Volkswagen EVs to Get Tesla Supercharger Access

[LastDayScout]

Then you buy a ccs adapter and go use rivian or a charge point charger. Everything most of the time has solutions. And plus He’s out by July 4th 2026. Since its a 18 month program.

As long as the adapter works. It’s not like a level 2 adapter. The DC fast charge adapter has to sync with the charger and the vehicle. That’s why I. Ant take my iX to a Tesla supercharger yet.

 

[THil08]

Violence isn’t really good but if people absolutely feel the need I prefer it be the dealership vehicles, a plant, a “house” - anything but the chargers. Chargers help a lot of people and with government pull back on charger infrastructure that’s hurting all EV drivers who can utilize the super chargers

Or better yet they can sit at their homes and be my favorite type of people lol. KEYBOARD WARRIORS! Lol

 

[LastDayScout]

As long as the adapter works. It’s not like a level 2 adapter. The DC fast charge adapter has to sync with the charger and the vehicle. That’s why I. Ant take my iX to a Tesla supercharger yet.

Sorry, I just saw that @R1TVT responded stating the same thing just better than I did.

 

[LastDayScout]

Any idea what the combined value is of all the superchargers? Do they own or lease the spaces? What I’m getting at is gas stations are bought and sold all the time. I wonder if another entity could buy and rebrand all the superchargers???

 

[oldgeeksguide]

Any idea what the combined value is of all the superchargers? Do they own or lease the spaces? What I’m getting at is gas stations are bought and sold all the time. I wonder if another entity could buy and rebrand all the superchargers???

Dunno details, but the way things are designed, it’s all dependent on software, apps, and accounts. Doesn’t have to be that way but that’s the way things are currently designed. So it’s not necessarily so useful to buy the hardware without then having to reproduce/license all the other infrastructure. Imagine if every different gas station brand required you to have a specific app and account with a linked credit card, that’s pretty much the state of charging, esp with Tesla charging. Some other brands allow you to pay with credit card but will typically charge a higher rate if you don’t have an account with them.

 

[LastDayScout]

Dunno details, but the way things are designed, it’s all dependent on software, apps, and accounts. Doesn’t have to be that way but that’s the way things are currently designed. So it’s not necessarily so useful to buy the hardware without then having to reproduce/license all the other infrastructure. Imagine if every different gas station brand required you to have a specific app and account with a linked credit card, that’s pretty much the state of charging, esp with Tesla charging. Some other brands allow you to pay with credit card but will typically charge a higher rate if you don’t have an account with them.

All true and good points. I never thought about buying the licensing. I suppose they could buy the whole kit and caboodle, software and all. Maybe it’s a stretch but when a gas station is bought it’s not just the pumps. If it’s name brand you’re paying those licensing and franchise fees.

I do not like that I have to have apps for different network chargers. I have 5 different charging apps. I want one. I’m sure as this industry matures there will be better options for paying.

 

[dreamweaver]

All true and good points. I never thought about buying the licensing. I suppose they could buy the whole kit and caboodle, software and all. Maybe it’s a stretch but when a gas station is bought it’s not just the pumps. If it’s name brand you’re paying those licensing and franchise fees.

I do not like that I have to have apps for different network chargers. I have 5 different charging apps. I want one. I’m sure as this industry matures there will be better options for paying.

Let's hope so. Five apps. for different network chargers is nuts.

 

[LastDayScout]

Let's hope so. Five apps. for different network chargers is nuts.

I’m sure it’s about data collection as much as anything.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

To clear up some misconceptions:

1. Brand T superchargers Version 2 and older are not compatible with anything other than Brand T. They use different hardware communications and cannot be upgraded without replacing all of the hardware.
2. Brand T superchargers that are Version 3 or higher use CCS1 communications and therefore are compatible with any CCS1 vehicle IF, and only if, there is an agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and the Brand T. Most of these require the vehicle driver to have an adapter.
3. Brand T superchargers with a Magic Dock have the adapter built in and don’t require the vehicle owner to use their own adapter. These still require the agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and Brand T.
4. Scout will have the plug to directly use the Superchargers without an adapter, but it will also require the agreement.
5. Most CCS1 chargers are compatible with most vehicles (older Brand T and some Nissans are not compatible). Brand T and other NACS plug standard vehicles (such as Scout Motors) will need an adapter but they do not need any additional agreements between the vehicle manufacturers and the charging station manufacturers. NACS uses CCS1 communications.
6. The most glaring exception to #5 is the Rivian Adventure Network (RAN), which requires Rivian to open it before other brand vehicles are able to use it. Their rollout has been very slow and as far as I know there is only one RAN charging station open to non-Rivian vehicles. That is the one in Joshua Tree, CA.
7. Level 2 and Destination chargers are outside of the scope of the above. Brand-T destination chargers use the same plug as the superchargers but only operate on AC power, not DC power.
8. If you have a CCS1 vehicle, you also have to have an adapter to use Brand-T destination chargers. The hardware inside of the DCFC adapter is different from the hardware inside of the Level 2 AC adapter. I carry two adapters in each of our EVs.
9. If you have a NACS plug on your vehicle (Scout Motors), then you’ll need an AC adapter to use Level 2 J1772 chargers (they look a lot like CCS1, but are missing the bottom section where the DC pins are).
10. You do not need to wait for an adapter for supercharger access if you have a CCS1 vehicle brand that’s approved to use the brand-T superchargers. There are two high-quality 3rd party adapters for sale. I have one of each: A2ZEV Typhoon Pro and Lectron Vortex. These are better than the brand-T built adapters that Ford was forced to wait months for.

 

[dreamweaver]

To clear up some misconceptions:

1. Brand T superchargers Version 2 and older are not compatible with anything other than Brand T. They use different hardware communications and cannot be upgraded without replacing all of the hardware.
2. Brand T superchargers that are Version 3 or higher use CCS1 communications and therefore are compatible with any CCS1 vehicle IF, and only if, there is an agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and the Brand T. Most of these require the vehicle driver to have an adapter.
3. Brand T superchargers with a Magic Dock have the adapter built in and don’t require the vehicle owner to use their own adapter. These still require the agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and Brand T.
4. Scout will have the plug to directly use the Superchargers without an adapter, but it will also require the agreement.
5. Most CCS1 chargers are compatible with most vehicles (older Brand T and some Nissans are not compatible). Brand T and other NACS plug standard vehicles (such as Scout Motors) will need an adapter but they do not need any additional agreements between the vehicle manufacturers and the charging station manufacturers. NACS uses CCS1 communications.
6. The most glaring exception to #5 is the Rivian Adventure Network (RAN), which requires Rivian to open it before other brand vehicles are able to use it. Their rollout has been very slow and as far as I know there is only one RAN charging station open to non-Rivian vehicles. That is the one in Joshua Tree, CA.
7. Level 2 and Destination chargers are outside of the scope of the above. Brand-T destination chargers use the same plug as the superchargers but only operate on AC power, not DC power.
8. If you have a CCS1 vehicle, you also have to have an adapter to use Brand-T destination chargers. The hardware inside of the DCFC adapter is different from the hardware inside of the Level 2 AC adapter. I carry two adapters in each of our EVs.
9. If you have a NACS plug on your vehicle (Scout Motors), then you’ll need an AC adapter to use Level 2 J1772 chargers (they look a lot like CCS1, but are missing the bottom section where the DC pins are).
10. You do not need to wait for an adapter for supercharger access if you have a CCS1 vehicle brand that’s approved to use the brand-T superchargers. There are two high-quality 3rd party adapters for sale. I have one of each: A2ZEV Typhoon Pro and Lectron Vortex. These are better than the brand-T built adapters that Ford was forced to wait months for.

Thank you for the State of Chargers breakdown. I wonder what the charging landscape will look like by 2027.

 

[R1TVT]

To clear up some misconceptions:

The most glaring exception to #5 is the Rivian Adventure Network (RAN), which requires Rivian to open it before other brand vehicles are able to use it. Their rollout has been very slow and as far as I know there is only one RAN charging station open to non-Rivian vehicles. That is the one in Joshua Tree, CA.

*** Important to note that Rivian launched during a supply chain debacle and pandemic. It would have made zero sense for a business to deploy a broad DCFC charging network BEFORE they launched their trucks - particularly since Rivian trucks could already charge at a large number of pre-existing DCFC locations straight out of the gate (as Scout will). Rivian's priorities were clear on their proprietary network strategy, and it was a slow roll... They have placed RAN chargers more strategically to support adventure travel and some great outdoor destinations (National Parks, National Forests, along routes to ski areas, beaches, etc.).

There is another "exceptional" and noteworthy thing about Rivian RAN chargers:

Drivers are supported by 100% renewable energy matching when they charge at a Rivian Adventure Network site.

