ICE To EV. 2019 Tundra to 2023 F150 Lightning Lariat.

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N Wilson

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I finally got my first EV on Saturday. There is a dealer in NH called Greenwave Electric Vehicles that sells used EVs and PHEVs. Greenwave is unlike any car dealership I have ever experienced in that they are a values driven company that actually has the customer's best interest in mind, not just making a profit. It's how I imagine Scout's experience centers will be when they launch.

They had the Lightning available and were able to give me an appraisal on my Tundra from detailed pictures I took and sent to them. Greenwave is about 3 hours away from me in North Hampton, NH so I wasn't able to just run down the street and have them look at my trade.

My 2 older daughters came along on the roadtrip to pick it up. The appointment at the dealer was at 4:30 so we left early enough to get up there in time to go to the beach first for a couple hours.
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We picked up the truck and made good time on the way home, maybe a little too good. This truck is seriously fun to drive. I was putting my foot into it and trying out the acceleration with every highway merge, and may have had to smoke a guy in a diesel who wanted to try his luck.

All the way home, my kids were giddy and kept saying some version of "this truck is so awesome" and "I'm so glad you got this truck" over and over. The Lariat trim level has some nice features like heated leather seats in the back, as well as the heated and cooled front seats.

After the ~160 mile trip home in giddy newbie mode (as mentioned previously) the truck was showing 78 miles of range remaining and averaged a dismal 1.9 miles/kWh on the trip home. My fault entirely, but totally worth it. Did I mention this truck is fun to drive?

I plugged in the level 1 charger they gave me with the truck at around 10:30 that night when we got home. This morning I took a drive over to my mother's house. The truck was showing 106 miles of range when I left my house. To my surprise, I had 112 miles when I got to my mother's house. It shouldn't have been a surprise since I was actually trying to be efficient with my driving this time and it's mostly downhill.

I love one pedal driving in the Lightning! It can be kinda herky jerky in some vehicles, but in the Lightning it's just right. I thought there was going to be a longer learning curve, but I pretty much got the hang of it right away.

One feature that was key to my decision is the fact that the truck has the 7.2 kW 240V outlet that I can use to power my house with a manual transfer switch during power outages. I already called my electrician and he's going to come over in a week or so and install the MTS and a level 2 charger. I'm thinking of getting the Emporia Pro. EV veterans, what do you think? Should I get the NACS version and an adapter to J1772 for the Lightning, since most manufacturers are switching to NACS including Scout, so it's likely my next vehicle will have native NACS? If yes, what adapter do you recommend, or should I just watch some State of Charge videos and see which one Tom recommends?

My old Tundra:
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The new to me Lightning:
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Congrats again. Any complaints from your daughter saying they were car sick while you were getting used to driving your truck? I see articles that say it’s easier to get car sick in an EV. Looking forward to hearing your continued experience?
No issues with that, but I forgot to mention that I didn't use one pedal driving on the way home because it's highway driving and I didn't want to have any issues with trying to learn in heavy traffic on the highway. Thinking about it more, that probably contributed to my not great efficiency for the trip home.

I turned one pedal driving on this morning on the way to my mother's house. It was just me in the truck for that ride. I did take my mom and sister for a ride and neither of them complained of being carsick.
 
Congrats! What a fun trip!

Charger:
You’re going to use an adapter regardless of whichever L2 charger connection you get. I, personally, would get the J1772 plug because that’s the vehicle you have right now. If you get a vehicle with a NACS port, you can make a choice at that point. But there’s no real reason to use the adapter at home unless you need to.

The Emporia Pro is a good EVSE. I haven’t been able to get mine to properly limit my truck’s charging to excess solar, but I think that’s partly because I’m not willing to shut off the system to program things the way they suggest.

Adapters I recommend:
DCFC adapter for the truck to charge at NACS chargers (brand-T Superchargers, for example): A2ZEV Typhoon Pro
AC Adapter for charging at hotels with brand-T “destination chargers”: A2ZEV Stellar Pro

I don’t get any commission from A2ZEV. I’ve just been incredibly impressed with their honesty, craftsmanship, and willingness to work with their customers. I loaned an adapter to a friend and they dropped it; a cast aluminum clip broke. I asked A2ZEV if they would send me the part I needed to fix it. They agreed. So instead of tossing the adapter and getting a new one, I just had to toss a tiny part and replace it.

