim levels (which have fancy names, but realistically are just variants of "basic", "mid-level", and 'high priced"), I hope they have one or two trims but offer packages. You mentioned a few packages, like: off-road, cold weather, and towing. While a lot of people want full control of what options to include, from a manufacturing perspective that could get complicated quickly.

The main differentiator between trim levels and packages, to me, is that you can combine packages. In addition to the ones mentioned, I expect there would be several other packages. I want the cold weather and towing package. Buyer A wants the off-road and cold weather packages. Buyer B wants the cold weather and power package, which includes extra interior and exterior lighting and V2L 120v and 240V outlets. And so on.

Sure.

But then you need a lot more packages. And it starts to balloon really quickly when you consider all of the different ways you can combine them (which, of course as a consumer, is what we like about them, but from the manufacturing side of things, is more expensive/difficult).

Like, just for the seat options that seem likely:

• "vinyl seats" package
• "cloth seats" package
• "fake leather seats" package
• "actual Leather" package
• "really nicer quilted actual leather" package.

And then you have all the other packages:

• 33in Tires with 18in wheels
• 33in tires with 20in wheels
• 35in tires with 18in wheels
• 35in tires with 20in wheels
• 37in tires with 18in wheels
• 37in tires with 20in wheels
• Cold weather package
• Hot weather package
• Cabana roof
• glass roof
• Solid roof
• Power output package (AC power)
• Towing Package
• Offroad package (front locker, etc)
• etc

Anyway, I'm with you on the benefits. I just think for a brand new vehicle, in a brand new factory, with a brand new workforce, in the "really expensive everything" environment we've got going on, we're less likely to get "infinite choices", simply because it reduces the cost/complexity/difficulty of getting things up and running.

Happy to be wrong. But my gut seems to think that small levels of trims + small number of packages is more likely than ala-cart packages/features.

We will see .

 

[cyure]

I hope similarly.

Although, apparently there is a difference between "dealer installed" addons, and "port installed" addons. Dealer ones you can haggle (like the $800 "required GPS tracking device" they tried to make me pay, that I refused). But the port installed ones are on the official sticker from the port, so removing them is a big problem.

It is dumb.



Sure.

But then you need a lot more packages. And it starts to balloon really quickly when you consider all of the different ways you can combine them (which, of course as a consumer, is what we like about them, but from the manufacturing side of things, is more expensive/difficult).

Like, just for the seat options that seem likely:

• "vinyl seats" package
• "cloth seats" package
• "fake leather seats" package
• "actual Leather" package
• "really nicer quilted actual leather" package.

And then you have all the other packages:

• 33in Tires with 18in wheels
• 33in tires with 20in wheels
• 35in tires with 18in wheels
• 35in tires with 20in wheels
• 37in tires with 18in wheels
• 37in tires with 20in wheels
• Cold weather package
• Hot weather package
• Cabana roof
• glass roof
• Solid roof
• Power output package (AC power)
• Towing Package
• Offroad package (front locker, etc)
• etc

Anyway, I'm with you on the benefits. I just thing for a brand new vehicle, in a brand new factory, with a brand new workforce, in the "really expensive everything" environment we've got going on, we're less likely to get "infinite choices", simply because it reduces the cost/complexity/difficulty of getting things up and running.

Happy to be wrong. But my gut seems to think that small levels of trims + small number of packages is more likely than ala-cart packages/features.

We will see .

Faith and patience.

 

[Chaz26]

If we have to have packages I just want them to make sense, like a cold weather package, or an off-road package. I hate when manufacturers have packages that combine things that don't go together and force you to get something else, for example, I'm on Toyota's website configuring a Toyota Tundra SR5. If I want blind spot monitoring, front and rear park assist and panoramic view monitor, I have to select the Advanced Technology Package (also get digital rear camera and trailer backup guide) which all seems to make sense as a package, but that also requires me to have a separate package for $860 to get heated mirrors which also has the panoramic view monitor and blind spot monitor, and then another separate Premium Audio package for $1,145. But what if I just wanted the park assist features from the advanced tech package and not premium audio, things like that annoy me because the price rapidly goes up for additional packages that I wouldn't necessarily want.

