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I ain’t ashamed to admit I love hanging out with friends shooting the shit, having a good time.

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I have a lot of acquaintances that play. I just never figured out how to enjoy it. Had a boss for a period that would pay me to build “sets” for whatever role play type game he played. It wasn’t D&D but one of those types. We all have our things-no shade
Custom-designed and built sets… Nice!
Semi-custom gaming tables were going for >$10k a pop a couple of years ago. I could never commit that kind of money, but I understand the appeal.
 
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NASA hasn’t blown up a rocket on launch in 40 years. That happens every other launch attempt with the showman’s rockets.
NASA’s accomplishments have been nothing short of spectacular in my lifetime.
I could be wrong, but I believe most all of the accidents were caused by 3rd party design/manufacturing failures.
I have always believed that QA/inspection is almost more difficult than designing and building yourself…
 
NASA’s accomplishments have been nothing short of spectacular in my lifetime.
I could be wrong, but I believe most all of the accidents were caused by 3rd party design/manufacturing failures.
I have always believed that QA/inspection is almost more difficult than designing and building yourself…
It’s a super difficult thing.
Balancing risks is far, far more difficult than most people will even bother to comprehend.
One of the reasons the showman’s company has barely met any of his promises (he promised he would land rockets on Mars by 2016 and people by 2018, for example) is because complex systems fail in complex ways that are almost impossible to plan for or to predict. “Go fast and break things” only works a couple of times. After that, things keep breaking in ways you can’t understand if you don’t go smoothly instead of always pushing ahead.

This is one reason it’s weird to me people keep pushing to put SSBs (that don’t even exist) in the first generation Scouts. Transportation accidents are a major cause of injury and death in the US and people want to put untested components into a new batch of vehicles? And they want it to cost $30k?
 
Not saying the showman has not had some failures (and some projects have certainly gone over his overly optimistic time budget) - but he is putting more tonnage into space than every other company and nation on this rock. Starship is a big step forward, but not long ago people were thinking that nobody could land a rocket on it's tail and reuse it till his company proved them wrong - and that company has done that spectacularly. One could also argue his company has done more for EV adoption in the US than any other company.

So much hate because he is considered a traitor to a political party.

Scout needs to be a 50 states vehicle. Not just a blue state vehicle. I hope (dare I say pray - guess those are also fighting words) they can stay enough out of politics to pull that off.
 
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Not saying the showman has not had some failures (and some projects have certainly gone over his overly optimistic time budget) - but he is putting more tonnage into space than every other company and nation on this rock. Starship is a big step forward, but not long ago people were thinking that nobody could land a rocket on it's tail and reuse it till his company proved them wrong - and that company has done that spectacularly. One could also argue his company has done more for EV adoption in the US than any other company.

So much hate because he is considered a traitor to a political party.

Scout needs to be a 50 states vehicle. Not just a blue state vehicle. I hope (dare I say pray - guess those are also fighting words) they can stay enough out of politics to pull that off.
I apologize, I wasn’t trying to say that SpaceX or Tesla accomplishments aren’t also spectacular…. I just feel like NASA gets a bad wrap at times.
I think we forget that most of their accomplishments occurred during a time when technology was pushed to its limits for them to be achieved.
 
Anyone else enjoy the Apple TV show "For All Mankind"? Interesting premise of what would happen if the space race never ended and the Russians landed on the moon first.
 
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It’s a super difficult thing.
Balancing risks is far, far more difficult than most people will even bother to comprehend.
One of the reasons the showman’s company has barely met any of his promises (he promised he would land rockets on Mars by 2016 and people by 2018, for example) is because complex systems fail in complex ways that are almost impossible to plan for or to predict. “Go fast and break things” only works a couple of times. After that, things keep breaking in ways you can’t understand if you don’t go smoothly instead of always pushing ahead.

This is one reason it’s weird to me people keep pushing to put SSBs (that don’t even exist) in the first generation Scouts. Transportation accidents are a major cause of injury and death in the US and people want to put untested components into a new batch of vehicles? And they want it to cost $30k?
Sad but true. What’s that F1 line-“slow is smooth, smooth is fast”. ???
 
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With Rivian Im losing it. veyr quickly. some days they have a great day going from $14 and ending at $17. But the next day they will open at $13.76 and end the day at $14. So yeah, my patience and faith for them is gone. Until I see it at $20 (which is 30 cents higher then what I bought at) and rising then I will have faith for them agian.
 