One Pedal Driving:
For someone skilled at driving 1PD-on vs 1PD-off, there won’t be any difference in efficiency. You have to approach stopping/slowing differently, but once you figure that out, you’ll get similar efficiency.

Suggestion (worth what you paid for it):
I like to run my Lighting tires with 48 PSI instead of the recommended 36 PSI. It just feels more planted and stable. I don’t lose any comfort. And I gain in efficiency.
 
No issues with that, but I forgot to mention that I didn't use one pedal driving on the way home because it's highway driving and I didn't want to have any issues with trying to learn in heavy traffic on the highway. Thinking about it more, that probably contributed to my not great efficiency for the trip home.

I turned one pedal driving on this morning on the way to my mother's house. It was just me in the truck for that ride. I did take my mom and sister for a ride and neither of them complained of being carsick.
Good to hear that
 
Congrats! What a fun trip!

Charger:
You’re going to use an adapter regardless of whichever L2 charger connection you get. I, personally, would get the J1772 plug because that’s the vehicle you have right now. If you get a vehicle with a NACS port, you can make a choice at that point. But there’s no real reason to use the adapter at home unless you need to.

The Emporia Pro is a good EVSE. I haven’t been able to get mine to properly limit my truck’s charging to excess solar, but I think that’s partly because I’m not willing to shut off the system to program things the way they suggest.

Adapters I recommend:
DCFC adapter for the truck to charge at NACS chargers (brand-T Superchargers, for example): A2ZEV Typhoon Pro
AC Adapter for charging at hotels with brand-T “destination chargers”: A2ZEV Stellar Pro

I don’t get any commission from A2ZEV. I’ve just been incredibly impressed with their honesty, craftsmanship, and willingness to work with their customers. I loaned an adapter to a friend and they dropped it; a cast aluminum clip broke. I asked A2ZEV if they would send me the part I needed to fix it. They agreed. So instead of tossing the adapter and getting a new one, I just had to toss a tiny part and replace it.

One Pedal Driving:
For someone skilled at driving 1PD-on vs 1PD-off, there won’t be any difference in efficiency. You have to approach stopping/slowing differently, but once you figure that out, you’ll get similar efficiency.

Suggestion (worth what you paid for it):
I like to run my Lighting tires with 48 PSI instead of the recommended 36 PSI. It just feels more planted and stable. I don’t lose any comfort. And I gain in efficiency.
Thanks for all the great advice!

I remembered seeing one of your posts in another thread about the tire pressure, so I went out and checked them today. They were all around 35 PSI. The door tag recommends 42 PSI. I brought them all up to 45 PSI.

Do you think there will be a big difference between 45 and 48 PSI?
 
Thanks for all the great advice!

I remembered seeing one of your posts in another thread about the tire pressure, so I went out and checked them today. They were all around 35 PSI. The door tag recommends 42 PSI. I brought them all up to 45 PSI.

Do you think there will be a big difference between 45 and 48 PSI?
I just noticed you have the Goodyears. They have a higher pressure recommendation than the Hankooks I have. I’m sure 45 PSI will be fine.
 
Some thoughts so far after 3 days or so of having the Lightning:

Its, quiet, fast, smooth, and a technological marvel. I'm sure there are other more advanced vehicles out there, but for someone coming from a 2019 Tundra, this thing is amazing.

I'm still blown away at how I can leave my house and end up with more range when I get to my destination than when I started. These would be mostly downhill trips, but there is no world in which you can drive an ICE vehicle and have more gas in your tank when you get to your destination than when you left home. I understand that the return trip back up the hill reduces your range, but it's just a newbie observation that amazes me.

Charging: I only have a level 1 charger at my house right now, but I will be getting a level 2 soon. in the meantime, my office has level 2 chargers that I can plug into when I'm at work and they are free to use, so between that and charging at home where I have solar that overproduces what we use in the house, my charging costs will be very low.

Speaking of chargers, I went on Emporia's website the other day to look at the Pro charger, and I noticed they now show a bi-directional charger that says "Coming Soon".

