Approximate Charge Time

[DBHowe]

This question could be a mistake. I know there are a lot of variables. But based on what we know (and our best guesses) about the battery in the new Scouts, what might be a typical amount of time required to charge back up to 80% from 30%?

I'm not looking for anything exact and I know that the type of charging station, number of people charging at the time, and a whole host of other factors makes this impossible to answer with any degree of accuracy.

What I am looking for is a general range. Not being an "EV guy" I don't know if going from 30% charge to 80% in a "typical" situation would take 15 minutes or 45 minutes once the vehicle is plugged in.

Thanks.

 

[LastDayScout]

This question could be a mistake. I know there are a lot of variables. But based on what we know (and our best guesses) about the battery in the new Scouts, what might be a typical amount of time required to charge back up to 80% from 30%?

I'm not looking for anything exact and I know that the type of charging station, number of people charging at the time, and a whole host of other factors makes this impossible to answer with any degree of accuracy.

What I am looking for is a general range. Not being an "EV guy" I don't know if going from 30% charge to 80% in a "typical" situation would take 15 minutes or 45 minutes once the vehicle is plugged in.

Thanks.

My current EV BMW iX has 400v architecture.
BMW iX can charge at up to 195 kW DC, charging times for the BMW iX:

Level 1 (120 V): Adds about four miles of range per hour of charging
Level 2 (240 V): Adds about 30 miles of range per hour of charging
Level 3 (DC Fast Charging): Adds about 90 miles of range per 10 minutes of charging

The new Scout will be 800v and here are some current vehicles with 800v architecture.
Audi E-Tron GT
DC fast-charging time: 5-80% in 22.4 minutes
Peak power: 270 kw

GMC Hummer EV
DC fast-charging time: 100 miles in 10 minutes, or 10-80% in less than an hour
Peak power: 350 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 5
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Kia EV6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

 

[DBHowe]

My current EV BMW iX has 400v architecture.
BMW iX can charge at up to 195 kW DC, charging times for the BMW iX:

Level 1 (120 V): Adds about four miles of range per hour of charging
Level 2 (240 V): Adds about 30 miles of range per hour of charging
Level 3 (DC Fast Charging): Adds about 90 miles of range per 10 minutes of charging

The new Scout will be 800v and here are some current vehicles with 800v architecture.
Audi E-Tron GT
DC fast-charging time: 5-80% in 22.4 minutes
Peak power: 270 kw

GMC Hummer EV
DC fast-charging time: 100 miles in 10 minutes, or 10-80% in less than an hour
Peak power: 350 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 5
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Kia EV6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Thank you! This helps a lot!

 

[LastDayScout]

Thank you! This helps a lot!

Glad to help. Since we do not know the battery pack size, or really anything about the battery yet, it's hard to make a good comparison. But, I would say somewhere between the Audi/Porsche and the Hummer is as good a guess as any at this point.

 

[DBHowe]

Glad to help. Since we do not know the battery pack size, or really anything about the battery yet, it's hard to make a good comparison. But, I would say somewhere between the Audi/Porsche and the Hummer is as good a guess as any at this point.

Great. Thanks again!

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

My current EV BMW iX has 400v architecture.
BMW iX can charge at up to 195 kW DC, charging times for the BMW iX:

Level 1 (120 V): Adds about four miles of range per hour of charging
Level 2 (240 V): Adds about 30 miles of range per hour of charging
Level 3 (DC Fast Charging): Adds about 90 miles of range per 10 minutes of charging

The new Scout will be 800v and here are some current vehicles with 800v architecture.
Audi E-Tron GT
DC fast-charging time: 5-80% in 22.4 minutes
Peak power: 270 kw

GMC Hummer EV
DC fast-charging time: 100 miles in 10 minutes, or 10-80% in less than an hour
Peak power: 350 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 5
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Kia EV6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Very helpful, thank you! Technology and charge times are definitely improving. It’ll be very interesting to see how things change between now and launch…and where Scouts will land.

 

[DBHowe]

Very helpful, thank you! Technology and charge times are definitely improving. It’ll be very interesting to see how things change between now and launch…and where Scouts will land.