Because of Rivian’s selective renewables procurement process, this enables EV drivers to become active participants in the decarbonization of the electrical grid–a critical component in the shift to emissions-free transportation.

Rivian expects to open additional charging locations at sites in Texas, Colorado, Illinois, Montana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New York.

Interesting to see that Rivian is also upgrading existing Gen 1 charger sites (to Gen 1.5) to accept non-Rivian vehciles. These are apparently some of the first sites that will be upgraded and open to all vehicles (including Scouts) and there is one located in SC:

 

[Cranky Canuck]

To clear up some misconceptions:

1. Brand T superchargers Version 2 and older are not compatible with anything other than Brand T. They use different hardware communications and cannot be upgraded without replacing all of the hardware.
2. Brand T superchargers that are Version 3 or higher use CCS1 communications and therefore are compatible with any CCS1 vehicle IF, and only if, there is an agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and the Brand T. Most of these require the vehicle driver to have an adapter.
3. Brand T superchargers with a Magic Dock have the adapter built in and don’t require the vehicle owner to use their own adapter. These still require the agreement between the vehicle manufacturer and Brand T.
4. Scout will have the plug to directly use the Superchargers without an adapter, but it will also require the agreement.
5. Most CCS1 chargers are compatible with most vehicles (older Brand T and some Nissans are not compatible). Brand T and other NACS plug standard vehicles (such as Scout Motors) will need an adapter but they do not need any additional agreements between the vehicle manufacturers and the charging station manufacturers. NACS uses CCS1 communications.
6. The most glaring exception to #5 is the Rivian Adventure Network (RAN), which requires Rivian to open it before other brand vehicles are able to use it. Their rollout has been very slow and as far as I know there is only one RAN charging station open to non-Rivian vehicles. That is the one in Joshua Tree, CA.
7. Level 2 and Destination chargers are outside of the scope of the above. Brand-T destination chargers use the same plug as the superchargers but only operate on AC power, not DC power.
8. If you have a CCS1 vehicle, you also have to have an adapter to use Brand-T destination chargers. The hardware inside of the DCFC adapter is different from the hardware inside of the Level 2 AC adapter. I carry two adapters in each of our EVs.
9. If you have a NACS plug on your vehicle (Scout Motors), then you’ll need an AC adapter to use Level 2 J1772 chargers (they look a lot like CCS1, but are missing the bottom section where the DC pins are).
10. You do not need to wait for an adapter for supercharger access if you have a CCS1 vehicle brand that’s approved to use the brand-T superchargers. There are two high-quality 3rd party adapters for sale. I have one of each: A2ZEV Typhoon Pro and Lectron Vortex. These are better than the brand-T built adapters that Ford was forced to wait months for.

This is excellent info, just one thing I'd like to point out from personal experience is that older "Brand-T" destination chargers are not compatible with CCS1 cars, even if you have the right adapter.

It seems that the older Level 2 EVSE's only 'speak' Tesla and are not J1772 compliant. Unfortunately there's no obvious way to tell if a given Brand-T destination charger is old 'Tesla only' or new J1772 compatible other than attempting to plug in with an adapter and seeing if it actually works.

I leaned that one the hard way lol

Most destination chargers should work though.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

This is excellent info, just one thing I'd like to point out from personal experience is that older "Brand-T" destination chargers are not compatible with CCS1 cars, even if you have the right adapter.

It seems that the older Level 2 EVSE's only 'speak' Tesla and are not J1772 compliant. Unfortunately there's no obvious way to tell if a given Brand-T destination charger is old 'Tesla only' or new J1772 compatible other than attempting to plug in with an adapter and seeing if it actually works.

I leaned that one the hard way lol

Most destination chargers should work though.

Yeah, unfortunately it’s impossible to tell if it’s compatible unless someone on Plugshare has made a note of it or you try and it fails.

 

[J Alynn]

This is excellent info, just one thing I'd like to point out from personal experience is that older "Brand-T" destination chargers are not compatible with CCS1 cars, even if you have the right adapter.

It seems that the older Level 2 EVSE's only 'speak' Tesla and are not J1772 compliant. Unfortunately there's no obvious way to tell if a given Brand-T destination charger is old 'Tesla only' or new J1772 compatible other than attempting to plug in with an adapter and seeing if it actually works.

I leaned that one the hard way lol

Most destination chargers should work though.

Great tip based on experience.