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I'm not sure how I feel about unions these days, I'm pretty out-of-touch... Back in the '80s and '90s I saw an awful lot of misuse of union power in the automotive industry and it soured me quite a bit on the UAW. Hopefully it has changed.
Sadly I was not aware of companies still abusing human rights in the US - guess I live under a rock... That should be remedied.
Even if every issue was directly caused by the unions…taking a look around today with such weak unions and workers makes it clear not having them is much, much worse for people than having them.
 
You're working on a production line its not meant to be sunshine and rainbows. You're there to build cars at the best possible quality and speed you can. It's a high physicality job.

Unions make it worse, look at VW, they can't catch a break from the UAW. So glad Scout is in SC, where you don't have to be signed up with the UAW.

It's called pay workers good, and give good benefits.
 
A thread to drop news articles into.

You're working on a production line its not meant to be sunshine and rainbows. You're there to build cars at the best possible quality and speed you can. It's a high physicality job.

Unions make it worse, look at VW, they can't catch a break from the UAW. So glad Scout is in SC, where you don't have to be signed up with the UAW.

It's called pay workers good, and give good benefits.
Ok, I'm taking the bait again. What are workers to do when their only employment options don't pay a fair wage or give good benefits?


Edit for added content between horizontal lines: I don't want to stir things up, this is an honest question. Think about the question in the context of a Chinese factory worker. Or say, the workers described in this article from upthread:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo

This is in Brazil. Do you expect every government to act like the Brazilian government? That has not been my experience.


Anyway, I looked at the first post, it said "a thread to drop news articles into". Not exactly news articles, but this is what I am working on reading and why I'll be posting less

Need to finish:

Need to spend time on:

Which I expect will be good based on the authors previous work:

What I want to read for fun:

What I am actually going to read for fun:

Other reading material on the list
And undecided if I will spend the time on these
 
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I did see this article when it came out. But, that is mostly for Europe. Maybe ford will glean enough tech in Europe and just send it over to the US.
There was also reporting on the Ford Xiaomi partnership discussions. And I think it is well known Jim Farley imported a Xiaomi SU7. But subsequent reporting on Ford makes me think they are either playing their cards close or gave up on a Chinese EV partnership

Ford Xiaomi partnership talks:

Reports on how Farley thought about the Xiaomi SU7 as of 2024:

Farley is quoted as saying

“They have enough capacity in China to cover all of the manufacturing and all of the vehicle sales in the U.S. We should not let them into our country because of the economic impact,” Farley said bluntly when asked about China’s incursion into the West.

 
You can almost hear the execs at Nissan in the background...

"We need an EV truck ASAP!!!"
"Let's beat Toyota to it and bring back the XTerra!!!"
"Let's steal the hummer headlights"
"Let's use the Scout roofrack!!!"
"Put the plant in Mississippi!!!"

OK.
"Let's use Agentic AI to do it faster"

I'm not joking

"At Nissan, the main focus is automating some menial tasks of software development, like unit tests. Takashi Yoshizawa, corporate executive at Nissan in charge of software-defined vehicles, told me these code-generation tools “improve both development speed as well as quality.”"

"For its part, Nissan is working toward a 30-month goal for new cars as it works to regain momentum in the US market."
 
"Let's use Agentic AI to do it faster"

I'm not joking

"At Nissan, the main focus is automating some menial tasks of software development, like unit tests. Takashi Yoshizawa, corporate executive at Nissan in charge of software-defined vehicles, told me these code-generation tools “improve both development speed as well as quality.”"

"For its part, Nissan is working toward a 30-month goal for new cars as it works to regain momentum in the US market."
That’s a good way to never have anything unique again. Just a bunch of Frankenstein cars with pieces of other models shoved together.
 
That’s a good way to never have anything unique again. Just a bunch of Frankenstein cars with pieces of other models shoved together.

I would be generally inclined to agree with your statement. However, there are other ways to use "AI" besides remixing already published work. For example neural networks for increasing simulation throughput at a likely cost in accuracy, which is generally ok because any skilled engineer knows simulations are only approximations of reality anyway. The article has this paragraph

"Computational fluid dynamics (CFD) is the science of determining just how well a fluid flows around a given shape. CFD helps EVs go a little farther on a charge, and big trucks offer slightly improved wind resistance. Since 2018, a Swiss company called Neural Concept has been bringing the power of neural networks to the art of CFD. Tasks that formerly took hours on supercomputers can be simulated in minutes on GPUs like those from Nvidia."