Where Scouts land is on all fours! *grin*

 

[J Alynn]

My current EV BMW iX has 400v architecture.
BMW iX can charge at up to 195 kW DC, charging times for the BMW iX:

Level 1 (120 V): Adds about four miles of range per hour of charging
Level 2 (240 V): Adds about 30 miles of range per hour of charging
Level 3 (DC Fast Charging): Adds about 90 miles of range per 10 minutes of charging

The new Scout will be 800v and here are some current vehicles with 800v architecture.
Audi E-Tron GT
DC fast-charging time: 5-80% in 22.4 minutes
Peak power: 270 kw

GMC Hummer EV
DC fast-charging time: 100 miles in 10 minutes, or 10-80% in less than an hour
Peak power: 350 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 5
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Hyundai Ioniq 6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

Kia EV6
DC fast-charging time: 10-80% in 18 minutes
Peak power: 235 kw

A-this was REALLY helpful and appreciate you pulling it together.
Knowing Scouts should be approximately 20minutes I’m not sure why people are so worried about down time (assuming perfect conditions for both). Any given time I stop at the gas station I’m there probably 8-12 minutes so not sure why that extra bit of time seems to be such an impregnable force.
This was really helpful!!!️

 

[J Alynn]

Where Scouts land is on all fours! *grin*

Well they always return !!!!

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

A-this was REALLY helpful and appreciate you pulling it together.
Knowing Scouts should be approximately 20minutes I’m not sure why people are so worried about down time (assuming perfect conditions for both). Any given time I stop at the gas station I’m there probably 8-12 minutes so not sure why that extra bit of time seems to be such an impregnable force.
This was really helpful!!!️

I hear what you’re saying and I agree, but I think there are a lot of folks guessing it will be a lot closer to 40 minutes for a full charge rather than 20 minutes. Too many variables at this point to know though. Depending how the Harvester ends up functioning and whether or not “gas and go” is a thing with it, then adding multiple 40 minute charge stops in a day would be a significant problem for those of us that go on full-day drives pretty often. My gas stops are usually around 5 minutes.

 

[LastDayScout]

I hear what you’re saying and I agree, but I think there are a lot of folks guessing it will be a lot closer to 40 minutes for a full charge rather than 20 minutes. Too many variables at this point to know though. Depending how the Harvester ends up functioning and whether or not “gas and go” is a thing with it, then adding multiple 40 minute charge stops in a day would be a significant problem for those of us that go on full-day drives pretty often. My gas stops are usually around 5 minutes.

Personal experience...yes, your times will vary. Just because a charger says it can charge at a specified rate does not mean that it will. Lots of factors contribute to varying performance like temperature. That situation is improving however. Also, you will find some under educated EV drivers parked at stations that are more capable than their vehicle can accept. This will also increase your downtime. But keep in mind that it is likely Scout will be able to access Tesla superchargers. They are plentiful, fast and mostly reliable. I will take every opportunity to say that VW owned Electrify America sucks. Often out of order and when they do work they underperform. Hopefully they hear my pleas and improve that network for their own sake as well as Scout's.

 

[LastDayScout]

I should have also said (and I have before) that EV stops are not always like gas stops. You often only fast charge enough to continue your defined route and go on your way instead of fully filling a gas tank. Many fast charge stops are only a few minutes to keep you going to the next charge or destination.

 

[DBHowe]

I should have also said (and I have before) that EV stops are not always like gas stops. You often only fast charge enough to continue your defined route and go on your way instead of fully filling a gas tank. Many fast charge stops are only a few minutes to keep you going to the next charge or destination.

Yeah. See that's the thing I need to keep in mind. I think of getting a full tank of diesel. But it would not bother me to stop every couple of hours for 15 minutes if that was a thing. Good to get out and stretch. I just don't want to sit for 30 minutes every three hours or so.

 

[LastDayScout]

Yeah. See that's the thing I need to keep in mind. I think of getting a full tank of diesel. But it would not bother me to stop every couple of hours for 15 minutes if that was a thing. Good to get out and stretch. I just don't want to sit for 30 minutes every three hours or so.

I recommend playing around with the Tesla, ABRP or PlugShare apps. Put in a route that you are familiar with and know basically how long it will take with fuel stops. Then see where the chargers are and what the app estimates your time is and how long the stops are. Of course, your times will vary with weather and traffic just like with ICE. I know on plug share you can see what amenities are around the stations.

 

[DBHowe]

I recommend playing around with the Tesla, ABRP or PlugShare apps. Put in a route that you are familiar with and know basically how long it will take with fuel stops. Then see where the chargers are and what the app estimates your time is and how long the stops are. Of course, your times will vary with weather and traffic just like with ICE. I know on plug share you can see what amenities are around the stations.

Great suggestion! I didn't know about these apps. Thanks!

 

[J Alynn]

I should have also said (and I have before) that EV stops are not always like gas stops. You often only fast charge enough to continue your defined route and go on your way instead of fully filling a gas tank. Many fast charge stops are only a few minutes to keep you going to the next charge or destination.

