Switching Harvester to All EV Model?

[SrfnFly227]

I will most likely select BEV when offered the choice even though I reserved the Harvester and that option was one of the huge selling points to me for 2 reasons:

- I do not have gas plumbed to my house and we do lose power a few times a year. A good portion of my neighbors have generators as a result. The Harvester working as a back up for my house was appealing. No cost to have gas run to my house. No huge cost to install a generator. Just have my vehicle do it from the driveway. Sounds awesome.

- I want to have the ability to tow my Wrangler to offroad trails. The closest option for me is 230 miles away and involves a lot of hills. Short stops to top off the gas sounds a lot more appealing than finding a charging station every 100 miles while towing a 16-18 ft trailer and then sitting while it charges.


Ultimately, I think the convenience of the BEV will win me over vs the rare use cases that originally sold me on the Harvester. Our power outages are usually short. I can think of 1, maybe 2, times in 4 and half years of living here that we've lost power for more than 24 hours. I figure the BEV with a full charge can get me through any power outage I'd expect to see. And towing the Jeep is reallistically 2-3 times a year if I'm lucky. Taking some extra time to charge during those trips is an easy trade off to the reduced maintenance needs the rest of the year. I'm hoping that as battery tech continues to improve, towing range will come up or charging time will decrease. Either will make the choice to go BEV pretty easy.

 

[cyure]

I will most likely select BEV when offered the choice even though I reserved the Harvester and that option was one of the huge selling points to me for 2 reasons:

- I do not have gas plumbed to my house and we do lose power a few times a year. A good portion of my neighbors have generators as a result. The Harvester working as a back up for my house was appealing. No cost to have gas run to my house. No huge cost to install a generator. Just have my vehicle do it from the driveway. Sounds awesome.

- I want to have the ability to tow my Wrangler to offroad trails. The closest option for me is 230 miles away and involves a lot of hills. Short stops to top off the gas sounds a lot more appealing than finding a charging station every 100 miles while towing a 16-18 ft trailer and then sitting while it charges.


Ultimately, I think the convenience of the BEV will win me over vs the rare use cases that originally sold me on the Harvester. Our power outages are usually short. I can think of 1, maybe 2, times in 4 and half years of living here that we've lost power for more than 24 hours. I figure the BEV with a full charge can get me through any power outage I'd expect to see. And towing the Jeep is reallistically 2-3 times a year if I'm lucky. Taking some extra time to charge during those trips is an easy trade off to the reduced maintenance needs the rest of the year. I'm hoping that as battery tech continues to improve, towing range will come up or charging time will decrease. Either will make the choice to go BEV pretty easy.

Similar situation except I don’t tow. We go to Chicago 5 or 6 times a year so 200 to 260 miles round trip depending on where exactly we are going. I kept thinking I needed a Harvester for that but it’s truly overkill for what my needs are. I work from home and my Wrangler averages 13 mpg because the majority of my driving is around town. We have done a couple cross country trips but we drive really really long days. Like really long. I’m not interested in that anymore. We need to take longer breaks while we are driving.

 

[socalscout]

I opted for battery only traveler as while it’s fun to go off road, that what my diesel truck is for. I see the traveler as a highly optioned SUV for general use. Not an overlander.

If I need to tow my trailer, diesel truck.

If I want to go hunting and camping with the boys, diesel truck.

If I need to go a long distance, again my diesel truck.

Why? Because my truck holds 130 gallons of diesel and I can go more than 2000 miles without refueling if needed.

Now, I hope scout will use SS batteries and get the range close to 500 max. That would at least get me to my winter home in one charge.

 

[cyure]

I opted for battery only traveler as while it’s fun to go off road, that what my diesel truck is for. I see the traveler as a highly optioned SUV for general use. Not an overlander.

If I need to tow my trailer, diesel truck.

If I want to go hunting and camping with the boys, diesel truck.

If I need to go a long distance, again my diesel truck.

Why? Because my truck holds 130 gallons of diesel and I can go more than 2000 miles without refueling if needed.

Now, I hope scout will use SS batteries and get the range close to 500 max. That would at least get me to my winter home in one charge.

What truck holds 130 gallons???

 

[socalscout]

What truck holds 130 gallons???

Mine.

 

[J Alynn]

Similar situation except I don’t tow. We go to Chicago 5 or 6 times a year so 200 to 260 miles round trip depending on where exactly we are going. I kept thinking I needed a Harvester for that but it’s truly overkill for what my needs are. I work from home and my Wrangler averages 13 mpg because the majority of my driving is around town. We have done a couple cross country trips but we drive really really long days. Like really long. I’m not interested in that anymore. We need to take longer breaks while we are driving.

“Life is in the journey, not the destination”. Have had an inspirational card in my wallet for nearly 20 years that a friend gave to me. Figure it will hold true for EV driving breaks on longer trips-just like other opportunities in my life. To that point-it’s roughly one month from being 3 years since I started the journey on this forum and I’ve loved every minute of it this far. Without this adventure, the new traveler would ultimately just be another SUV-albeit a very cool suv but it would lack the emotional connection.

 

[cyure]

Mine.

“Life is in the journey, not the destination”. Have had an inspirational card in my wallet for nearly 20 years that a friend gave to me. Figure it will hold true for EV driving breaks on longer trips-just like other opportunities in my life. To that point-it’s roughly one month from being 3 years since I started the journey on this forum and I’ve loved every minute of it this far. Without this adventure, the new traveler would ultimately just be another SUV-albeit a very cool suv but it would lack the emotional connection.

3 years!!