I emailed them and asked what the target release date is for that charger and their AI agent replied and said late 2026 or early 2027.
So, now I'm wondering if I should wait for the bi-directional charger and just get a cheap level 2 charger for now and not have my electrician install a manual transfer switch as I had planned to do. Why spend the money for something that will be obsolete and only give me partial backup capability with manual hookup and switching, when the bi-directional charger will give me more robust capability and automatic switching?

I'll update with more thoughts after I have more time with the truck, but so far the transition from ICE to EV couldn't be smoother.

I am planning on a ~180 mile road trip this weekend, so I'll update and share that experience afterward. ABRP says I shoukd be able to do it without any charging stops and have 24 miles left afterward, but I'm skeptical of that. I expect to have to make 1 stop. There is an EA 350 kW charger close to my destination, so it should be easy to charge there if I need to.
 
Some thoughts so far after 3 days or so of having the Lightning:

Its, quiet, fast, smooth, and a technological marvel. I'm sure there are other more advanced vehicles out there, but for someone coming from a 2019 Tundra, this thing is amazing.

I'm still blown away at how I can leave my house and end up with more range when I get to my destination than when I started. These would be mostly downhill trips, but there is no world in which you can drive an ICE vehicle and have more gas in your tank when you get to your destination than when you left home. I understand that the return trip back up the hill reduces your range, but it's just a newbie observation that amazes me.

Charging: I only have a level 1 charger at my house right now, but I will be getting a level 2 soon. in the meantime, my office has level 2 chargers that I can plug into when I'm at work and they are free to use, so between that and charging at home where I have solar that overproduces what we use in the house, my charging costs will be very low.

Speaking of chargers, I went on Emporia's website the other day to look at the Pro charger, and I noticed they now show a bi-directional charger that says "Coming Soon".

I emailed them and asked what the target release date is for that charger and their AI agent replied and said late 2026 or early 2027.
So, now I'm wondering if I should wait for the bi-directional charger and just get a cheap level 2 charger for now and not have my electrician install a manual transfer switch as I had planned to do. Why spend the money for something that will be obsolete and only give me partial backup capability with manual hookup and switching, when the bi-directional charger will give me more robust capability and automatic switching?

I'll update with more thoughts after I have more time with the truck, but so far the transition from ICE to EV couldn't be smoother.

I am planning on a ~180 mile road trip this weekend, so I'll update and share that experience afterward. ABRP says I shoukd be able to do it without any charging stops and have 24 miles left afterward, but I'm skeptical of that. I expect to have to make 1 stop. There is an EA 350 kW charger close to my destination, so it should be easy to charge there if I need to.
This is very helpful! I’m planning on the BEV and coming from a 2013 I’m a little worried it will be like jumping into a whole new world I don’t understand.
 
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Some thoughts so far after 3 days or so of having the Lightning:

Its, quiet, fast, smooth, and a technological marvel. I'm sure there are other more advanced vehicles out there, but for someone coming from a 2019 Tundra, this thing is amazing.

I'm still blown away at how I can leave my house and end up with more range when I get to my destination than when I started. These would be mostly downhill trips, but there is no world in which you can drive an ICE vehicle and have more gas in your tank when you get to your destination than when you left home. I understand that the return trip back up the hill reduces your range, but it's just a newbie observation that amazes me.

Charging: I only have a level 1 charger at my house right now, but I will be getting a level 2 soon. in the meantime, my office has level 2 chargers that I can plug into when I'm at work and they are free to use, so between that and charging at home where I have solar that overproduces what we use in the house, my charging costs will be very low.

Speaking of chargers, I went on Emporia's website the other day to look at the Pro charger, and I noticed they now show a bi-directional charger that says "Coming Soon".

I emailed them and asked what the target release date is for that charger and their AI agent replied and said late 2026 or early 2027.
So, now I'm wondering if I should wait for the bi-directional charger and just get a cheap level 2 charger for now and not have my electrician install a manual transfer switch as I had planned to do. Why spend the money for something that will be obsolete and only give me partial backup capability with manual hookup and switching, when the bi-directional charger will give me more robust capability and automatic switching?

I'll update with more thoughts after I have more time with the truck, but so far the transition from ICE to EV couldn't be smoother.

