Longer Range battery option

[hardieib]

I would love to have a pure EV option that would hit the 500-600 mile range mark as an optional upgrade. For me that would be the tipping point between pure EV and the Harvester option.

 

[J Alynn]

I would love to have a pure EV option that would hit the 500-600 mile range mark as an optional upgrade. For me that would be the tipping point between pure EV and the Harvester option.

The issue is physical capacity and weight. Until battery chemistry reaches next level this just doesn’t make sense for the cost, weight and space. The weight added offsets the gained mileage range so you end up spending a lot more money with very little/marginal gain.

 

[R1TVT]

Agreed (+ cost $$$ + longer charge times + being unnecessary) considering American driving habits & usage as a daily driver for many.

Also - 350 miles of pure-EV range will be super impressive for this beast.

 

[Chaz26]

Yeah, I would guess to get close to a 600 mile range EV for these kind of trucks, you'd be needing around a 270kW battery pack which would be very heavy and very expensive if it would even fit. I think the 350 mile range should be enough for most people day to day and with a fast charging curve it shouldn't matter too much for the occasional road trip. If that kind of mileage is more frequent, then that would be an ideal use case for the Harvester option.

 

[Murraypetera]

I would happily pay more for more range.

Using the same battery as the pure EV paired with the generator would also be a nice option.

150 miles range with the harvester battery is just sad. Give me a solid 350+ at 75mph EV only and a full load in the car. Bonus would be the harvester on top of that.

 

[J Alynn]

I would happily pay more for more range.

Using the same battery as the pure EV paired with the generator would also be a nice option.

150 miles range with the harvester battery is just sad. Give me a solid 350+ at 75mph EV only and a full load in the car. Bonus would be the harvester on top of that.

Out of curiosity-how much more would you pay assuming (for now) that we could guess average Scout sale will likely be $68K and harvester say $3K more. Just curious

 

[Murraypetera]

Out of curiosity-how much more would you pay assuming (for now) that we could guess average Scout sale will likely be $68K and harvester say $3K more. Just curious

Good question

Having purchased a 2013 Model S 60, my biggest regret is the battery option I picked. 240k miles later the car has 160 miles at 90% charge but charges really slow now.

Larger battery = longer battery life

I would love if it would be $3k but realistically I don’t think it would be offered for under $10k but car companies like to make money.

Realistically I think it would be and I would take…

Give me a SOLID 500 miles EV only 15k
Give me the solid 350 miles EV only + range extender $15k

I keep cars a long time and the cost to replace the battery is 3x more than the value of the car.

 

[J Alynn]

Good question

Having purchased a 2013 Model S 60, my biggest regret is the battery option I picked. 240k miles later the car has 160 miles at 90% charge but charges really slow now.

Larger battery = longer battery life

I would love if it would be $3k but realistically I don’t think it would be offered for under $10k but car companies like to make money.

Realistically I think it would be and I would take…

Give me a SOLID 500 miles EV only 15k
Give me the solid 350 miles EV only + range extender $15k

I keep cars a long time and the cost to replace the battery is 3x more than the value of the car.

Well I commend you for having realistic expectations as I would think $10K-$18K so right in there with your thinking. The issue I see with that even 5-8 years from now means a nicely loaded Scouts would be $85-$90k which would eliminate so many buyers it probably wouldn’t have a high enough take rate.

 

[Murraypetera]

5-8 years from now $3k for the battery is realistic with the pace of battery development.
Battery options are about the easiest for a car company. Just put a different pack in.

All can be built on the same assembly line, just swap in higher density cells or more of them.

 

[J Alynn]

5-8 years from now $3k for the battery is realistic with the pace of battery development.
Battery options are about the easiest for a car company. Just put a different pack in.

All can be built on the same assembly line, just swap in higher density cells or more of them.