 

[Sparetimetoys]

I’m thinking harvester option. Had full EV in my R1S and trips sucked. I prefer quick stops. I like the generator being built in. You can also control your electric cost with this. Depending on your location some charging options are ridiculously expensive. Also reducing charge anxiety on a trip is huge.

 

[cyure]

I’m thinking harvester option. Had full EV in my R1S and trips sucked. I prefer quick stops. I like the generator being built in. You can also control your electric cost with this. Depending on your location some charging options are ridiculously expensive. Also reducing charge anxiety on a trip is huge.

This is why I’m glad they have both. Everyone has their own personal calculation as to what works best for them.

 

[J Alynn]

I’m thinking harvester option. Had full EV in my R1S and trips sucked. I prefer quick stops. I like the generator being built in. You can also control your electric cost with this. Depending on your location some charging options are ridiculously expensive. Also reducing charge anxiety on a trip is huge.

Welcome

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

What truck holds 130 gallons???

I was just thinking to self, that’s got to be close to $600 per tank (depending on where you live). That’s the definition of pay to play. And I like it!

 

[Mousehunter]

I live in a rural ag community. Unless you are really old money, most new ranchers lease what they can find - so they have to move equipment, so making fuel at the barn not all that common anymore. Solution, mobile refueling out of a tank in the bed of their truck - so 150 gallons in a truck is probably fairly common.

 

[cyure]

I live in a rural ag community. Unless you are really old money, most new ranchers lease what they can find - so they have to move equipment, so making fuel at the barn not all that common anymore. Solution, mobile refueling out of a tank in the bed of their truck - so 150 gallons in a truck is probably fairly common.

That makes sense.

 

[socalscout]

I was just thinking to self, that’s got to be close to $600 per tank (depending on where you live). That’s the definition of pay to play. And I like it!

I fill up in AZ where I save about $1.50-$2 per gallon. Last time I filled the tanks was just over $400

We actually hold right about 133 gallons total. 55 main, 40 aux, 7x 20L Jerry cans.

Costco loves and hates me at the same time. Takes 3 swipes of my card to get all the fuel I need for the year.

I’m down to my last 40 gallons of fuel. Will fill up again during Christmas when we visit family.

 

[bwdavis7]

I fill up in AZ where I save about $1.50-$2 per gallon. Last time I filled the tanks was just over $400

We actually hold right about 133 gallons total. 55 main, 40 aux, 7x 20L Jerry cans.

Costco loves and hates me at the same time. Takes 3 swipes of my card to get all the fuel I need for the year.

I’m down to my last 40 gallons of fuel. Will fill up again during Christmas when we visit family.

Can you imagine what the other Costco customers are saying...???

 

[N Wilson]

Can you imagine what the other Costco customers are saying...???
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I'm definitely not going to miss waiting in those lines at the pumps.

One more reason I'm glad I bought the Lightning.

 

[bwdavis7]

After renting an EV once, I realize now that on long trips I would have to plan my stops and that may include a little longer to "fill up" or waiting on a charger to be available. However, now when I have to pull into a gas station around once a week, I am more aware of that cumulative time and inconvenience whereas with an EV, I would be "good to go" from home charging every day. I can't imagine being able to pass a gas station without checking out the fluctuating gas prices on a daily basis. (Those of you with EV's, do you still check posted gas prices?) AND... I've lived through several gas crunch periods which fortunately aren't often, but when they do occur, it's much worse than range anxiety.

Oh yeah, and waiting in line to get gas at Costco, it typically takes as long as it would to charge an EV. And the closest Costco to me is about 50 miles away.

I am ready for change.

 

[Cranky Canuck]

After renting an EV once, I realize now that on long trips I would have to plan my stops and that may include a little longer to "fill up" or waiting on a charger to be available. However, now when I have to pull into a gas station around once a week, I am more aware of that cumulative time and inconvenience whereas with an EV, I would be "good to go" from home charging every day. I can't imagine being able to pass a gas station without checking out the fluctuating gas prices on a daily basis. (Those of you with EV's, do you still check posted gas prices?) AND... I've lived through several gas crunch periods which fortunately aren't often, but when they do occur, it's much worse than range anxiety.

Oh yeah, and waiting in line to get gas at Costco, it typically takes as long as it would to charge an EV. And the closest Costco to me is about 50 miles away.

I am ready for change.

I haven't bought gas since 2017 and don't miss it. To answer your question, no I have no idea what current gas prices are lol

I know that "filling up" my EV at home overnight costs under two bucks and that on road trips it's closer to $15 to fill up but I rarely have to wait for a charger to become available and my car usually finishes charging before I've finished eating or going to the washroom or whatever.

I think a lot of non-EV drivers read stuff and just assume charging stops will take much longer than they actually do. I read a post here saying something like "if we had an EV we'd have to add 40 more minutes to our stop". How do they figure that? They just assumed it would add 40 minutes?

In my experience road tripping with an EV doesn't really take much extra planning at all, it's just different. Sometimes you don't even need to add in a fast charge stop because the destination has level 2 chargers. I think the main difference that people misunderstand or don't fully appreciate is that with a gas car you have to fill up AND THEN do other stuff - actions are done in serial. But with an EV you can charge it WHILE doing other stuff - actions are done in parallel. Once you understand that you realize that your stops don't take much if any extra time at all!

 

[socalscout]

Can you imagine what the other Costco customers are saying...???
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I don’t have to imagine. I’ve heard it all with my CA plates and taking forever to fill up. Zoners have no love for anyone outside of zoniland

 

[LastDayScout]

Can you imagine what the other Costco customers are saying...???
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They are already a violent and fully indoctrinated crowd, that Costco tribe.