 

[Coyle70]

While ala-cart ordering of options would be super nice, I severely doubt that it will happen. Every additional choice costs money, as it adds manufacturing complexity.

I'm sure we'll get a few trims to choose from, and probably a few option packages too. But I'd assume it will be pretty simple/straightforward.

My Ioniq 9 I just got, has literally zero options available. You only get to choose trim, interior color, and exterior color. Although there were 5 trims to choose from. I'd assume scout will have 3, maybe 4 trims to choose from (and I'm assuming one of those may be a "launch edition", similar to what Rivian did), and maybe the same number of packages (offroad, cold weather, towing??).



On the Ioniq 9 you do get to choose between some "accessories", but those were just things like floor mats, and "first aid kits" and other things like that. And for in stock models, they just had some random collection of those accessories added together.

And I truly mean random. I saw some vehicles with both carpet floormats, and rubber floor mats added, as well as the first aid kit, and the "winter kit" (both of which featured first aid type accessories). And none of those are allowed to be changed/etc, as they're part of the sticker price. So none of that please.

I like trim levels but don’t make me lose something unnecessary by upgrading trim package. Like color or rim style. I like styles being more progressive than either or.
Within reason of course obviously you can’t have Cabana top and glass roof.

 

[cyure]

I like trim levels but don’t make me lose something unnecessary by upgrading trim package. Like color or rim style. I like styles being more progressive than either or.
Within reason of course obviously you can’t have Cabana top and glass roof.

The roofs and roof racks/rails need to be available on each trim level independent of a package or trim level.

I know it’s not anywhere close to the same price range but my son’s Venue. Mid trim came with sunroof no heated seats and less safety features. Highest trim came with heated seats, no sunroof and all the safety features. Newer driver so wanted every safety feature possible so sorry no sunroof for you because it couldn’t be added. The heated seats and sunroof were trim specific.

 

[J Alynn]

The roofs and roof racks/rails need to be available on each trim level independent of a package or trim level.

I know it’s not anywhere close to the same price range but my son’s Venue. Mid trim came with sunroof no heated seats and less safety features. Highest trim came with heated seats, no sunroof and all the safety features. Newer driver so wanted every safety feature possible so sorry no sunroof for you because it couldn’t be added. The heated seats and sunroof were trim specific.

That’s just ridiculous

 

[david corey]

I believe the Scout at heart should remain a basic, light duty, fun, sometime off-road vehicle, and should reflect that in the base price.
My idea of the base package: vinyl, cloth, or viny/cloth combo interior with vinal flooring, AC/Heat, defrosters front and back, cruise control, power windows and seats, tinted windshield, controllable windshield wipers/washer, sound system with GPS, satellite radio capable, full-size spare tire with attachment.

This may be too OG for most folks, but with Scout Motors keeping tight chested about their offerings for that start point, add-ons can quickly price the prospective buyer out of the sale. The add-on packages offered thus far are exactly what I want to consider, but what is the start point? Bottom line, I still want to afford to buy one.

 

[cyure]

I believe the Scout at heart should remain a basic, light duty, fun, sometime off-road vehicle, and should reflect that in the base price.
My idea of the base package: vinyl, cloth, or viny/cloth combo interior with vinal flooring, AC/Heat, defrosters front and back, cruise control, power windows and seats, tinted windshield, controllable windshield wipers/washer, sound system with GPS, satellite radio capable, full-size spare tire with attachment.

This may be too OG for most folks, but with Scout Motors keeping tight chested about their offerings for that start point, add-ons can quickly price the prospective buyer out of the sale. The add-on packages offered thus far are exactly what I want to consider, but what is the start point? Bottom line, I still want to afford to buy one.

Okay but an almost $60,000 base vehicle? Do you still see cloth/vinyl seating at that price point?