True but no way in 3 years solid state will only be $3K. It’s the next premium hurdle and first few years will be a significant premium. I’m still gonna confidently say it will be gen 2 scouts before there is even a chance of solid state. Maybe another improved chemistry at mid model updates but no chance it will be solid state. One thing nobody talks about is a change like that with full battery change would significantly de-value current scout holder if it only occurred a few years in. Would be a slap in the face in a way. I realize vehicles evolve but that is huge so that’s why I’d say gen 2 if even remotely a chance of mass production at scale of solid states happening in the next 5 years or so

 

[Time2Roll]

Rivian max is $6,000 and rated up to 81 extra miles. Although most reports seem to fall a bit short on miles.
I would pay this as long as it did not take up ground clearance or cargo space.

 

[J Alynn]

Rivian max is $6,000 and rated up to 81 extra miles. Although most reports seem to fall a bit short on miles.
I would pay this as long as it did not take up ground clearance or cargo space.

So in theory to get to 500 on EV is another 150 miles so probably $12K. I figure a resto scout II these days runs around $65-$100K and with a 19 gallon tank gets roughly 198 miles range on a tank so a new Scout for $75K, all the safety, comfort creatures, LACK OF RUST, no fuel burning and nearly double the range I’d say the new BEV Scouts are a HUGE improvement over the last gen that is fully resto’d.

 

[R1TVT]

Rivian max is $6,000 and rated up to 81 extra miles. Although most reports seem to fall a bit short on miles.
I would pay this as long as it did not take up ground clearance or cargo space.

What "reports" are you referring to? And $3K is not happening for a MAX PACK battery by the start of production. Battery planning for production has already started, so it will take time to get through engineering, testing, QA, safety, pre-production and launch from here given timelines. Not to mention the possibility of tariffs should battery packs come from Canada.

Rivian has done really incredibly well with range estimates in real-world testing that I have personally done on my truck under normal weather & driving conditions.

 

[dreamweaver]

5-8 years from now $3k for the battery is realistic with the pace of battery development.
Battery options are about the easiest for a car company. Just put a different pack in.

All can be built on the same assembly line, just swap in higher density cells or more of them.

Scout. “People. Connections. Community. Authenticity." Welcome to the Scout community. Enjoy the ride.

 

[strider]

5-8 years from now $3k for the battery is realistic with the pace of battery development.
Battery options are about the easiest for a car company. Just put a different pack in.

All can be built on the same assembly line, just swap in higher density cells or more of them.

While costs are improving at a pretty steady pace, density is not following. The reason that the CyberTruck missed its range estimates by a country mile was that the density improvements did not arrive. Tesla delayed it as long as they felt that they could and then shipped a crippled version.

It's not as simple as jamming more cells into the vehicle. Increases in weight require increases in cooling, brakes, frame strength, etc, etc.

If you want max range now, get a Lucid.

 

[dreamweaver]

While costs are improving at a pretty steady pace, density is not following. The reason that the CyberTruck missed its range estimates by a country mile was that the density improvements did not arrive. Tesla delayed it as long as they felt that they could and then shipped a crippled version.

It's not as simple as jamming more cells into the vehicle. Increases in weight require increases in cooling, brakes, frame strength, etc, etc.

If you want max range now, get a Lucid.

Let's see. Lucid 480 miles of range @ $118k or 512 miles of range @ $120k. That is some good range. But,Yikes.

 

[J Alynn]

Let's see. Lucid 480 miles of range @ $118k or 512 miles of range @ $120k. That is some good range. But,Yikes.

Exactly. Many of us are making $60K work with add ons and now it would be double that price. I’ll keep the extra $60K and have nicer meals every time I stop to charge on road trips which is like 60 years and I do t plan living past 100-or 90 for that matter. Just isn’t worth the added cost for the bits of downtime you experience when traveling

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The following is based on the NMC batteries; LFP hasn’t been in trucks in enough different configurations to do this kind of analysis. And Scout isn’t likely to use LFP for their BEV.