I’ve joked before but in all seriousness. If VW came into all Elect America stations and built a raised, off road boulder slope-enough to prevent everything except Scouts and Rivians and the new E-wranglers that would make the SM experience more like unique and keep a lot of folks off that charger so that EV off-road capable vehicles would be the only ones capable of accessing. And also put a flag on top like Everest. Then Scout app could tag all of those off road fill stations you visit. Would definitely make for a cool recharge experience

 

[Logan]

So, charging times are decided by a few factors (I say this, because I've also been researching ).

• Size of the battery
  • Measured in Kilowatt-hours.
• Charging speed that the vehicle can accept
  • Measured in Kilowatts
• Power output of the fast charger you plug into
  • Measured in Kilowatts.

Thats the main bit, plus a huge caveat that I'll get to in a minute. But in theory its pretty simple

• You take the KWh of the battery, and divide it by the KW of the either the charger output you're plugged into, or the charging speed that the vehicle can accept
  • whichever is lower, as that will be the limiting factor even if the other is higher.
• A 150KWh battery, that could charge at 150KW, and was charged at a 150KW charger, would recharge in 1 hour.
  • Because the battery stores 150KWh, and the charging speed is 150KW for a whole hour = 150KWh.
• Another example. If you had a 200KWh battery, and had a peak vehicle charging rate of 50KW, and plugged it into a 350KW charger.
  • Would take 4 hours to charge (200KWh/50KW = 4h).

The giant monkey wrench that is thrown in there, is that the batteries can't take 100% of their max charge rate at all times. As they get closer to being full, the charge rate drops. So the "peak" charging speed is almost never maintained for very long. You can chart out the charge rate, and get get what is called a charging curve.

Here is the F150 Lightnings charging curve. You can see it doesn't stay at its peak for very long.

And here is the Chevy Silverado EV's Charging curve (apparently it avgs 198kw from 10-90%).

Personally, I think we'll see charging times for the harvester model be somewhere in the 10-20min range (similar to ioniq 5).

For the BEV model, I think we'll see a charging time of 30-45min, assuming it matches, or exceeds the avg charging speed of a Silverado EV (which seems to be one of its closest analogs atm).

Can't wait to see though .

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

I’ve joked before but in all seriousness. If VW came into all Elect America stations and built a raised, off road boulder slope-enough to prevent everything except Scouts and Rivians and the new E-wranglers that would make the SM experience more like unique and keep a lot of folks off that charger so that EV off-road capable vehicles would be the only ones capable of accessing. And also put a flag on top like Everest. Then Scout app could tag all of those off road fill stations you visit. Would definitely make for a cool recharge experience

You know it might sound silly on the surface, but I actually like this. Crazy ideas like this can make for such a fun and unique vehicle experience that it would definitely enhance the user experience as well as brand loyalty - both of which are incredibly important, especially with a new brand. I really don’t think this is as outlandish as it might first sound.

 

[pwrofgrayskull]

I’ve joked before but in all seriousness. If VW came into all Elect America stations and built a raised, off road boulder slope-enough to prevent everything except Scouts and Rivians and the new E-wranglers that would make the SM experience more like unique and keep a lot of folks off that charger so that EV off-road capable vehicles would be the only ones capable of accessing. And also put a flag on top like Everest. Then Scout app could tag all of those off road fill stations you visit. Would definitely make for a cool recharge experience

…but with that said, I’m very skeptical of any Electify America stations. They need to do better. So if Scout was to use the EA stations for something like this, they need to seriously step up their game.

 

[Logan]

I’ve joked before but in all seriousness. If VW came into all Elect America stations and built a raised, off road boulder slope-enough to prevent everything except Scouts and Rivians and the new E-wranglers that would make the SM experience more like unique and keep a lot of folks off that charger so that EV off-road capable vehicles would be the only ones capable of accessing. And also put a flag on top like Everest. Then Scout app could tag all of those off road fill stations you visit. Would definitely make for a cool recharge experience

I'd love if they did that, even if just at one or two locations.

I actually was close to designing a restaurant in Moab with parking like this.

I wanted to have an offroad themed restaurant there called the "Leaky Burrito". I was going to have a giant fountain in the front (with the burrito leaking of course), sell burritos by the lb, be decorated with photos of patrons offroad rigs, and I wanted to have a giant jumble of boulders on in the parking lot, with lines painted on them like normal parking spots, and signs that said "Crawler parking only".