I once thought I would install a bidirectional charger and the associated hardware. I eventually realized it’s just not worth the cost or hassle for my use-case. If you really need 40A or more, then it might make sense, but if you can run your system on 30A, 240V, then the Lightning will easily handle that with the bed outlet and a manual transfer switch. Note that the standards for bidirectional charging are still fresh (I’m not sure if they’ve been ratified), so a lot of EVSE manufacturers as well as EV manufacturers have been doing things their own way. The Lightning’s bidirectional charging has been disappointing to some of the people who paid for it. Personally, I’d let someone else be the alpha tester.

I am planning on a ~180 mile road trip this weekend, so I'll update and share that experience afterward. ABRP says I shoukd be able to do it without any charging stops and have 24 miles left afterward, but I'm skeptical of that. I expect to have to make 1 stop. There is an EA 350 kW charger close to my destination, so it should be easy to charge there if I need to.
Is this 180 miles one-way or round-trip? If the latter, you have the ER and should easily make that. ABRP is being incredibly conservative. I probably wouldn’t even bother to charge to 100% at home for a 180 mile round trip. But IMO you might as well use this as an opportunity to get some experience at a DCFC.
 
Have you considered Ford Charge Station Pro?
To enable bidirectional charging, they’ll also need to get the full Home Integration System installed by SunRun (or maybe someone else by now?). It’ll add about $5k to $10k to the cost. This is part of the issue with bidirectional chargers of today. There’s a lot of extra hardware required to connect them to a grid-tied home.
 
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Some thoughts so far after 3 days or so of having the Lightning:

Its, quiet, fast, smooth, and a technological marvel. I'm sure there are other more advanced vehicles out there, but for someone coming from a 2019 Tundra, this thing is amazing.

I'm still blown away at how I can leave my house and end up with more range when I get to my destination than when I started. These would be mostly downhill trips, but there is no world in which you can drive an ICE vehicle and have more gas in your tank when you get to your destination than when you left home. I understand that the return trip back up the hill reduces your range, but it's just a newbie observation that amazes me.

Charging: I only have a level 1 charger at my house right now, but I will be getting a level 2 soon. in the meantime, my office has level 2 chargers that I can plug into when I'm at work and they are free to use, so between that and charging at home where I have solar that overproduces what we use in the house, my charging costs will be very low.

Speaking of chargers, I went on Emporia's website the other day to look at the Pro charger, and I noticed they now show a bi-directional charger that says "Coming Soon".

I emailed them and asked what the target release date is for that charger and their AI agent replied and said late 2026 or early 2027.
So, now I'm wondering if I should wait for the bi-directional charger and just get a cheap level 2 charger for now and not have my electrician install a manual transfer switch as I had planned to do. Why spend the money for something that will be obsolete and only give me partial backup capability with manual hookup and switching, when the bi-directional charger will give me more robust capability and automatic switching?

I'll update with more thoughts after I have more time with the truck, but so far the transition from ICE to EV couldn't be smoother.

I am planning on a ~180 mile road trip this weekend, so I'll update and share that experience afterward. ABRP says I shoukd be able to do it without any charging stops and have 24 miles left afterward, but I'm skeptical of that. I expect to have to make 1 stop. There is an EA 350 kW charger close to my destination, so it should be easy to charge there if I need to.
I look forward to your weekend after action report to see how close you come to that 24 miles remaining. :)
 
To enable bidirectional charging, they’ll also need to get the full Home Integration System installed by SunRun (or maybe someone else by now?). It’ll add about $5k to $10k to the cost. This is part of the issue with bidirectional chargers of today. There’s a lot of extra hardware required to connect them to a grid-tied home.
Exactly.

Knowing all that, I have zero interest in going that route and paying all that extra money to have Sunrun install the Ford Home Integration System.

I guess I should expect the Emporia bi-directional charger to cost several thousand dollars when it comes out in a year or two. I was looking at the Wallbox Quasar 2 bi-directional charger (which is also not available yet) and I thought I read somewhere that it is projected to cost around $6,000. So, yeah, I guess the question is whether it's worth all that extra money. It will cost something to have my electrician install a MTS and wire it, but probably not anywhere close to that much.