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With Rivian Im losing it. veyr quickly. some days they have a great day going from $14 and ending at $17. But the next day they will open at $13.76 and end the day at $14. So yeah, my patience and faith for them is gone. Until I see it at $20 (which is 30 cents higher then what I bought at) and rising then I will have faith for them agian.
understood...
 
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Right. Like I completely support them, I like what they are doing. I just don't know if they will be around in 10 years because it's a very rocky start since they began building and selling vehicles years back. And for some reason it seems like they are in a never-ending orbit of great opportunity and failure of execution to meet estimates.

They should do what i've seen people recommend them for years, become the lead supplier and maker of Zonal Architecture. It would make them billions!!
 
Looking at RIVN is different than looking at Rivian. The RIVN stock price and markets are impacted by geopolitical and macro forces that Rivian does not control. Rivian (the company) can crush innovation and solidify itself against the legacy OEM's as a domestic EV truck player FOR YEARS, while the stock price lags. Not to mention that there are so many "anti-EV" factions spewing propaganda and misinformation at any company like Rivian. You need to separate Rivian from RIVN. Most people that invested in RIVN don't want to hear it b/c they wanted the quick win. The world hasn't been operating in favor of the business from a share price perspective.

  • Rivian the "business" launched into one of the most complex supply chain environments in decades, scaled production, built a defensible brand, and maintained strategic partnerships.
  • RIVN the "stock" launched into a rising‑rate regime where long‑duration cash flows were systematically devalued while an administration propped up O&G and stifled innovation, while simultaneously enabling competition from countries like China allowing for widening a gap with the U.S.
Thoese two things can (and likely will) be divergent for at least the next 2 years.

Faith and Patience
Correct.
 
It’s a super difficult thing.
Balancing risks is far, far more difficult than most people will even bother to comprehend.
One of the reasons the showman’s company has barely met any of his promises (he promised he would land rockets on Mars by 2016 and people by 2018, for example) is because complex systems fail in complex ways that are almost impossible to plan for or to predict. “Go fast and break things” only works a couple of times. After that, things keep breaking in ways you can’t understand if you don’t go smoothly instead of always pushing ahead.

This is one reason it’s weird to me people keep pushing to put SSBs (that don’t even exist) in the first generation Scouts. Transportation accidents are a major cause of injury and death in the US and people want to put untested components into a new batch of vehicles? And they want it to cost $30k?
Thoughts on Rocket Lab? They seem to be taking a proper, methodical approach to space.

I'm skeptical of the upcoming SpaceX IPO. I'm sure it'll be overpriced, and likely overvalued, but I want to know more about the numbers. How much cash have they been burning for Starship? Is the IPO there because they're running low on cash, despite Starlink revenue?
 
Looking at RIVN is different than looking at Rivian. The RIVN stock price and markets are impacted by geopolitical and macro forces that Rivian does not control. Rivian (the company) can crush innovation and solidify itself against the legacy OEM's as a domestic EV truck player FOR YEARS, while the stock price lags. Not to mention that there are so many "anti-EV" factions spewing propaganda and misinformation at any company like Rivian. You need to separate Rivian from RIVN. Most people that invested in RIVN don't want to hear it b/c they wanted the quick win. The world hasn't been operating in favor of the business from a share price perspective.

  • Rivian the "business" launched into one of the most complex supply chain environments in decades, scaled production, built a defensible brand, and maintained strategic partnerships.
  • RIVN the "stock" launched into a rising‑rate regime where long‑duration cash flows were systematically devalued while an administration propped up O&G and stifled innovation, while simultaneously enabling competition from countries like China allowing for widening a gap with the U.S.
Thoese two things can (and likely will) be divergent for at least the next 2 years.


Correct.
Not to mention the arbitrage of day traders...
 
Thoughts on Rocket Lab? They seem to be taking a proper, methodical approach to space.

I'm skeptical of the upcoming SpaceX IPO. I'm sure it'll be overpriced, and likely overvalued, but I want to know more about the numbers. How much cash have they been burning for Starship? Is the IPO there because they're running low on cash, despite Starlink revenue?
The ipo has something to do about ai. And beating out Openai andsomeone else.