Part of the challenge with understanding "AI" is that news articles tend to lump many different things together under the same term "AI", when in fact AI is just a buzzword and there are lots of different techniques, some useful some harmful that getting that label. So, and I'm guilty of this right now also, any serious discussion of AI usage should eschew the term AI and refer when possible to the specific technique being used (LLM, GenAI for videos, neural networks (RNN, CNN, DNN, etc), and so on).
 
"Let's use Agentic AI to do it faster"

I'm not joking

"At Nissan, the main focus is automating some menial tasks of software development, like unit tests. Takashi Yoshizawa, corporate executive at Nissan in charge of software-defined vehicles, told me these code-generation tools “improve both development speed as well as quality.”"

"For its part, Nissan is working toward a 30-month goal for new cars as it works to regain momentum in the US market."
Nissan lost touch with the US market when they stopped making the GTR.
 
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Nissan lost touch with the US market when they stopped making the GTR.
Honestly not sure if this is a joke or not. the GTR last model year was 2024, seems... recoverable?

When I bought the Scout in my profile photo circa 2005, there were a couple of other vehicles I also considered... Nissan Frontier (ruled out because I already had a Toyota Tacoma as my daily), Land Rover Discovery (too expensive, reliability concerns, would rather have had a D90 but those were too hard to find), Toyota FJ Cruiser (floor didn't lay flat for emergency car camping), and Nissan Xterra, which almost fit the bill, but I went with the Scout because of the removable top. The Xterra was a very very close 2nd place though and I had friends who were very happy with them.

Also, the Nissan Design Center used to be down the street from my office, actually it is still there: https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/nissan-design-america

Nissan is a credible competitor who I would not dismiss.
 
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Honestly not sure if this is a joke or not. the GTR last model year was 2024, seems... recoverable?

When I bought the Scout in my profile photo circa 2005, there were a couple of other vehicles I also considered... Nissan Frontier (ruled out because I already had a Toyota Tacoma as my daily), Land Rover Discovery (too expensive, reliability concerns, would rather have had a D90 but those were too hard to find), Toyota FJ Cruiser (floor didn't lay flat for emergency car camping), and Nissan Xterra, which almost fit the bill, but I went with the Scout because of the removable top. The Xterra was a very very close 2nd place though and I had friends who were very happy with them.

Also, the Nissan Design Center used to be down the street from my office, actually it is still there: https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/nissan-design-america

Nissan is a credible competitor who I would not dismiss.
They just need to get an Xterra back on the market. We had one that we bought new and it was a great car.
 
I think its an unwritten rule at this point that automakers are required to give their EVs the ugliest styling possible.
And then wonder why (most) people don't want to drive them. :ROFLMAO:

heading into an infomercial...

"That's what makes Scout so great! Not only do you get the benefits of EV or HREV ownership, but you also get the classically good looks that are associated with the brand from its great American go-anywhere heritage. Get yours, today!"
 
And then wonder why (most) people don't want to drive them. :ROFLMAO:

heading into an infomercial...

"That's what makes Scout so great! Not only do you get the benefits of EV or HREV ownership, but you also get the classically good looks that are associated with the brand from its great American go-anywhere heritage. Get yours, today!"

Part of me is convinced they do it on purpose (at least in the US). "See! Nobody is interested in EVs!!!!!"
 
Part of me is convinced they do it on purpose (at least in the US). "See! Nobody is interested in EVs!!!!!"
I'm tempted to agree, honestly.

I thought Ford did a good move by making their Lightning look as much like a regular F-150 while simultaneously looking as different as possible. These maker's cars/trucks could all function that way.
 
I'm tempted to agree, honestly.

I thought Ford did a good move by making their Lightning look as much like a regular F-150 while simultaneously looking as different as possible. These maker's cars/trucks could all function that way.
They seem to try and go “futuristic” when retro is right there waiting for them.