Before the 2025 package/options changes, the Ford Lightning Extended Range battery was $10k more than the Standard range.
Standard range useable energy was 98 kWh, range was 240 miles.
Extended range useable energy was 131 kWh, range was 320 miles.

That’s $10k for 33 kWh, $10k for a 34% increase in battery capacity (and 33.3% range increase). That’s $303/1% increase in capacity, $294/1% range increase.

Long distance range is not impacted by weight very much, so for this purpose, we can ignore the extra weight.

To go from 350 miles range to 500 miles range, you need to add 150 miles = 43% range increase, which can be assumed to be a 43% battery energy increase.

Assuming the same $/%, A Scout with 500 miles range would experience a $12,642 price increase.

Rivian is much less straightforward because they don’t do a traditional build where you select the packages you want, so finding comparable vehicles with just a larger battery pack is difficult.

Rivian R1T with standard range battery and dual motors costs between $70k and $76k for 258-270 miles range.
Rivian R1T with Large pack battery and dual motors costs between $78k and $82k.
Rivian R1T with Max pack battery and dual motors costs between $86k and $92k for 370 to 420

Comparing low-end: $70k (258 miles), $79k (329 miles), $86k (420 miles)
Standard to Large: A 13% ($9k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $321/1%
Large to Max: An 8% ($7k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $250/1%

Comparing high-end: $76k (270 miles), $82k (329 miles), $92 (420 miles):
Standard to Large: An 8% ($6k) increase in cost gives a 22% increase in range: $272/1%
Large to Max: A 12% ($10k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $357/1%.

If you’re looking at the Scout which is likely to have a stronger similarity to Rivian battery capability costs, you’re probably talking between $320-$357/1% range improvement.

That’s $12,700 to $15,400 increase in cost to bump the Scout BEV from 350 miles to 500 miles.

 

[cyure]

The following is based on the NMC batteries; LFP hasn’t been in trucks in enough different configurations to do this kind of analysis. And Scout isn’t likely to use LFP for their BEV.


Before the 2025 package/options changes, the Ford Lightning Extended Range battery was $10k more than the Standard range.
Standard range useable energy was 98 kWh, range was 240 miles.
Extended range useable energy was 131 kWh, range was 320 miles.

That’s $10k for 33 kWh, $10k for a 34% increase in battery capacity (and 33.3% range increase). That’s $303/1% increase in capacity, $294/1% range increase.

Long distance range is not impacted by weight very much, so for this purpose, we can ignore the extra weight.

To go from 350 miles range to 500 miles range, you need to add 150 miles = 43% range increase, which can be assumed to be a 43% battery energy increase.

Assuming the same $/%, A Scout with 500 miles range would experience a $12642 price increase.

Rivian is much less straightforward because they don’t do a traditional build where you select the packages you want, so finding comparable vehicles with just a larger battery pack is difficult.

Rivian R1T with standard range battery and dual motors costs between $70k and $76k for 258-270 miles range.
Rivian R1T with Large pack battery and dual motors costs between $78k and $82k.
Rivian R1T with Max pack battery and dual motors costs between $86k and $92k for 370 to 420

Comparing low-end: $70k (258 miles), $79k (329 miles), $86k (420 miles)
Standard to Large: A 13% ($9k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $321/1%
Large to Max: An 8% ($7k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $250/1%

Comparing high-end: $76k (270 miles), $82k (329 miles), $92 (420 miles):
Standard to Large: An 8% ($6k) increase in cost gives a 22% increase in range: $272/1%
Large to Max: A 12% ($10k) increase in cost gives a 28% increase in range: $357/1%.

If you’re looking at the Scout which is likely to have a stronger similarity to Rivian battery capability costs, you’re probably talking between $320-$357/1% range improvement.

That’s $13,800 to $15,400 increase in cost to bump the Scout BEV from 350 miles to 500 miles.

I always appreciate your math.

 

[dreamweaver]

I always appreciate your math.

So that's an average of $97/mile of range 350-500.